[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Hello

You're not a goth are you?

I've glanced through your introduction and noticed you mentioned hate 14 times (including 1 haters and 1 hated).

Who is hated by God? How do you identify such people? What is your response to them?

You mentioned Genesis and Revelation. Psalms is also a lovely collection of praise and medidation. Do you have a favourite psalm?

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Sir Elmer White, as a True Christian, always sets his words so beautifully and clear, just like Apostle Paul did, as we can read from the Epistle to the Romans

Proverbs 16:24

I personally, a Seeker as You, want to invite You with me to read the bible!
We are still babies Hebrews 5:13

So, come with me to the forum where the WORD is teached. It can be found HERE!!!

Blessings!!!

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

How nice that we're communicating now.

What I suggest you is to start studying. Read the wealth of threads on this Godly Forum based on the issues we discussed: what it would mean to embrace the greatness of GOD totally and entirely.

There are a lot of threads and they testify of the same thing: God is much more than false Christian niceties and pleasanteries. The fear of God may be tremendous (Ezekiel 22:22) and scare people off but it is not up to us to decide what God is all about. He Himself has revealed his totality to us. In the KJV.

Many of the threads have received lots of opposition but - if you read them through - you'll see that they reveal God is his tremendous unchanged righteousness. He is not a cotton candy God. He kicks ass! (Sorry Ladies but see Exodus 19:18!!)

When we take the Bible as His unchanged and total Word we get this Entity that is beyond our imagination in His GOODNESS that is harsher and more consuming than mere human love (Psalms 12:6). It is not there to feel nice. It is there for OUR SALVATION (Daniel 3:17, Revelation 9:2).

Read, study, contemplate, learn, and perhaps gradually add your own comments. Together with the other True Christians™ I might meet you on your way. Farewell for now.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[I Love You]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

I am a bit sad but not offended by the fact that you did not actually check who you were
answering when using the quote in parentheses (also out of context as the True
Christian™ Brother was comparing your initial agenda to your output)
above. We sometimes tend to be hasty
and rush our answers. Still, I think you would benefit if you
targeted your replies to the person who discussed that specific point (of
wordiness) with you. My own interest was, however, to discuss the dichotomy of
love vs. fear that is very visible and strongly PRESENT in the KJV but
neglected by the present false Christian rejection of the Bible.

My mistake, I apologize. Feeling flustered even for a moment can bring one to mistakes /:

An issue with fear is it can have adverse affects than what was intended. Fear keeps people away from here just as it keeps people in. It can promote both action and freezing. I initially didn't want to join because of my fear of being discriminated and attacked.

As I now feel invited to comment on the length of your posts I must agree with
my True Christian™ Brother Alex that you would perhaps get your point through
more easily if you divided your posts into a few, more easily approachable
portions.

You are right about that. It all flowed outwards in one big post. I highlighted the topics in blue to help people who didn't want to read the whole thing, which didn't seem to work very well.

Of course, you are free to do as you please. Of course, this may also
cause antagonism. It might not be "nice" or "friendly" but - just consider also
this possibility - it might be necessary.

If I do as I please I will probably be banned. This isn't a place of free speech. Which is understandable since this is meant to be a praising forum for the most part.

Personally, I'm still willing to give you assistance regarding the ENTITY
that is the BIBLE, the COMPLETE
Book communicated by our LORD.

That would be great!

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Elmer, I appreciate your reply. However, I do not appreciate "your long, boring, pointless posts."
Firstly, because they have a point. Second, it's a matter of opinion.
I will respect your words and your points if you will respect mine. We don't have to completely agree on everything to respect each other.

My Dear,

I am a bit sad but not offended by the fact that you did not actually check who you were answering when using the quote in parentheses (also out of context as the True Christian™ Brother was comparing your initial agenda to your output) above. We sometimes tend to be hasty and rush our answers. Still, I think you would benefit if you targeted your replies to the person who discussed that specific point (of wordiness) with you. My own interest was, however, to discuss the dichotomy of love vs. fear that is very visible and strongly PRESENT in the KJV but neglected by the present false Christian rejection of the Bible.

