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I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not.

In fact, the Bible more often preaches on perfection and holiness than the idea that we are all worthless sinners.
Psalm 119:1-4 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.


Here God tells Abraham that perfection is achievable.

Genesis 17:1 I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

I can hear some panties getting into a twist over these scriptures. Perhaps you think, that's Old Testament. The Bible says, "for all have sinned." That was prior to our Salvation. I would like to draw your attention to:

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

How could we not be perfect if Jesus himself admonishes us to be perfect?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In the Book of Luke, Jesus tells us that in becoming perfect, we are like God.

Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.


In many of the Epistles, the authors tell us that we are perfect and can be unblameable in holiness, free from sin and a new creation as our Master Who is in Heaven wants us to be.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ephesians 4:22-24, 26
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Romans 6:20-23 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

And most importantly,

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And here is another

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn good knowing I am PERFECT without sin or blemish. I can't wait until we sit on the right hand of God himself and judge the world come rapture time, my perfect brothers and sisters.

No one was perfect except Jesus!

Wrong! I wanted to add a list of a few perfect people in the Bible besides Jesus for those you who don't believe there was anyone else who was ever perfect.

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

God speaking to Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

David speaking to God.

Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.

And

2 Samuel 22:22-24 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.
I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.

Perhaps you don't think the New Testament word rendered as perfect actually means perfect.

Maybe you think it means mature? Then this section is for you. Perfect in the New Testament is τέλειος teleios. Some say this means mature. Some modern translations even render it as such in some parts of the Bible. But then when it comes to these verses, teleios suddenly means perfect again.

Romans 12:2.
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
perfect will of God.

Does that mean God's will is "mature?" Of course not. It's the same Greek word teleios.

See Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Again, it's the same Greek word telios. I seriously doubt you would call Jesus a mature tabernacle, would you?
Could it be that the translators of the newer translations are pressured into accepting Calvinist doctrine on total depravity?
I'll let you be the judge.

Also see: http://apologeticsministries.com/201...s-are-perfect/
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Amen, Brother! False Christians constantly come here and quote John 8:7 to us, thinking that they are making some sort of profound point.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


In this verse, Jesus is speaking to unsaved trash who have not accepted Him as their LORD and Savior. At that time, He had not yet died (temporarily) on the Cross, so it was not possible for any to be washed in His Blood at that period in history.

Today, we True Christians™ who worship Him and glorify Him by following - unquestioningly - every letter of His Word as given in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) are without sin, as the Scripture you gave above illustrates!

Therefore, if anyone is to "cast the first stone" and judge in righteous judgment, it is us - the perfect children of God. Praise!
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I would also like to add to this excellent piece of witnessing the fact that, as perfect people, our judgment is infallible, and that we can't possibly be wrong about anything whatsoever.

Let's take a look at the Second Epistle to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 2:10-11:
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

We have received the Holy Spirit, which searches all things, even the deep things of God. In other words, we know what we're saying!

1 Corinthians 2:12-13:
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

As we are spiritual, our level of understanding is at a fundamentally higher level than that of the unsaved. We are able to compare spiritual things.

1 Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If anyone disagrees with us, that is just a result of that person being spiritually discerned, as he cannot understand the things which are of God.

1 Corinthians 2:15:
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

As spiritual people, God has granted us the right to judge the unsaved.

1 Corinthians 2:16:
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

And this is the most important one: We have the Mind of Christ. So, if anyone disagrees with us, this automatically means he disagrees with Christ. As people with the Mind of Christ, we are right about everything by definition!
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I'll take you on right here. However, I'll do it in a respectful way, without throwing insult or trying to cause disrespect. I expect the same, if you really are Christians.

If you've ever sinned, raise your hand. If anyone is not raising their hand, you have just lied, and lying would be a sin, therefore proving my point. It is nearly impossible to never have sinned.

Here's one for the record. Jesus said that anyone who was mad at his brother had already committed murder. Let me simplify this: If you've ever been aggressively angry or murderous to anyone; gays, muslims, mormons, whatever, you've sinned. It is impossible for someone to never sin.

