A question about adoption

[Eva_Christensen]

A question arose in my mind today!

As you may know, Im am now 30 years old– and still I have not carried any soldiers for Christ

I have adressed this before I know, but bare with me please!

I know that the Bible tells us, that a woman shall be saved through childbearing
1 Timothy 2:15; Notwithstanding sheshall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charityand holiness with sobriety.

But then i thought; what if we adopt? Will I still be saved on the day reckoning? Or will I perish in the eternal hellfire?

God seem to look favourably upon adoption - Moses was adopted Exodus 2:10 and God sure liked him –but what of the woman who does not carry any children of her own, but instead adopts? Could I still be saved in any way?

Any points on this?
YiC
Eva

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: A question about adoption

I don't think you have any chance of being saved if you adopt, instead of bearing your own child Neither do those who only ever have C-sections. You would be far better off having IVF and bearing your own child, even though it would mean your husband would not be saved, as it involves spilled seed.

[Mary Thompson]

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I agree with Mo7 as Adoption is basically cheating your way off deserved childbirth. Eve was the one who created sin and therefore women must now have the pains of giving birth (Genesis 3:16). To avoid so will certainly send you to HELL!

[Mother Of Seven]

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You forget also that there is a reason you cannot conceive. And that is because God has denied it to you so far as you are still a sinner. You must pray much harder - not just pray for a child, but pray to glorify the Lord.

[Eva_Christensen]

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I don't think you have any chance of being saved if you adopt, instead of bearing your own child Neither do those who only ever have C-sections. You would be far better off having IVF and bearing your own child, even though it would mean your husband would not be saved, as it involves spilled seed.

Well – this is truly a conundrum then – but thank you for making me more clear on this!

If i use IVF I would possiblybe saved, but my husband would not (because of the spilling of the seed) Genesis 38:9-10
If my husband would divorce me, he could remarry and have children, but then he wouldn't be saved on the finalday anyway Luke 16:18
If he were to kill me, so he could remarry he would not be saved either Exodus 20:13
If I were to kill myself I would most definitely go straight to hell 1 Corinthians 3:17
If i were to commit some sort of sexual immorality(and I would never do that), my husband could remarry but I would not be saved Matthew 5:32 and Exodus 20:14

I agree with Mo7 as Adoption is basically cheating your way off deserved childbirth. Eve was the one who created sin and therefore women must now have the pains of giving birth (Genesis 3:16). To avoid so will certainly send you to HELL!

You are right - there is no easy way around it, I guess. A woman must bare the pains of labor, in order to take a place in haven!

You forget also that there is a reason you cannot conceive. And that is because God has denied it to you so far as you are still a sinner. You must pray much harder - not just pray for a child, but pray to glorify the Lord.

Well there doesn't seem to be much I can do here, except rely on God to guide us through these hard times. And as you say, pray harder, and make sure I live every second in accordance with the word of The Lord!
Just one very delicate question!
Could some of this be a result of my husband only having one testicle? Deuteronomy 23:1?

I did find some consolation in Hebrews 11:11-12 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age , because she judged him faithful who had promised .Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by thesea shore innumerable.

- And Abraham was 99!

[Mother Of Seven]

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If he only has one testicle, he's going to hell anyway, so IVF could be the answer. One testicle, spilled seed - not much difference. At least you will be Saved. And if you don't bear children, you too will join him in Hell.

[Eva_Christensen]

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I confronted my husband with this, and after giving me a good beating for being so indescreete on the matter, he informed me, that it is infact a case of untreated cryptorchidism!

So maybe there is still hope for the both of us?! Only God in His devine wisdom, will know!

Thank you for your input, and I will keep praying as hard as I can!


YiC
Eva

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: A question about adoption

I confronted my husband with this, and after giving me a good beating for being so indescreete on the matter, he informed me, that it is infact a case of untreated cryptorchidism!

So maybe there is still hope for the both of us?! Only God in His devine wisdom, will know!