In addition, this mishap of confusing persons may have spiritual consequences:

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

As I now feel invited to comment on the length of your posts I must agree with my True Christian™ Brother Alex that you would perhaps get your point through more easily if you divided your posts into a few, more easily approachable portions. Of course, you are free to do as you please. Of course, this may also cause antagonism. It might not be "nice" or "friendly" but - just consider also this possibility - it might be necessary.

Personally, I'm still willing to give you assistance regarding the ENTITY that is the BIBLE, the COMPLETE Book communicated by our LORD.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[I Love You]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Elmer,

I appreciate your reply. However, I do not appreciate "your long, boring, pointless posts."
Firstly, because they have a point. Second, it's a matter of opinion.
I will respect your words and your points if you will respect mine. We don't have to completely agree on everything to respect each other.

All you want to do is argue. You are not here to praise Jesus, but to try to
make a point. Your first post all about how open-minded you are and you have
known people from all parts of the spectrum, etc. etc. is designed to give
yourself some credibility as an intelligent and intellectual person, full of
curiosity, etc. But you are just a closed-minded idiot with a point to
make.

It is not all I want to do, I came here for two reasons. For others to hear my thoughts and to hear others' thoughts. I can handle hearing differing opinions and beliefs because I AM curious and I DO want to learn.
I love and respect Jesus, but I am here to learn. I have not chosen to put the practices in motion right now because I want to understand the thinking behind it. I also have a desire for others to understand how other ways of thinking work, not just condemn it. I don't want anyone to take up my current beliefs and understandings and just roll with them, don't misunderstand. I am not here to convert. Having an "argument" lets me see the difference in thoughts/beliefs and why they are different. It is a way to see your support for your beliefs. It too, is a way of learning and understanding your ways.

Is it not nature to argue or have a debate if beliefs are currently a little different? It doesn't have to be a bad thing. People here argue, defending their True Christian beliefs if another presents another idea. It's perfectly natural. It is happening in both directions.

I apologize for crossing any lines.

But they are not
enough.

Your post here helped shine some more light. Like a child we must take what is directed and go with it, perfectly.
I understand the ways of thinking here a little more.
A parent uses "tough love" to keep their children in line. Makes sense.

I think we all have our God-given purposes, even if we don't act on them. Personally, I dominantly use love to bring people back in from the dark, the evil. Others can do the disciplining, but I work to bring them back in. After all, they are drawn into what "feels good."

Thank you for your thoughts.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

I don't say it just to be nice
Loving God is a primary.
Are you worried you will encounter God's anger or are you giving it as a warning not to.
The Revelation one is uplifting.
Being earnest leads you where you need to be.

I wish to elaborate on my initial post to you.

I cited Matthew 22:37. Here we almost agree. It is vital to love God, to love without any doubts, wholeheartedly, as much as one can albeit only a little compared to our LORD.

I also cited Deuteronomy 6:13-17. This is to remind us that love is not all there is to the relatioship between man and GOD. The current liberal "interpretation" of Scripture emphasizes all thing bright and beautiful. On being "nice", on comfort, joy, happiness, forgiveness, etc. Certainly, they are important issues (John 3:16; such a wonderful verse and such comfort, and all the more powerful when one accepts the whole Bible as Truth™).

But they are not enough.

God should also be FEARED. What we conceive as "good" is only a skewed, vain, human opinion of the actual GOOD as God might perceive it. It is not about "feeling good" or being "nice". God is also jealous (Exodus 20:5), retaliating (Jeremiah 15:15) and one that judges (Genesis 15:14)!

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Thus: God does things that are GOOD and "nice" but also things that are still GOOD but "uncomfortable" and "violent" from the human viewpoint.

What I wish to express is that you have to choose God totally and His Word without exception unless you wish to end up in all kinds of murky and twisted muddy slimy waters. If you start making emphasis only on love, you discard much of the Bible, while God himself tells us that IT IS ALL VALID, NOW AND FOREVER (2 Timothy 3:16, James 1:17, Malachi 3:6). God does not change, His Word does not change, His commands do not change according to whimsical humans beings. At present, liberals dismiss the other side of God for reasons of marketing their product to the false Christian public. Due to all this, True Christians™ have become a minority and a target for ridicule (Matthew 5:10-11).