To say that you are "without sin" makes you equal with God. That is blasphemy. There is not one person on this Earth who has ever sinned, and there is not one person that Jesus doesn't want to save. Remember the verse John 8:7? The verses after that state that the people began to leave, the older ones first (the wisest of the people), until all were gone. Keep in mind these are the people that studied the scriptures (The Bible) intently, and kept it down to the letter. I hope this sounds painfully familiar.

As for your actual beliefs, you can't possibly keep the scripture down to the letter, because there would be a great deal less people in the United States. Here's a question for you; if God said not to murder, why did He have the Israelites kill hundreds of thousands of people? And don't simply say that "He wanted to". That won't suffice, because the answer is a fall-back, and isn't actually a retort.

I came across a disturbing thread while I was reading on this site. It stated that you people believe that if a woman is raped, that she MUST marry her rapist. This is one of your many examples of things in the Bible that were written for a certain time, and apply to a certain time. Another example is that women must remain silent in the churches. Why, I'll explain that next.

Back in the time when the law "a rapist must marry his victim", women were almost exclusively valued based on their virginity. All of the virgins back then would have been unmarried, so the rape of one would be the rape of the unmarried. In this time, if a woman was a non-virgin and unmarried, her life would be ruined, as no man would marry a woman who was not a virgin, and women did not work in that time. By having a rapist marry his victim, it would ensure that the victim was taken care of in life, although it is unfortunate.

Before you spout at me, consider this; Imagine I, or even worse, a Muslim raped your daughter. Unless you are hypocrites, you would then force your daughter to marry her rapist, correct? Think about this for a moment. What would become of your daughter? Most likely she would become abused, depressed, and would drift from God. This would be an absolutely horrible thing, and it implies that if I want to marry a women, I simply have to rape her, because apparently 'it isn't the rapist's fault, the woman shouldn't have presented herself like that'. Say you wouldn't let her? That would be a double standard, meaning that you would be hypocritical.

As for the women remaining silent in the churches, again we must think as to the setting. Back in the days of Paul, women were often uneducated and weren't trained for intelligent discussion. Also, the churches were divided up with men on one half, and women on the other. Paul wrote this because women were speaking up in the middle of service (which were crudely organized) and spouting the first thing that woman had on her mind. This disrupted others and caused chaos. Likewise 'they should ask there own husbands at home', was dated because since the churches were divided up male/female, the uneducated women would rush over to their husband's every time they had a question that they wanted answered, thus creating more confusion.

I think the biggest issue lies in the question of 'why' to each one of God's commands. He gives them to us for a reason, not just because he felt like it. He wants us to live in harmony with each other, and these laws simply help out. Many of the laws in Leviticus actually were scientifically proven to have been healthier in that time period. If we ask "Why should we not murder" we will find an answer that is somewhat like; because what makes you above your fellow man that God loves?

Note: Although I may have pointed a few things out, I didn't call names, make slurs or preform any ad hominem attacks. I expect the same, as it says in the scripture.

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If you've ever sinned, raise your hand. If anyone is not raising their hand, you have just lied, and lying would be a sin, therefore proving my point. It is nearly impossible to never have sinned.
While this is true I am also free of sin:
  • 1st John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
  • Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood"
  • 1st John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
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Let me simplify this: If you've ever been aggressively angry or murderous to anyone; gays, muslims, mormons, whatever, you've sinned.
You are mistaken. God actually commands us to kill unbelievers, including women and children: 2nd Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

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As for your actual beliefs, you can't possibly keep the scripture down to the letter
Of course you can, I do it all the time.

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I came across a disturbing thread while I was reading on this site. It stated that you people believe that if a woman is raped, that she MUST marry her rapist. This is one of your many examples of things in the Bible that were written for a certain time, and apply to a certain time.
Nonsense, if that would be true, the Bible would have mentioned that. You are just looking for excuses to ignore the parts of the Holy Bible that you don't like. That is not how it works!

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You don't seem to get Deuteronomy 22:28-29 at all. Forcing the rapist to marry his victim is punishment for the rapist!
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Yes, I would say that he cleansed us, but it is possible to dirty our hands again. I know that having blood on my hands would sure dirty my conscience.

