[Brother Temperance]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Did you know that I've seen homosexual christians do amazing things for God? It is homosexual sex God hates, not being homosexual.

If they're Christians, they don't do things God hates. The idea of a perverted Christian is logically insane.

"That WHOMSOEVER believes" so, a muslim can come to faith, etc etc etc. But if you treat them like scum, how do you expect them to see Jesus' way of life? His pathway of love?

If you treat a Muslim like they're doing fine, how do you expect them to see that everything they're doing is despicably wrong?

I understand rebuking sinners, yes. But rebuking them BY sinning is STILL sin. Like beating them up, or something. Or calling them scum. Jesus teaches us that murder isn't just stabbing someone, it is mocking them. So calling muslims scum is MURDER. And I hate watching my brothers and sisters become murderers.

Calling a muslim scum isn't mocking them, it's being honest. Jesus called the Pharisees vipers and serpents, was that being nice?

You know something heartbreaking guys?
I can see you are so full of passion for God that you are bursting at the seams! And its great!

But you remind me of my uncle, who put my off christianity.

Want to know what brings people to God?
Love.

So, if you want to "Take Jesus to the World" the show them the love and forgiveness that God showed you.

Its the only way.

I lovingly rebuke sinners every day, and I am always willing to forgive them once they have given up being sinners. I'm heartbroken by the fact that you seem to genuinely think you're a Christian, although I'm sure that He will have to smite you for your despicable sins and mushy-headed inability to comprehend His message.

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

You know something heartbreaking guys?
I can see you are so full of passion for God that you are bursting at the seams! And its great!

But you remind me of my uncle, who put my off christianity.

Want to know what brings people to God?
Love.

So, if you want to "Take Jesus to the World" the show them the love and forgiveness that God showed you.

Its the only way.

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Did you know that I've seen homosexual christians do amazing things for God? It is homosexual sex God hates, not being homosexual. Thats what it says in Levitius anyway!

Yes, I do stuggle to comprehend alot of things. Im merely a human! When I do comprehend something it is a gift straight from the Lord, and it is wonderful!

I've got to say, being told I am a "false christian" is probably the most hurtful thing I have ever been told. I'm not going to lie. But, I want to be associated with Jesus, not with how the world sees christianity now-a-days.

I agree! Those who don't repent won't go to Heaven. But if God doesn't want us to be saved, then why on earth did Jesus die on the cross?! And how did I ever find Him? Well, He found me, because I was not looking for a change, I can tell you that! And in my Bible, no matter what translation I read, I'm told that God hates the sin. God is like a father! Don't your parents still love you when you screw up? I mean, none of us are perfect. So, you sound like you think God should hate us. Including you and me. But I presume that isn't what you mean

"That WHOMSOEVER believes" so, a muslim can come to faith, etc etc etc. But if you treat them like scum, how do you expect them to see Jesus' way of life? His pathway of love? We are the body of Christ! We are here to show the world His glory! I know you've got the passion for this, what believer doesn't? Jesus' revolution is with love!

What do you think the word charity means in that context? Afterall, it talks about how deeds dont get us into heaven, so it can't be giving money or any of that kind of charity, right?

I understand rebuking sinners, yes. But rebuking them BY sinning is STILL sin. Like beating them up, or something. Or calling them scum. Jesus teaches us that murder isn't just stabbing someone, it is mocking them. So calling muslims scum is MURDER. And I hate watching my brothers and sisters become murderers.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Sure! thanks for asking

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
KJV John 3:16

The thing about you false Christians is you only read the first half and stop there. It says whoever believes in Christ will not perish and have everlasting life. But, that implies that whoever does not believe will perish and go to Hell.

God does love every sinner in the sense that He wants them to become Saved. Yet, he also hates sinners, not just the sin, (Psalm 5:5-6) and will punish them with an eternity in Hell for rejecting His offer of salvation. Unless you think throwing souls into Hell for an everlasting punishment of burning and pain is "love".

It doesn't say "For God so loved the christians" it says the WORLD. The whole creation, including muslims, atheists, murderers, adultresses, the whole works.

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Muslims, atheists, murderers, adulterers and more are all addressed in these verses. I don't see the word "love" in any of them, do you you? 1 Cor. 6:9 tells us they will not inherit the kingdom of God and Rev. 21:8 tells us they will go to a Lake of Fire.

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. "
KJV Cor. 13

In other Bible versions and in the original language it says "Love" not charity, so I just thought I'd throw that in there Oh, and the underlined bit is because I feel most people struggle with that. Being loving to everyone is really hard.