Are you prepared to embrace ALL OF GOD ALMIGHTY?

That is what this Forum is all about. No excuses, no bias towards the niceties. The God that appears from this is a loving God but also frightening, powerful, dazzling, incomprehensible. He asks us to accept all He has given us as GOOD and ACTUAL.

Looking forward to helping you on your path,

Elmer

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

I am having a real hard time reconciling this:

I do not come to flame you.
I do not come in attempt to convert you, for I have nothing to convert you to.

and your long, boring, pointless posts. All you want to do is argue. You are not here to praise Jesus, but to try to make a point. Your first post all about how open-minded you are and you have known people from all parts of the spectrum, etc. etc. is designed to give yourself some credibility as an intelligent and intellectual person, full of curiosity, etc. But you are just a closed-minded idiot with a point to make.

You are absolutely here to flame and absolutely here to convert, so stop trying to pretend you are not.

You are a sinner. You have not given your life to Jesus. You are going to Hell unless you stop. This is the only truth you need to know, and your long-winded and diatribes dressed up like thoughtful essays are wastes of your time and ours.

[I Love You]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

How do you propose we learn from you when you haven't read the entire Word of
God, and those small portions you read, you did so from a Catholic
framework?

One can learn things that do not directly stem from the Word of God. Now whether you consider these things useful, that is another discussion.
Yea it was of Catholic framework. I will agree it was read with a different mindset.

understand, I hope, that we must watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing

I understand

Again, where you're coming from, as far as we can see from what you've
provided, is a place of ignorance about the Word of God. I don't say "ignorance"
as an insult

It is not being taken as an insult.

Surely you didn't think we would sit up and pay attention just because you
felt sincere and earnest in delivering your message?

Not really, it was a mild hope at least someone would.

To you, dear child, I would remind you to think back of the last time you had a
very heavy menstrual flow....

Your whole analogy is well organized, with even Scripture supporting your visual metaphor. I admire that.

With a soul like that, do you think the LORD looks to the physical body? What
difference does that make?

Furthering my question, why does our body matter when we are interacting, then?
Ah, I guess it would after you have been Born Again, living in your Scriptured roles.

You are not my sibling as you and I do not have the same parent. I am an adopted
child of God (Romans 8:14). I am a Daughter of the King (2 Corinthians 6:18).

You say you are adopted, and because of this we do not have the same parent. I'm pretty sure Satan didn't create our souls. If you were adopted by God, who created you?
Do you mean we were created by God then left to our own devices with His guidance to become a true child of God? Hence the term, "adopted"?
If this is so, whether or not He adopts you, He still created both of us didn't He? Wouldn't that make Him both of our parents? Wouldn't that make us siblings?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

We will learn from each other.
I love Jesus quite a bit already, but more love the merrier!
Bible studies happened scarcely in Catholicism aside from the pastor reading verses everyday in the church. Any bit of it was really my own doing. I've read through Genesis twice and the Revelations once, with bits and pieces throughout the Bible.
One issue I experience while reading the Bible is I tend to naturally search for the deeper meaning of what is said. I don't think you'd like my interpretations I've accumulated.

How do you propose we learn from you when you haven't read the entire Word of God, and those small portions you read, you did so from a Catholic framework? Having been delivered from the bondage of the papist cult myself, I know just how sneakily they hide their own agenda into the text. You understand, I hope, that we must watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'd like to show you where I am coming from, plus a message at the end. Reading articles on this site, what I could do is clear. Like serving a husband, giving birth etc. It seems like common knowledge here. Why bore you by talking about these?

Again, where you're coming from, as far as we can see from what you've provided, is a place of ignorance about the Word of God. I don't say "ignorance" as an insult. I'm not on the schoolyard calling you names. I'm using the word as it is defined. You are simply ignorant of what the Word of God says, and so you naturally come from a position of not knowing what the Word of God says. You come from a position of ignorance. Surely you didn't think we would sit up and pay attention just because you felt sincere and earnest in delivering your message?

