[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Quantum God?

When I am finally in Heaven with Jesus as my drinking buddy I'm going to spend a good ten years or so laughing with Him as you writhe on Satan's barbed tallywacker for our amusement. While we drink a cool beer and armwrestle like men.

It's not too late to repent. Tim McVeigh and Charles Manson are there with Jesus because they accepted Christ before they died. You can, too.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

My dear, Satan is not God's rival but His creation (Genesis 3:1). Therefore, Satan has the power which God Himself gives him:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Well, the Devil begs to differ. After all, he even tried to tempt :

Matthew 4:1-11
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Again, exactly what I said. All words, no substance. He lied to Jesus, and Jesus knew he was lying and called him on it, so he left. The only power your Satan has over you, is the power to lie. Since I don't believe in him, I don't hear his lies or obey his commands.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

66[/COLOR]46]Yet, over half of human population believes the Bible to be an accurate description of God and His will. Do you really think that a false belief would be so persistent over the last 2,000 years?



Well, to my knowledge, there is no sacred scripture about these characters!



Not true:


Source:http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/g...andscape-exec/

As you can see, 1/3 of human population identify themselves as Christian - including Catholics, who are not considered to be Christians by this congregation, nevertheless they are also based off the Bible, even if remotely. Given that Muslims also belong to the same group of Abrahamic religions, it's over 1/2 of human population who believe the Bible to be correct.

Poppycock!!!! This old Pew nonsense is based on pure crap. It's not scientific at all. It's propaganda by the institution paid for by Christians to give them the news and science they want. Show me the Pew research, not some webpage that promises it's true. It's not. There's barely a third of Americans that identify as Christians, much less the World. There are 1.3 billion Chinese, most of whom are Buddhists. There are 1.2 Billion Indians, most of whom are Hindu or Sikh or Buddhists. Those two alone are way more than the Christians, even if all Christians were all the same religion, which they aren't.

As far as the rest goes, Hindu religion and native religions also include beliefs in the supernatural, often including a supreme being. With the Buddhists, the thing is a bit more complicated, some denominations believe in a supreme being, others do not or do not care. Hence, only the "unaffiliated" people are the ones who don't believe in anything, that's much less that 1/5 of the overall world population.

That is over 1.2 billion people who are unaffiliated. Also, how the questions are asked and scored makes a big difference. The actual number of practicing Christians is much, much, much less. Only about a third of Americans are Practicing Christians. And for Europe it's even less. They are counting a lot of people as Christians simply because they were raised in a Christian family and say they believe in God. Only a very small percentage actually go to Church and follow their churches doctrine. In fact the largest growing population is that of the non-believer, now at 20% of Americans and growing every year.


Basically, 70% of human population follows some kind of a sacred scripture, believing these scriptures to be the true account of the supernatural.

Meaningless statistic since all these people disagree on what is the right religion. It leads me to conclude that 70% of the worlds population is gullible. What people believe depends on where they were born, not what is correct. If you were born in China, you would be Buddhist because that is what you would have been taught was true.

You must have been raised in a Catholic family. However, look at this congregation: here, they believe that the Bible contains everything God wants people to know. No intermediaries necessary.

No, I was not raised in a Catholic home.

So, if you were a God, you would prefer mindless, obeying followers instead of creative individuals with FREE WILL? Interesting. I do hope that you never get to hold any political office, as you seem to be a bit authoritarian!

I am not the one making people follow these stupid religious rules that make no sense. You can't say people have free will, then pass laws making them obey the rules. That is not free will. That is punishment threat, manipulation to force people to believe what they don't believe on their own. Free will is the freedom to not have to pray to any of these gods that every religion claims is the correct one.

I don't think so. It still attracts people of all kinds, ranging from believers to mockers, and I think the ultimate mission of this website is even for the mockers to stop for a second and think.

I don't know what you mean by "mockers". It seems you mean people who don't believe what you believe. Isn't that free will? Don't people have the free will not to believe and not to abide by your religion or your rules, and you should not be permitted to make them law? I don't mock your religion, I just don't believe it. Refusing to believe is not mocking. It's not being convinced. And everyone who wants to believe that religions are true, can't stand it when people don't believe. It shakes their beliefs when other don't believe silly stories on "faith" In 100 years the God religions will be dead and proved wrong and new religions will emerge because humans need religion. We even have a special part of our brain dedicated to it. Damage that part of your brain and you no longer have faith or a need for it. It's well documented, look it up.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Quantum God?