As for killing people, as you stated, having people with different beliefs among God's people could convince them to turn away from the truth and embrace something else. I believe (although there is absolutely nothing to back this) that if they had not been killed, there would have been nowhere these other Israelites could go that they would be accepted, and it is possible that they might eventually be accepted back to poison the minds of people.

As with the matter of the rapist, I don't really see how it would be a punishment. It means that they would get the woman that they raped (who they probably attacked for physical reasons, or feelings of domination) placed into a position of submission to them so various 'married' activities become commonplace.

Perhaps this is simply another way at looking at a half-full glass, but please explain this more to me.
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I'll take you on right here. However, I'll do it in a respectful way, without throwing insult or trying to cause disrespect. I expect the same, if you really are Christians.

If you've ever sinned, raise your hand. If anyone is not raising their hand, you have just lied, and lying would be a sin, therefore proving my point. It is nearly impossible to never have sinned.
There is a difference between having sinned and sinning now. Verbs have perfect and imperfect aspects for a reason. Once we are born again, we no longer sin:

1 John 5:18: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

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Here's one for the record. Jesus said that anyone who was mad at his brother had already committed murder. Let me simplify this: If you've ever been aggressively angry or murderous to anyone; gays, muslims, mormons, whatever, you've sinned. It is impossible for someone to never sin.
We're not aggressively angry. We simply judge righteous judgment, as God commands:

John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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To say that you are "without sin" makes you equal with God.
No, it doesn't. It just means that we rely on the Lord's promise in 1 John.

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That is blasphemy.
It's blasphemy to believe what God tells us?

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As for your actual beliefs, you can't possibly keep the scripture down to the letter, because there would be a great deal less people in the United States.
Then why did God give it to us?

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Here's a question for you; if God said not to murder, why did He have the Israelites kill hundreds of thousands of people? And don't simply say that "He wanted to". That won't suffice, because the answer is a fall-back, and isn't actually a retort.
It's not murder when God commands it. What do you think "murder" is?

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I came across a disturbing thread while I was reading on this site. It stated that you people believe that if a woman is raped, that she MUST marry her rapist. This is one of your many examples of things in the Bible that were written for a certain time, and apply to a certain time.
Care to back that up with Scripture? Certain laws were fulfilled by Jesus, like animal sacrifice, but otherwise, He said this:

Matt. 5:17-18: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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As for the women remaining silent in the churches, again we must think as to the setting. Back in the days of Paul, women were often uneducated and weren't trained for intelligent discussion. Also, the churches were divided up with men on one half, and women on the other. Paul wrote this because women were speaking up in the middle of service (which were crudely organized) and spouting the first thing that woman had on her mind. This disrupted others and caused chaos. Likewise 'they should ask there own husbands at home', was dated because since the churches were divided up male/female, the uneducated women would rush over to their husband's every time they had a question that they wanted answered, thus creating more confusion.
You're contradicting Scripture:

1 Tim. 2:12-15: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

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I think the biggest issue lies in the question of 'why' to each one of God's commands. He gives them to us for a reason, not just because he felt like it. He wants us to live in harmony with each other, and these laws simply help out. Many of the laws in Leviticus actually were scientifically proven to have been healthier in that time period. If we ask "Why should we not murder" we will find an answer that is somewhat like; because what makes you above your fellow man that God loves?
You're doing the opposite of what Scripture commands:

Proverbs 3:5-6: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

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Note: Although I may have pointed a few things out, I didn't call names, make slurs or preform any ad hominem attacks. I expect the same, as it says in the scripture.
Please provide a citation.
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As with the matter of the rapist, I don't really see how it would be a punishment.
Why not? The rapist clearly had no intentions of marrying otherwise he would not have raped. And he is never allowed to divorce her, ever.

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Rather than 'Christian's cannot sin' I believe that 'Christians should not sin'. My reasoning? I can still physically contradict any of the ten commandments. That would be sin, correct?

As for John 7:24, what ARE you judging by? If you see a woman in black walking down the street late at night, or perhaps someone walking out of a Mormon temple, what is the first thing that you think? (more on this is you quote this)

To say that 'in the blood of Christ I am cleansed', then I agree. However saying simply 'I have no sin' comes across in a manner that it appears that we don't need Christ to save us. The latter would be false, and would be denying the divinity of God.

