[Witch Hammer]

Re: An improper introduction

No, in fact it lessens the chances of your myth's correctness. But what convinces me of your (and all flood myths) falsehood, is the lack of any evidence of any kind. Also your myth calls for an exuberant amount of divine magic tricks, as I listed, which I do not believe in. As for your "most primitive people" argument, wouldn't that be Adam and Eve??? Wouldn't that be the original Christians??

I'm detecting a distinct lisp here...

[Elmer G. White]

Re: An improper introduction

Greetings. As the smartest among you may have guessed, I am an atheist. I was raised a fundamentalist Christian, but have escaped those chains. What removed from the faith, you may ask?? Well, to tell the truth, the Bible. At the age of about 23, I read all the Bible, front to back. It was then I realized the gross inaccuracies, contradictions, and what is now deemed as immorality spread throughout it's pages.

My challenge is this: prove the existence of your god to me. Feel free to use any logical, philosophical, or scientific evidence in your defense.

So,

You are here trying to dictate us your rules, trying to get us play your silly game. Trying to force Faith and subsequently God to follow the instructions that you feel will help you win this game.

You know, it is not a game of wit, of logic, nor a game of better proof, scientific or philosophical. It's an unnecessary game. A person determined of her disbelief will remain in that state of mind unless touched by Jesus or an inner craving for something better. That is something you have to seek by yourself. You may have the craving, as you are here, as stated by Brother Alvin.

But, you see, it is not a game with winners or losers in a debate. It is not a game at all. God does not have to play games of proof or logic. He creates worldly logic but He is free from it. He is outside the scope of silly proofs. We do not need your game and you think you don't need God on Earth. Your biased mind can easily find contradictions anywhere. You've chosen to look for them. You could choose again. Choose Jesus.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


That has very little to do with proof or logic but everything to do with the Fate of Man, with infinity and Eternity. Choose!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alvin Moss]

Re: A Challenge

If God is powerful enough to guide me to this forum, why would he not simply reveal himself to me to prove his existence?? Or the whole world, for that matter??

And my "betters"?? You consider yourself better than me because I don't believe in an all-powerful sky father and his son who is also him but kind of not who knew humanity would "fall" but then gets mad when we do and also could destroy satan and sin at any time but doesn't, and then is mad at us??

Yes.

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: An improper introduction

Thank you, Wikipedia et al.
It certainly doesn't, does it? In fact, by your ilk's vile and prejudiced liberal standards, according to which the most primitive people are more likely to be "right" than True Christians, it ought to convince even you that the Flood is no myth.

Why are you wasting our time here?

No, in fact it lessens the chances of your myth's correctness. But what convinces me of your (and all flood myths) falsehood, is the lack of any evidence of any kind. Also your myth calls for an exuberant amount of divine magic tricks, as I listed, which I do not believe in. As for your "most primitive people" argument, wouldn't that be Adam and Eve??? Wouldn't that be the original Christians??

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: An improper introduction

Why are you wasting our time here?

Some people just like to hear themselves talk. I like to take the opportunity to be the hands and feet of at a time like this.

[Attila's Wife]

Re: An improper introduction

Thank you, Wikipedia et al.

While this alone certainly doesn't prove your myth wrong.....

It certainly doesn't, does it? In fact, by your ilk's vile and prejudiced liberal standards, according to which the most primitive people are more likely to be "right" than True Christians, it ought to convince even you that the Flood is no myth.

Why are you wasting our time here?

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: An improper introduction

Christianity isn't a myth, it's a relationship with Jesus.

In the same way Greek mythology isn't a myth, it's a personal relationship with Zeus.

The answer to your question is found at the very beginning of the Holy Bible. Remember when you read it? It can be found in chapter 3. I'll give you a hint, this was during the days before the invention of the belly-button.

I know the answer the question, but I wanted you to answer in an attempt to enlighten you. So why did humanity fall??

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: An improper introduction

Kid, you are intellectually dishonest. Do you really think you're the first numbnuts to copy-and-paste from evilbible.com?



Think for yourself next time, oh brilliant one.

Ironic, because thinking for myself is what removed me from your religion. Perhaps you should try it. And if I can't borrow from other humans to further the goals we share, you can't borrow verses from the Bible to further your own goals. No double standards, please. Also, reading the Bible and realizing its immorality makes me a "numbnut"?? Taking things with literally no evidence at all, based on the writings of an ancient text that is wildly incorrect, I assume, is the path of the true intellectual.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: An improper introduction

I simply used the example of cats as an example of how completely innocent things were killed by the flood.

As to the authenticity of the flood myth, here's a list of cultures/locations whose ancient equivalents had similar myths, many of them before Christianity. Sumerian, Babylonian, Greece, Ireland, Finland, the Kwaya, Mbuti, Maasai, Mandin, and Yoruba peoples, (among others) of Africa, India, Turkestan, China, Korea, Malaysia, the Tai-Kadai people, Australia, Polynesia, the Hopi tribe, the W̱SÁNEC people, the Comox people, several Mesoamerican cultures including the Tlapanec, the Huaxtecs, the Aztecs and the Totonac peoples, and several South American cultures including the Inca, the Mapuche, the Muisca, and the Tupi. Not as unique as we are taught...