I have always loved this about Christian, Muslims, and Jehovah Witnesses, of course The Mormons. The Jews invented "God" as known by all the God religions.

You mean "Christian God" religions, right? Because as I have shown you in my previous post, there are many other religious people who believe in a Supreme Being.

Christians hijacked the Jews God and said "you have it all wrong, god had a son and you killed him." Then the Muslims come in say that the Jews and Christians both have it wrong, really God sent Muhammad, not Jesus. And the Mormons come in and say, well Jesus actually came to North America and saved everyone there, some how.

So when Protestants say the Catholics are wrong, it just cracks me up. Because the Protestant religions did not come about until the King of England invented it, so he could get divorced in the 14th century.

Anglican separation from the Catholic Church - 1534.
Luther's 95 theses - 1517.
Various persecuted Anabaptist groups ~ Medieval times.

So, you were saying...?

Over a thousand years after the religion was invented. So you are saying the Guys who put the Bible together and their leaders represent the Anti-Christ?

I do not follow. Just in case, the Catholic Bible is different from the KJV Bible, and both are different from the Jewish Bible, so I'm not sure which is the "ant-Christ" party you're referring to.

[Basilissa]

Re: Quantum God?

Are you saying that Satan has some power? God like powers to effect things? Because I would need a reference on that. It seems the only power Satan really has is the power of the lie. If he has God like powers, the Bible certainly doesn't say so. But being a fallible human, I could be wrong. So if you have a bible quote that would show me what power Satan has and how he got it, that would be great. I would also be curious how God got a rival and who made him. Because if God made him, you'd have to ask Why? Why would God need Satan? And why would God provide a place like Hell for him?

My dear, Satan is not God's rival but His creation (Genesis 3:1). Therefore, Satan has the power which God Himself gives him:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

No, Satan has no power over me, because again, I don't have religion, so I don't believe in Hell or Satan. I would no more follow a pretend Satan god than I would a God god. I don't believe in "The Devil made me do it". That is how people avoid taking responsibility for their actions. The Devil has no power to make anyone do anything.

Well, the Devil begs to differ. After all, he even tried to tempt :

Matthew 4:1-11
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

]The pope is the antichrist. [/B]This website is the only one on the internets that is endorsed and beloved by God. You think you're a clever witch, trying to twist God's Holy Word to suit your own desires and to turn us against Jesus. But it will not work. You can't understand the Bible because your father is satan.



Go back and tell your master satan that we have GOD ALMIGHTY protecting us, and that we are no so easily bamboozled.

I have always loved this about Christian, Muslims, and Jehovah Witnesses, of course The Mormons. The Jews invented "God" as known by all the God religions. The Christians hijacked the Jews God and said "you have it all wrong, god had a son and you killed him." Then the Muslims come in say that the Jews and Christians both have it wrong, really God sent Muhammad, not Jesus. And the Mormons come in and say, well Jesus actually came to North America and saved everyone there, some how.

So when Protestants say the Catholics are wrong, it just cracks me up. Because the Protestant religions did not come about until the King of England invented it, so he could get divorced in the 14th century. Over a thousand years after the religion was invented. So you are saying the Guys who put the Bible together and their leaders represent the Anti-Christ? Even though that religion existed over a thousand years before yours? Now that is funny to me. You Christians can't even get the story straight among you all.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

Indeed friend, if you could string together two words, that made Bible sense, that would be great. But alas, you servant of devils, it is to no avail on your part because we are not ignorant of your illusions and deceitfulness.

2 Corinthians
2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Are you saying that Satan has some power? God like powers to effect things? Because I would need a reference on that. It seems the only power Satan really has is the power of the lie. If he has God like powers, the Bible certainly doesn't say so. But being a fallible human, I could be wrong. So if you have a bible quote that would show me what power Satan has and how he got it, that would be great. I would also be curious how God got a rival and who made him. Because if God made him, you'd have to ask Why? Why would God need Satan? And why would God provide a place like Hell for him?

No, Satan has no power over me, because again, I don't have religion, so I don't believe in Hell or Satan. I would no more follow a pretend Satan god than I would a God god. I don't believe in "The Devil made me do it". That is how people avoid taking responsibility for their actions. The Devil has no power to make anyone do anything.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

God doesn't have to do anything. If you see Him using a human to write a story, it's because He chooses to do so, for reasons your unsaved mind is not qualified to understand.