As for the ten commandments, and other laws, I heard something that made sense and seemed to run with scripture; the law was given to show man how sinful he was, and how much he needed a saviour, because whether or not we knew we sinned, we were swimming in sin 'for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God'. I totally agree that we should keep it, as it defined sin, but I don't think that it should be limited there. If that makes sense

Murder is usually defined as the taking of innocent life (innocent in the case of non-combat, as you would be hard-pressed to find 'innocent' people in those times). However, now that we can save those people whose blood we 'wish' to spill, it really does become murder.

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To say that 'in the blood of Christ I am cleansed', then I agree. However saying simply 'I have no sin' comes across in a manner that it appears that we don't need Christ to save us. The latter would be false, and would be denying the divinity of God.
Thank you for that straw man. The point we've been trying to make, and the one that Scripture backs, is that we do not sin precisely because of God's saving power.

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Murder is usually defined as the taking of innocent life (innocent in the case of non-combat, as you would be hard-pressed to find 'innocent' people in those times).
Where did you get that from? According to Black's Law Dictionary, murder is the "unlawful killing of a human being by another with malice aforethought, either express or implied." The word "unlawful" is rather important in discussing whether it's murder to obey God's command.
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Aye. Perhaps a direct approach is too confrontational.

Here's a more conversational approach. I think that you guys are actual Christians, only that you're a bit legalistic on your views. Hey, I'm okay with that, it's just that I think that you're complicating God's grace. (I can already feel the counter-arguments...) Jesus' opponents were almost always the Pharisees, who wanted to make sure that the law was followed to the letter and so overlooked many of Jesus' miracles.

The old testament contains many truths, but I believe that the core bits of our (yes, you and me) theology should come from the new testament, as it is what deals with us specifically. Yes I know that Jesus came to fulfill the law, as Paul says, "I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law". However, if we just point fingers at people and follow the Bible to the letter, we may find ourselves overlooking the true miracle of God.

The Bible is just a book. Granted, it's the book of God inspired and God-breathed, but if we really want to get somewhere, we can look at the book for information, or we can go to the source. "If anyone lacks wisdom, let him go to God who is the source of wisdom."

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Aye. Perhaps a direct approach is too confrontational.

Here's a more conversational approach. I think that you guys are actual Christians, only that you're a bit legalistic on your views.
That's the nicest insult I have had all month.

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Hey, I'm okay with that, it's just that I think that you're complicating God's grace. (I can already feel the counter-arguments...) Jesus' opponents were almost always the Pharisees, who wanted to make sure that the law was followed to the letter and so overlooked many of Jesus' miracles.
The Pharisees only believed in Gen, Ex., Lev. and Deut. They were only concerned with the Law. I think you will find we are much more diverse in our readings. We accept the entire Old Testament and the New Testament.

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The old testament contains many truths, but I believe that the core bits of our (yes, you and me) theology should come from the new testament,
Most of the New Testament comes from the Old.

Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Where did Jesus get those sayings from?

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:17-18 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What did Jesus say when Satan tried to tempt Him?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where did Jesus get that from?

Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

So tell me where Jesus came to abolish the law?

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"I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law"
As lain out in Matthew 5? Perhaps you have read it.

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I may simply be considered 'the straw man' on this forum, but the one who made me calls me his friend.
Pastor Isaac was not calling you a name. He was identifying the logical fallacy you employed. If anyone is being persecuted here, it is us.

To address a few points from your previous posts:

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Remember the verse John 8:7? The verses after that state that the people began to leave, the older ones first (the wisest of the people), until all were gone. Keep in mind these are the people that studied the scriptures (The Bible) intently, and kept it down to the letter.
I remember John 8:7 very well and in context. In fact, I mentioned the misinterpretation of this verse in this very thread several months ago.

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So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

The Pharisees to whom Jesus spoke were born in sin just as we all are (e.g., Psalm 51:5). The difference between the Pharisees and True Christians™, though, is that True Christians™ have been washed in the Blood of Jesus while the Pharisees had not. You can study all the Scripture you want, but unless one has accepted Jesus Christ as his personal LORD and Savior and has been baptized in His Name, there is no way one can have his or her sins washed away. It is only through the Blood of Christ that we are made perfect.