God created each of our divine, beautiful souls. We were put into bodies. Is it true our bodies define our souls? Does our soul define our body?
Does our body represent what's inside, or is it just a sacred means to connect with each other on a physical level, gender aside?
Should we not serve each other, after all we are all siblings, together enjoying each others' beauty within regardless?
Thank you for the kind welcoming.

When I have such dreamy questions as this, I look to what the LORD says. I refer to the Holy Bible. The Bible tells us that as sinners, we are disgusting to the Good Lord's eyes. We are, in fact, compared to menstrual rags. I want to take a moment here to let the True Christian™ men know they can simply skip over this next part of my post, as it refers to things of a woman's nature in a most unflattering way. Because True Christian™ men are exempt from this state, as the Blood of Christ ironically washes away the blood-like fester of sin, they need not read what they need not attend.

To you, dear child, I would remind you to think back of the last time you had a very heavy menstrual flow. Recall the mess it made and the natural odor of the blood. Imagine now being a woman back in the days when the Holy Word of God was written. In these days, women didn't have tools of the disposable kind to take care of their monthly needs, they simply piled up the rags until they were soaked through, then washed them, dried them, and reused them. Now imagine that mess and natural odor festering in the Arabian desert sun for days, weeks, months. Imagine the flies that would be drawn to it, the stench coming from a pile whose cleaning had been neglected. Imagine the disgusting, repulsive nature of this pile of festering, fetid pile of rags. This, dear, is how the LORD sees you (Isaiah 64:6). This is the nature and essence of your soul until you have been Saved, Born Again (John 3:7), created anew (2 Corinthians 5:17). With a soul like that, do you think the LORD looks to the physical body? What difference does that make?

Once a person has confessed his sins and accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Master (Romans 10:9), the filthy rags are washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb and come out miraculously white (Isaiah 1:18). Those who have truly accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Master are no longer a creation born from physical, sinful seed, but of spiritual, perfect seed (1 Peter 1:23). Our bodies are temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19). Why, you could say we are virtual Jesuses walking around. Because Jesus is perfect (Hebrews 10:14), True Christians are Perfect. You misspeak when you say we are siblings. As far as I can tell, and the Holy Spirit will confirm with the Pastor in His Own Good Time, you are still a body with a soul that is naught but a fester pile of fly-ridden menstrual blood and body fluids. You are not my sibling as you and I do not have the same parent. I am an adopted child of God (Romans 8:14). I am a Daughter of the King (2 Corinthians 6:18). You are a pile of stench. I say this in truth and love dear (Ephesians 4:15), so you can look into your heart and find Jesus knocking, waiting to be let in.

[I Love You]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Indeed you have at great length, young lady. A cautious welcome.
I think you do indeed have a rare and unique opportunity to learn a great many
things from us.
Hopefully, we can make you love Jesus as much as we do.


Tell me. How well studied are you in the Bible? I think that should be
your first step to Salvation. Read Genesis first. It will take you a few hours.


I want you to have a really open mind here. I want you to read it like
you're reading it for the first time ever. No parochial school cute cutouts. No
nuns standing behind you. Just you and your testament. Make notes with your
impressions and ideas.

We will learn from each other.
I love Jesus quite a bit already, but more love the merrier!
Bible studies happened scarcely in Catholicism aside from the pastor reading verses everyday in the church. Any bit of it was really my own doing. I've read through Genesis twice and the Revelations once, with bits and pieces throughout the Bible.
One issue I experience while reading the Bible is I tend to naturally search for the deeper meaning of what is said. I don't think you'd like my interpretations I've accumulated.]

It is awfully nice that you say you love us. Nice, but secondary. There are more
critical issues to consider as follows:

Matthew 22:37.
Deuteronomy
6:13-17.

Those are among the issues we can help you with. Other good
verses to consider are Genesis 1:1-Revelation 22:21.