Thank you for your input, and I will keep praying as hard as I can!


YiC
Eva

It matters not. God will still smite him for an undescended testicle by giving him testicular cancer (10 x the risk of a normal man).

[Talitha]

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30 years of age and childless.................... I call Lezbeean.

[Eva_Christensen]

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It matters not. God will still smite him for an undescended testicle by giving him testicular cancer (10 x the risk of a normal man).

Well you're properly right. I guess I was just hoping for a miracle
James 5:15

30 years of age and childless.................... I call Lezbeean.

[Mary Thompson]

Re: A question about adoption

I confronted my husband with this, and after giving me a good beating for being so indescreete on the matter, he informed me, that it is infact a case of untreated cryptorchidism!

So maybe there is still hope for the both of us?! Only God in His devine wisdom, will know!

Thank you for your input, and I will keep praying as hard as I can!


YiC
Eva

Hmm, I don't know. You seem to be making up some pretty thin excuses now. What on earth is Crytorchidism anyway? It sounds like you're just putting a fancy scientific name on what should just be described as sinfulness. You're well past your child bearing years. It is never the man's fault. It is yours. Never mind he is missing some of his parts. He shall be going to Hell for that anyway. But as for you, it is your fault for not praying to God enough or being Christian enough. :smile:
It is in your hands now whether you get that baby you want or not.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

[Mother Of Seven]

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Hmm, I don't know. You seem to be making up some pretty thin excuses now. What on earth is Crytorchidism anyway? It sounds like you're just putting a fancy scientific name on what should just be described as sinfulness. You're well past your child bearing years. It is never the man's fault. It is yours. Never mind he is missing some of his parts. He shall be going to Hell for that anyway. But as for you, it is your fault for not praying to God enough or being Christian enough. :smile:
It is in your hands now whether you get that baby you want or not.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

Cryptorchidism is when one of the testicles doesn't descend into the scrotum - it sits inside the body, where God deems that the heat of the body will cause cancer.
Leviticus 21:16-21
16 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

It's also a major cause of male infertility. So it's very sinful, as all those sperm die and go to Hell before they even have a chance of leaving the man's body. Dog breeders refuse to breed from dogs with cryptorchidism as it's an hereditary fault.
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

So even if Sister Eva does conceive, and it's a son, the boy may have the same problem.

[Eva_Christensen]

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But as for you, it is your fault for not praying to God enough or being Christian enough. :smile:
It is in your hands now whether you get that baby you want or not.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

While your words saddens me Sister Mary, I know you speak the truth!
It was more than foolish of me to try and explain anything by sience
I must trust the way of the Lord and redeem myself in everyway I can. Thank you for this rebuke.

So even if Sister Eva does conceive, and it's a son, the boy may have the same problem.

I will go pray at once!


YiC
Eva

[Mary Thompson]

Re: A question about adoption

Cryptorchidism is when one of the testicles doesn't descend into the scrotum - it sits inside the body, where God deems that the heat of the body will cause cancer.
Leviticus 21:16-21
16 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

It's also a major cause of male infertility. So it's very sinful, as all those sperm die and go to Hell before they even have a chance of leaving the man's body. Dog breeders refuse to breed from dogs with cryptorchidism as it's an hereditary fault.
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

So even if Sister Eva does conceive, and it's a son, the boy may have the same problem.

Thanks for clarifying that. So that means that even if Sister Eva's prayers are answers, every future generation descended from her will go to Hell. She and her husband must have done something very bad to make God upset. I bet Sister Eva burnt a steak for her husband.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: A question about adoption

Thanks for clarifying that. So that means that even if Sister Eva's prayers are answers, every future generation descended from her will go to Hell. She and her husband must have done something very bad to make God upset. I bet Sister Eva burnt a steak for her husband.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

The way I read "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children,and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. " is that every generation descended from her husband (not necessarily from her) will go to Hell. Her husband is clearly a sinner, to have been afflicted with cryptorchidism and that is the punishment that will be visited on his descendants.