Further, Jesus here illustrates His Grace. Instead of condemning the harlot, he exhorts her to live as a True Christian™ and commit no more sin. It's not just a matter of having our sins washed away; as True Christians™, we are incapable of sin!

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Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

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For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth


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I think the biggest issue lies in the question of 'why' to each one of God's commands. He gives them to us for a reason, not just because he felt like it. He wants us to live in harmony with each other, and these laws simply help out.
Can you support this argument with Scripture, or is this an expression of how you feel about God's Word?

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Yes, I would say that he cleansed us, but it is possible to dirty our hands again.
Again, can you support this with Scripture, or is this a non-Biblical personal opinion? The following verses contradict your assertion that Salvation™ can be impermanent.

John 10:28-29
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jude 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


If, in your heart, you still feel as though you are susceptible to temptation, then you have some very serious questions to ask yourself about your supposed salvation. As True Christians™, we know in our hearts that once we are Saved®, we are always Saved®. There are many false churches out there that teach false doctrine and lead people who are not Saved® to believe they are. Jesus warned us about these.

Matthew 7:13-15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.


If, as I suspect, you have fallen prey to one of these ravening wolves, then I am gladdened that the LORD has brought you here, that you may discover True Doctrine™.
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Aye. Perhaps a direct approach is too confrontational.

Here's a more conversational approach. I think that you guys are actual Christians, only that you're a bit legalistic on your views. Hey, I'm okay with that, it's just that I think that you're complicating God's grace. (I can already feel the counter-arguments...) Jesus' opponents were almost always the Pharisees, who wanted to make sure that the law was followed to the letter and so overlooked many of Jesus' miracles.

The old testament contains many truths, but I believe that the core bits of our (yes, you and me) theology should come from the new testament, as it is what deals with us specifically. Yes I know that Jesus came to fulfill the law, as Paul says, "I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law". However, if we just point fingers at people and follow the Bible to the letter, we may find ourselves overlooking the true miracle of God.

The Bible is just a book. Granted, it's the book of God inspired and God-breathed, but if we really want to get somewhere, we can look at the book for information, or we can go to the source. "If anyone lacks wisdom, let him go to God who is the source of wisdom."

I may simply be considered 'the straw man' on this forum, but the one who made me calls me his friend.

Friend, I will not try to confuse you with scripture as obviously, it has all gone right over your head.
The Bible, is a collection of how to Live according to God. In it, it states you must follow the Bible to be in His good graces and go to Heaven. Simple. No where in the Bible does it say 'Old Testament - Optional' or 'Deuteronomy - OK to Skip'. You have to follow all of it. If you think parts are wrong, you need to work that out with God. You, as one of His children, do not have the right to pick and choose what parts to follow, only He has that right. Failure to do as He commands means you are not a True Christian™, plain and simple. It was done this way so even stupid people could understand it. Do you need any clarification?
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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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You assume that I don't get scripture, when in fact we have the same material and come to separate conclusions. Obviously we aren't going to make much of an impact on each other, so I see no real point in continuing this conversation.

you may be a True Christian, but my warning to you is to make sure you don't stay one in name only.
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You assume that I don't get scripture, when in fact we have the same material and come to separate conclusions. Obviously we aren't going to make much of an impact on each other, so I see no real point in continuing this conversation.
We accept your surrender and exhort you to take your faith more seriously.

We arrive at the conclusion that the path of righteousness is to follow and believe in the entire Bible to the letter, as God commands.

Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Matthew 4:4
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


I'm not sure how we can be reading the same Bible and yet arriving at different conclusions on how to conduct our lives unless you are cherry-picking which verses of Scripture you believe in and which ones you feel to be in a position to reject.

Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


My warning to you is not to succumb to vanity and think that your opinions supercede the Word of God. Trust not in your worldly knowledge. God left us instructions for a reason: to follow them.

Isaiah 29:14
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.


I Corinthians 3:18-20
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
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In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power



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You assume that I don't get scripture, when in fact we have the same material and come to separate conclusions.
We come to separate conclusions because we approach the source material differently. This church teaches that the whole thing is to be taken seriously. You, on the other hand, cherry-pick the parts that you like and ignore the rest.
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