And you really need to research how Moses came to be in possession of certain tablets containing certain rules God wants us to follow. That right there is an example of God Himself --using no human intermediary- writing things down.

Writing them in stone, no less.

The tablets containing the Ten Commandments are all the proof you need that your point is completely invalid.

Where are they? Where are these tablets? I would like to see them. Because like Hogwarts,I'm pretty sure it only exists in a book, written by men, or a woman in the case of Hogwarts. Fiction is the only place we have ever seen a witch or a Unicorn.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Quantum God?

No wonder so much gets lost in translation.

Indeed friend, if you could string together two words, that made Bible sense, that would be great. But alas, you servant of devils, it is to no avail on your part because we are not ignorant of your illusions and deceitfulness.

2 Corinthians
2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Quantum God?

You mean that someone wrote in a book that someone Named Timothy said something. I mean unless God's name is Timothy and he wrote the Bible, that is not God's word. It's men that are saying it's God's words, not God. So knowing what I know about trusting Humans to tell the truth, it takes a very long leap of faith to say that a book is the word of God, but God has nothing to do with writing it.

Yet, over half of human population believes the Bible to be an accurate description of God and His will. Do you really think that a false belief would be so persistent over the last 2,000 years?

Like I said, it's never made any sense to me. Just like the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and The Tooth Fairy, under scrutiny, the story just does not even come close to holding water.

Well, to my knowledge, there is no sacred scripture about these characters!

I wish it did. I really do. I would love to have something that I could believe was really true. But I'm afraid that just don't exist. Not to mention less that 1/5 of the worlds population believes in the Bible, even in the remotest way. So I am in the majority by a good margin. There are a lot more Buddhists, Muslims, and Hindus, not to mention the religions of indigenous peoples around the world.

Not true:


Source:http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/g...andscape-exec/

As you can see, 1/3 of human population identify themselves as Christian - including Catholics, who are not considered to be Christians by this congregation, nevertheless they are also based off the Bible, even if remotely. Given that Muslims also belong to the same group of Abrahamic religions, it's over 1/2 of human population who believe the Bible to be correct.

As far as the rest goes, Hindu religion and native religions also include beliefs in the supernatural, often including a supreme being. With the Buddhists, the thing is a bit more complicated, some denominations believe in a supreme being, others do not or do not care. Hence, only the "unaffiliated" people are the ones who don't believe in anything, that's much less that 1/5 of the overall world population.

Basically, 70% of human population follows some kind of a sacred scripture, believing these scriptures to be the true account of the supernatural.

What all these religions have in common is that whoever "God" is in the religion, he has to remain hidden to all, except the "men of God" who seem to know what God wants.

You must have been raised in a Catholic family. However, look at this congregation: here, they believe that the Bible contains everything God wants people to know. No intermediaries necessary.

I think a real God would want everyone to know he was God. It wouldn't require faith. There is no reason for all Gods to require faith, except that they don't exist. That makes it a necessity. If God was real, he could make people obey his religion, instead of having sites like this.

So, if you were a God, you would prefer mindless, obeying followers instead of creative individuals with FREE WILL? Interesting. I do hope that you never get to hold any political office, as you seem to be a bit authoritarian!

I mean if this site is the Work of God, forgive him for how piffleing weak he is. Because if this is his strategy, it's really weak.

I don't think so. It still attracts people of all kinds, ranging from believers to mockers, and I think the ultimate mission of this website is even for the mockers to stop for a second and think.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Quantum God?

Who do I believe, your website, or the Holiest man in Christianity, the Pope?

The pope is the antichrist. This website is the only one on the internets that is endorsed and beloved by God. You think you're a clever witch, trying to twist God's Holy Word to suit your own desires and to turn us against Jesus. But it will not work. You can't understand the Bible because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Go back and tell your master satan that we have GOD ALMIGHTY protecting us, and that we are no so easily bamboozled.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

The only thing I have to admit is that you are a godmocking whore of satan and I can't wait to see Christ Jesus toss your limp, dead body down into the flames of eternal hell.

You want me to believe your god inspires people to write? What the heck is "Godocking". It sounds like some kind of sex with God. And Satan is a proper noun and should have been capitalized. No wonder so much gets lost in translation.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

The only thing I have to admit is that you are a godmocking whore of satan and I can't wait to see Christ Jesus toss your limp, dead body down into the flames of eternal hell.