Looking forward to
discussing all this with you! You seem to be serious and ernest in your search
for Jesus.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I don't say it just to be nice
Loving God is a primary.
Are you worried you will encounter God's anger or are you giving it as a warning not to.
The Revelation one is uplifting.
Being earnest leads you where you need to be.

To everyone complaining about the length, so what. Move on if it bothers you. There is a lot in there, only read parts of it if you desire. I labeled the head of topics blue in case anyone is scanning over it and sees something they might have interest in reading.

Your introductory post contained an awful lot of "I" and "me" statements. Why
don't you talk less about yourself and more about what you might be able to do
for the Lord?

I'd like to show you where I am coming from, plus a message at the end. Reading articles on this site, what I could do is clear. Like serving a husband, giving birth etc. It seems like common knowledge here. Why bore you by talking about these?

What a thorough introduction you've provided. I join the brothers and sisters in
welcoming you to the friendliest forums on the World Wide Web. I also cautiously
offer my assistance with your journey to a deeper understanding of our glorious
Savior. Having been through my own journey quite recently, let me tell you there
are many pitfalls that satan places in our way. We can rejoice, however, in
knowing that He is always there to guide us.

Thank you for the welcome and your offer.
Yes, he is always there to guide, even when one's life appears barren.

Sister Michelle, I urge you to remain meek and prayerful. Not only is this our
place as women, but our Heavenly Father insists on our compliance, our humility,
and our subservience not only to Him (Bless His Name), but also to others -
particularly men, since He formed us to be in their service, just as we are to
the Father of Fathers, our blessed Creator. Truly you shall be in my prayers.

I appreciate your words.
An issue I have with this, I'd like your thoughts.
God created each of our divine, beautiful souls. We were put into bodies. Is it true our bodies define our souls? Does our soul define our body?
Does our body represent what's inside, or is it just a sacred means to connect with each other on a physical level, gender aside?
Should we not serve each other, after all we are all siblings, together enjoying each others' beauty within regardless?
Thank you for the kind welcoming.

Everyone's opinions will be respected.

[Naomi Ruth Lamb]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Greetings, Michelle:

What a thorough introduction you've provided. I join the brothers and sisters in welcoming you to the friendliest forums on the World Wide Web. I also cautiously offer my assistance with your journey to a deeper understanding of our glorious Savior. Having been through my own journey quite recently, let me tell you there are many pitfalls that satan places in our way. We can rejoice, however, in knowing that He is always there to guide us.

Psalms 48:14 For this God is our God for euer, and euer; he will be our guide euen vnto death.

Sister Michelle, I urge you to remain meek and prayerful. Not only is this our place as women, but our Heavenly Father insists on our compliance, our humility, and our subservience not only to Him (Bless His Name), but also to others - particularly men, since He formed us to be in their service, just as we are to the Father of Fathers, our blessed Creator. Truly you shall be in my prayers. I leave you with this encouragement from the Word of God:

Isaiah 58:11 And the Lord shal guide thee continually, and satisfie thy soule in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters faile not.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Dear Young Lady (Sorry, I can't bring myself to address you as "I Love You"),

Your introductory post contained an awful lot of "I" and "me" statements. Why don't you talk less about yourself and more about what you might be able to do for the Lord?

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Whether it's the longest or the most burdensome to read, it reminds me of French existentialism - what's the point, there is none.

In the end it reminds me of a tedious and tiresome PBS tie a rat cage to my face pledge week featuring a some unknown feckless author interested in selling some self-published books - like Dr. Leo Buscaglia.

I didn't get very far with it - gave up at the point where she started to channel that old Canadian hippie Joni Mitchell. Do you think it's some sort of freshman creative writing exercise?

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Hello, some thoughts to you Dear Ones

Is there a record for the longest introduction post?

Whether it's the longest or the most burdensome to read, it reminds me of French existentialism - what's the point, there is none.

In the end it reminds me of a tedious and tiresome PBS tie a rat cage to my face pledge week featuring a some unknown feckless author interested in selling some self-published books - like Dr. Leo Buscaglia.