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  • JennyD
    Honorary True Christian™
    Sweet Placid Sister
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    • Dec 2007
    • 9567

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    Judge: Faith in God Unconstitutional in Kentucky

    In 2006, Kentucky State Rep Tom Riner (D-Louisville), a Southern Baptist minister, quietly slipped language into a bill regarding Kentucky’s Homeland Security Office crediting “Almighty God” with Kentucky’s security. Three years later, a Federal Circuit Court judge has determined that this Godly language is unconstitutional.

    For the past three years, officers of Kentucky’s Office of Homeland Security have been required to credit “Almighty God” in their official reports, and to serve below a plaque with the same message at their Emergency Operations Center in Frankfort, KY.

    According to the required language, “the safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God”.

    One would think that having God's protection would obviate the need for an Office of Homeland Security to defend a state from a handful of Muslim terrorists. Perhaps Kentuckians are lacking in faith?

    Franklin Circuit Court Judge Thomas Wingate didn’t ask such philosophical questions in issuing his ruling. Instead, he commented:
    The statute pronounces very plainly that current citizens of the Commonwealth cannot be safe, neither now, nor in the future, without the aid of Almighty God. Even assuming that most of this nation’s citizens have historically depended upon God, by choice, for their protection, this does not give the General Assembly the right to force citizens to do so now.
    In his 18-page order to strike the “Almighty God” references, Wingate pointed out that there were two “Godly” amendments to the 2006 bill creating the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security, a somewhat delayed response to the 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
    One required that training materials include information that the General Assembly stressed a “dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth.” The other required a plaque to be placed at the entrance to the state’s Emergency Operations Center in Frankfort that said, in part, “the safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God.”

    Wingate noted in the order that there are 32 references to God or Almighty God in state statutes and the state constitution.

    But the reference in the homeland security law “places an affirmative duty to rely on Almighty God for the protection of the Commonwealth,” Wingate wrote. “This makes the statute exceptional among thousands of others, and therefore, unconstitutional.”
    Wingate continues,
    It is clear that the purpose underlying the display of the plaque and the contents of Office of Homeland Security training materials is not to celebrate the historical reasons for our great nation’s survival in the face of terror and war. Its purpose is to declare publicly that the official position of the Commonwealth of Kentucky is that an Almighty God exists and that the function of that God is to protect us from our enemies.

    Consequently, a reading of the statute’s plain language makes that clear. Effectively, the General Assembly has created an official government position on God.

    The recitation of the beliefs of past Presidents does not mask the clear purpose of the statutes.
    Full text of the statute may be found here.

    Riner, pastor at Christ is King Baptist Church in Louisville, plans to appeal. He comments:
    They make the argument … that it has to do with a religion, and promoting a religion. God is not a religion. God is God.

    This is no small matter, the understanding that God is real. There are real benefits to acknowledging Him. There was not a single founder or framer of the Constitution who didn’t believe that.
    I believe Mr. Riner, rather than speaking in generalities, should demonstrate the concrete benefits to acknowledging “Almighty God”. Such benefits must, of course, accrue directly from said “Almighty God”, not from the concurrence of other humans with the belief. This would help silence those obnoxious atheists.

    I would also like to ask Mr. Riner to demonstrate how each founder and/or framer of the Constitution believed that there were “real benefits” to acknowledging Almighty God, and explain why it is that they chose not to include Him in their Constitution. He can do this through research into the writings of these fine gentlemen.

    Wouldn’t you like to know the answers to these questions? Imagine how many atheists would be permanently silenced!

    Edwin Kagin, legal director of American Atheists, doesn’t much care. He crows,
    The plaintiffs, and all citizens of Kentucky, are more safe as a result of this thoughtful ruling by Judge Wingate. Threats to our security from within are even more frightening than threats from without. Those who seek to attack our freedoms by imposing their religion upon us have been pushed back a bit by this ruling. The Wall of Separation between government and religion continues to hold. I think Thomas Jefferson would have been pleased.
    How exactly are they "more safe", now that they have rejected the protection of Almighty God?

    Does Edwin live in Backward Land, where up is down and left is right?
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  • Brother Temperance
    Senior Usher
    True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
    A very nice young man
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2006
    • 15621

    #2
    Re: Judge: Faith in God Unconstitutional in Kentucky

    You know another state that refused to ask God Almighty for protection? Louisiana. What does that tell you?
    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



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    • JennyD
      Honorary True Christian™
      Sweet Placid Sister
      Forum Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 9567

      #3
      Re: Judge: Faith in God Unconstitutional in Kentucky

      Originally posted by Brother Temperance View Post
      You know another state that refused to ask God Almighty for protection? Louisiana. What does that tell you?
      Ignore God, and He'll send you a dot-head?
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      • David Goldman
        (not a Jew)
        True Christian™
        • Aug 2009
        • 700

        #4
        Re: Judge: Faith in God Unconstitutional in Kentucky

        I find Edwin Kagin crowing a bit disturbing: "Threats to our security from within are even more frightening than threats from without. Those who seek to attack our freedoms by imposing their religion upon us have been pushed back a bit by this ruling."

        He is comparing a plaque that essentially says "In God we Trust" with radical Islamists. Does he really find a US $1 bill more frightening than a suicide bomber? Or a US penny more frightening than kidnappers who decapitate their victims to make Al Jazeera videos?

        I would suggest to Mr Kagin that if he is serious about "pushing back those who would impose their religion upon us", then he focus first on those who use Fatwa and Jihad to push said religion. Christendom outgrew crusades and inquisitions several hundred years ago, so he has no immediate worries there.
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