Well, again the Bible is pretty confusing on this topic. We all know that when we die our bodies die. Now the Bible says people will be given a new body in heaven Here's a bunch of references for you reference junkies:

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS (click on the underlined verses to read them) Our present body is only a "tent" which we will put aside. 2 Cor 5:1-3, 2 Pet 1:13-14
God, through Christ, will deliver us from this present "body of death" (which is the sinful nature). Rom 7:20-25
God has prepared us for the purpose of being clothed with our heavenly body. 2 Cor 5:4-5
Although we do not know exactly what our new bodies will be like, we know that they will be like Jesus. 1 John 3:2-3
Our new bodies will be like Christ's glorious body. Phil 3:20-21, Rom 8:28-30, Ps 17:15, Rom 6:5-8, 1 Cor 15:49, 2 Cor 3:17-18 (See Our Lord's Glorious Body)
We will be changed instantaneously when we are raised. 1 Cor 15:51-53
Each of us will have a unique body as God determines, just as a single seed produces its own unique plant. 1 Cor 15:35-58 (Think about how much more grandeur a plant is than its seed! See also Mark 4:30-32,1 Pet 1:22-23)
To gain our new body, our current body must die. 1 Cor 15:35-49 (See also Phil 1:21-23)
Our new body will be incorruptible. Our current body is corruptible. 1 Cor 15:42-44, 1 Cor 15:52-54 (In context: 1 Cor 15:35-58)
Our new body will be glorified. Our current body is dishonorable. 1 Cor 15:42-44, (In context: 1 Cor 15:35-58)
Our new body will be powerful. Our current body is weak . 1 Cor 15:42-44, (In context: 1 Cor 15:35-58)
Our new body will be spiritual. Our current bodies natural. 1 Cor 15:42-44, (In context: 1 Cor 15:35-58)
Our new bodies will be from God, eternal and in the heavens. 2 Cor 5:1-5
Like Moses and Elijah, our bodies will likely be able to converse with others. Luke 9:28-32, Matt 17:2-3
We will speak a pure language that we may be able to call on the name of the Lord and serve Him. Zeph 3:8-9
People who currently have physical disabilities will not have them in their new bodies. Isaiah 35:3-5
We will have no racial or cultural distinctions Col 3:9-11
However, not believing in religion, I am not going to heaven, so I won't be getting a new body. Even the Pope says Hell is not a real place, but a metaphor for a lost soul that doesn't make it to Heaven. Now they invented Christianity and supposedly this dude has a direct line to God himself. Who do I believe, your website, or the Holiest man in Christianity, the Pope?

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

Splendid. In that case, why don't you go right ahead and be a street prostitute like your feminist masters want you to be. And when you get arrested and prosecuted, you be sure and tell the judge that because you are an atheist, that means you have no sin, and thus have committed no crime.

See how far that gets you.

Hold on here, crime and sin are not the same thing. Sins are laws written religion, crime is a violation of rules written by government who has the means to punish you if you disobey. For the most part and after the Inquisition, we decided churches were too irresponsible to leave in charge of punishment. Without that, church can't threaten your with their god, because he never acts on their behalf, because he don't exist.

Come on, would god let a Church like the Catholic Church have over 5000 pedophile priests, in Europe alone, if it were really his church? Would God have let Jim Jones lure 1000 people into the jungle and force them to commit suicide, including Children? Would God let Muslims tie a thousand Christians hands behind their backs and shoot them one at a time in the head on YouTube? Would a real God let men rape and murder little children?

If living my life under the scrutiny of men, like yourselves who believe in controlling people through religion, or not and not having to feel guilt or shame for being a human being, I think I can do just fine the way I am. Besides it doesn't matter. Nothing short of Jesus showing up himself would convince me. If he ever shows up, I will worship him, if that is what he wants, just as I would any supreme being who has power over me. But not to men. I will never submit to men. I would rather die.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Quantum God?

I can grasp the idea of it, I just don't believe it. If I tell you that God inspired everything I wrote here, would you believe it? There is no reason to believe it. Anyone can say that something was inspired by God, and no one can prove them wrong. So all religions say they were written by their God through the hands of men. Apparently God has the power to do anything, but can't get a book published. He needs people? Is that right? God created everything there is, but for some reason he had to rely on humans to write the Bible. I mean, you have to admit, that's pretty silly. Even at six years old, it seemed silly to me.

The only thing I have to admit is that you are a godmocking whore of satan and I can't wait to see Christ Jesus toss your limp, dead body down into the flames of eternal hell.

Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.