While this alone certainly doesn't prove your myth wrong, it does mean that Christianity is no more special than any other religion.

I also ask you one question, Mary, and that is why?? Why was all of humanity save Noah evil?? Why did they fall??

Christianity isn't a myth, it's a relationship with Jesus.

The answer to your question is found at the very beginning of the Holy Bible. Remember when you read it? It can be found in chapter 3. I'll give you a hint, this was during the days before the invention of the belly-button.

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: An improper introduction

At the time of the Flood, Noah was the only righteous person alive (Genesis 6:9; 11). His wife and family were spared for the LORD is generous and merciful. But the rest died because corrupt, but the LORD is righteous and holy (Psalm 145:17). I don't understand your point about cats. Cats die every day.

I simply used the example of cats as an example of how completely innocent things were killed by the flood.

As to the authenticity of the flood myth, here's a list of cultures/locations whose ancient equivalents had similar myths, many of them before Christianity. Sumerian, Babylonian, Greece, Ireland, Finland, the Kwaya, Mbuti, Maasai, Mandin, and Yoruba peoples, (among others) of Africa, India, Turkestan, China, Korea, Malaysia, the Tai-Kadai people, Australia, Polynesia, the Hopi tribe, the W̱SÁNEC people, the Comox people, several Mesoamerican cultures including the Tlapanec, the Huaxtecs, the Aztecs and the Totonac peoples, and several South American cultures including the Inca, the Mapuche, the Muisca, and the Tupi. Not as unique as we are taught...

While this alone certainly doesn't prove your myth wrong, it does mean that Christianity is no more special than any other religion.

I also ask you one question, Mary, and that is why?? Why was all of humanity save Noah evil?? Why did they fall??

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: An improper introduction

Kid, you are intellectually dishonest. Do you really think you're the first numbnuts to copy-and-paste from evilbible.com?



Think for yourself next time, oh brilliant one.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: An improper introduction

At the time of the Flood, Noah was the only righteous person alive (Genesis 6:9; 11). His wife and family were spared for the LORD is generous and merciful. But the rest died because corrupt, but the LORD is righteous and holy (Psalm 145:17). I don't understand your point about cats. Cats die every day.

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: A Challenge

Well, just that. As your plagiarized list shows, these verses are all, each and every one of them, taken out of context. When reading the Holy Bible as a Whole, as One Love Letter from the Creator Of The Universe to His Beloved (the True Christian™), there are no possible contradictions. In fact, punishment is never used against the innocent, science (when conducted properly) confirms the Bible, and the historical record stands without confusion. It has been said by secular scholars even that the Holy Bible is the most accurately written book ever in existence.

No contradictions?? Jesus says he and his father are one, but then says his father is more powerful then him. How is this taken out of context?? That is what Jesus said. How is this anything but a contradiction??

Also, the no innocent deaths. Let's look at the flood. Everything died. The "guilty" humans, their innocent babies, the innocent animals, their innocent babies, the innocent plants. Everything. What crime could the tiny baby kittens have committed?? They could of been born that die, but god killed them. And if he's all-powerful, (an impossibility), why doesn't he just snap his fingers and destroy all the "guilty" humans?? Why did he have to magically create a massive flood, magically transport all the animals on to the most massive ship in history, magically keep them all alive for months, (even the carnivores, what did they feed them with??) magically keep the animals from freezing, magically keep the air breathable, magically keep the animals under control and healthy for the duration of the flood, magically remove the water, magically transport all the animals to their homes again, magically restart the whole species with just two members, even though it takes 50 for enough genetic diversity, and then magically remove all signs of said flood, including the massive ship, and finally magically recreate all the plants?? That makes no sense...

And in light of all this, I challenge you to find one scholar who calls that accurate. And what do you mean, science "properly" done?? You acknowledge evolution??

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Challenge

No thank you, once was indeed far too much for me. It did not strengthen my faith, obviously. And what do you mean, "in context"??

Well, just that. As your plagiarized list shows, these verses are all, each and every one of them, taken out of context. When reading the Holy Bible as a Whole, as One Love Letter from the Creator Of The Universe to His Beloved (the True Christian™), there are no possible contradictions. In fact, punishment is never used against the innocent, science (when conducted properly) confirms the Bible, and the historical record stands without confusion. It has been said by secular scholars even that the Holy Bible is the most accurately written book ever in existence.

[IntellectuallyHonest, Spiritually Bankrupt]

Re: A Challenge

Perhaps God brought you here for salvation. We will try if you will only participate and maintain proper respect for your betters.

God Bless!

If God is powerful enough to guide me to this forum, why would he not simply reveal himself to me to prove his existence?? Or the whole world, for that matter??

And my "betters"?? You consider yourself better than me because I don't believe in an all-powerful sky father and his son who is also him but kind of not who knew humanity would "fall" but then gets mad when we do and also could destroy satan and sin at any time but doesn't, and then is mad at us??