Actually, we had this discussion recently. The KJV is actually correct in rendering the Greek term agaphn is more akin to English "charity", than "love", although the word is very similar admittedly.

Other translations are inferior and written with agendas. Did you know the chairman of the NIV committee is a homosexual? That makes as much sense as having an atheist translate a Bible!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Man, I sound so judgemental, I'm sorry, but I am really struggling to comprehend you guys.

That's no surprise. I imagine you really struggle to comprehend a lot of things.

oh, and in the original language, the direct translation shows that one of the commandments is "Love thy neighbor" and Jesus explains that everyone is our neighbor. This is the one place when I must admit that i think the KJV is fault, as it says "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments" But thats the only complaint I've personally found so far

If you have a complaint with the KJV, take it up with God. Why can you not understand that we rebuke sinners out of Love? If you had a friend who was addicted to smack, would it be "loving" to buy him some more? Or would the loving thing to do be to tell them to change their ways, even if it meant upsetting them?

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

oh, and in the original language, the direct translation shows that one of the commandments is "Love thy neighbor" and Jesus explains that everyone is our neighbor. This is the one place when I must admit that i think the KJV is fault, as it says "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments" But thats the only complaint I've personally found so far

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Mark 10:21 (KJV)
"Then Jesus beholding him loved him"
This is a story about a jewish man who was very rich and wanted Jesus to say how perfect he was. This man was not a christian, yet Jesus loved Him! I know you must already know this story, as you are a pastor, but I like using alot of Biblical knowladge in my opinions and proof

Romans 8:39
"Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"
So, no creature, including ourselves and our incorrect choices can stop God loving us! For someone like me, who is so below Gods standards, that is such a blessing to hear!

But yes, is that enough for you? I can find more if you like and thanks for challenging me with this ^^

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Sure! thanks for asking

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
KJV John 3:16


It doesn't say "For God so loved the christians" it says the WORLD. The whole creation, including muslims, atheists, murderers, adultresses, the whole works. And me, otherwise I filthy sinner like myself would have never been accepted into such a wonderful kingdom with so gracious and loving a King! So, Jesus died on that cross for everyone. For the whole world! How exciting is that? I don't know any fact that is as amazing and beautiful as that one In the original language the word for "world" also meant "inhabitants" Pretty awesome huh?

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. "
KJV Cor. 13

In other Bible versions and in the original language it says "Love" not charity, so I just thought I'd throw that in there Oh, and the underlined bit is because I feel most people struggle with that. Being loving to everyone is really hard.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Jesus loves kids. I don't think it matters what life they are leading, God says we should show love to everyone. He forgave the most disgusting of sinners, and told us to do the same, so we should be thankful that love is being shown to these kids, because we all know that Jesus is!

Can you show us Scripture to back up these beliefs? Particularily the "God says we should show love to everyone" bit, because I know that's not in my KJV! Book, chapter, verse please.

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Man, I sound so judgemental, I'm sorry, but I am really struggling to comprehend you guys. You seem to what the Lords will so badly, but the fundamental basis of christianity is LOVE.
I mean, Jesus died for me when I was an atheist who hated him, I was a truly horrendous sinner, and he loved me enough to give up His life for me! He feels the same way about those "brats"!

[ForgivenSinner:)]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Jesus loves kids. I don't think it matters what life they are leading, God says we should show love to everyone. He forgave the most disgusting of sinners, and told us to do the same, so we should be thankful that love is being shown to these kids, because we all know that Jesus is!

[Newleaf]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Toys for Tots does not even bother to hide their hatred of Jesus. A godly American toy company offered to donate 4,000 talking Jesus dolls to the program, and had their generous offer rejected! Why? Because Toys for Tots didn't want any of the little Jewish and Moon-worshipping Muslim welfare brats to hear our Savior's words!

My question is why are they giving toys to these filthy heathen children in the first place. It's Christmas, and there are a good many Christian children out there who celebrate our Lord's birthday and deserve these toys more. The Mooslim families who greedily take these toys for their Arab babies are obviously making a mockery of Jesus and taking advantage of the charity-giving American people, trying to scam free toys for their brats from so they can spend their money on bombs or something instead.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Luke 18:15-17

"People were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, and when the disciples (LBCers) saw this, they rebuked them. Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, "Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it."

I'm sorry, but anytime a papist priest starts talking about "touching infants," I get nervous.

[David Burke]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

as if somehow a Transformer is more important for a six-year-old than a Bible.

what kid would want a transformer instead of a Bible?

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: TOYS FOR TOTS: Jesus-hating program that needs to be STOPPED!

Luke 18:15-17

"People were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, and when the disciples (LBCers) saw this, they rebuked them. Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, "Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it."