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  • Juliette
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    True Christian™
    • Jan 2008
    • 705

    #1

    Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.


    Manila women fight contraception ban


    By Philippa Fogarty
    BBC News


    Twenty of Manila's poorest residents have filed a legal challenge against what they say is a ban on contraception.

    The group - 16 women and four of their husbands - are fighting a policy which they say denies them access to condoms, to the pill and other effective forms of family planning.
    This has had a devastating effect on their lives, they argue, causing unwanted pregnancies, pushing them further into poverty and harming their health and wellbeing.
    The case has sparked debate in the Philippines where, says Professor Michael Tan, chair of the anthropology department at the University of the Philippines, there is no national policy on family planning.
    More than 80% of Filipinos are Roman Catholics and the Church is hugely influential. Abortion is banned and President Gloria Arroyo openly backs the Church's anti-contraception stance.





    The city will not use funds for the procurement of contraceptives
    Dr Gina Pardilla,
    Manila City health official


    Previous attempts to pass laws requiring government funding for services like family planning and Aids prevention have been blocked by conservatives, Mr Tan says.
    This has left crucial decisions in the hands of local officials and resulted in a very mixed picture nationwide - so this case is very significant.
    "People recognise that the courts must decide once and for all whether local government officials can unilaterally ban family planning services," he said.


    'Culture of life'

    The policy at the centre of the controversy was introduced in February 2000 by the then Manila City Mayor Jose Atienza, a staunch Catholic.
    He backed "natural" family planning - a less reliable method which involves couples not having sex when the woman is at her most fertile - and called the use of alternative contraceptives "a very, very destructive practice which ruins Filipino values".






    We want to say that this cannot be done in Manila or anywhere else
    Elizabeth Pangalangan,
    lawyer for the plaintiffs

    Mr Atienza passed Executive Order 003, which "upholds natural family planning not just as a method but as a way of self-awareness in promoting the culture of life while discouraging the use of artificial methods of contraception".
    Although carefully worded to avoid an outright prohibition on "artificial" contraception, it was interpreted as such by city health officials, campaigners say.
    Condoms and pills - which had been free - disappeared from local health centres. Hospitals turned down requests for sterilization operations. Many health workers stopped providing any information whatsoever on contraception.
    Some family planning services did remain available at government-run hospitals or in other districts of the sprawling capital which did not fall under Mr Atienza.
    But these services came at a price, people had to travel to get them and many simply did not know where to go. NGOs who tried to fill the gap reported harassment by city officials.


    Unwanted pregnancies

    Lawyers for the group - from Philippine-based rights organisations LIKHAAN and Reprocen, and the US-based Center for Reproductive Rights (CRR) - argue that EO 003 has caused "serious and lingering damage" to residents.
    The policy has hit poorest people the hardest, they say, forcing people to choose between a packet of pills or food for their families.


    Several of the petitioners have had many more children than they wanted - some at the expense of their health - because they could not afford to pay for contraception.
    The policy also exposed women to violence from husbands who did not want to abstain from sex, the rights groups found in an earlier report, and meant more women were resorting to illegal and unsafe abortions.
    Mr Atienza is no longer mayor - he is now secretary for the Department of Environment - and his replacement Alfredo Lim is currently looking at the issue.
    But EO 003 remains in place and there are no plans to start providing free contraceptives again - not even condoms for sex workers.
    "The city will not use funds for the procurement of contraceptives - not when we have a budget deficit of more than 1bn pesos," said Dr Gina Pardilla of Manila City health department.
    "We need the money for other social and health needs."


    'Held hostage'

    The plaintiffs argue that EO 003 violates the constitution - which gives couples the right to plan a family in accordance with their beliefs - as well as several international conventions to which the Philippines is a signatory.
    Similar orders have been enacted in two other areas, which is why Elizabeth Pangalangan, Reprocen director and a lawyer for the petitioners, says it is important that the case sets a legal precedent.
    "We want to say that this cannot be done in Manila or anywhere else," she said.
    The group will take their case to international courts if necessary.
    Success in the courts would be welcomed by a silent majority, Professor Tan said, citing surveys which show most Filipinos want access to family planning.
    "Demand is very clear, but the problem is that the Catholic Church works on the supply side, getting to politicians like Mayor Atienza and threatening them with the so-called Catholic vote."
    A court decision might also embolden government officials to implement nationwide policies, he said.
    "The Department of Health is currently held hostage to the views of Arroyo - officials fear that they will lose their jobs if they promote family planning."
    "A court decision would free people by taking away the Sword of Damocles hanging over them."




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    Published: 2008/02/11 00:54:24 GMT

    © BBC MMVIII
    Do those lieberals have no shame?


  • Old Iron Crotch
    SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
    • May 2007
    • 3056

    #2
    Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

    Originally posted by Juliette View Post
    Do those lieberals have no shame?

    While I don't think it's the government's resposibility to provide it, I do believe that people have the right to use any copntraceptive methods they wish.
    Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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    • Unfalsifiable
      Forum Member
      Forum Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 836

      #3
      Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

      Whenever people talk about Papists my blood boils and I get angry and irrational. I feel like attacking things like some kind of animal. I must calm myself down and remember to love them and pray that they will get themselves back on the right track before they are brought forth to be judged.

      That being said, why do these people want to murder seeds? If they don't want babies don't have sex... simple. And if they are not married they shouldn't be fornicating anyway. Am I right?
      READ THE BIBLE

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      • Old Iron Crotch
        SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
        • May 2007
        • 3056

        #4
        Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

        Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post
        Whenever people talk about Papists my blood boils and I get angry and irrational. I feel like attacking things like some kind of animal. I must calm myself down and remember to love them and pray that they will get themselves back on the right track before they are brought forth to be judged.

        That being said, why do these people want to murder seeds? If they don't want babies don't have sex... simple. And if they are not married they shouldn't be fornicating anyway. Am I right?

        A sperm cell is not a person, and therefore cannot be murdered.

        And while I don't agree that you must be married in order to have sex, iif you go back and re-read the article, you will see that these are married couples.
        Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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        • Talitha
          Deaconess
          Gracious, genteel, kind, tender, and warm True Christian™ Sister
          True Christian™
          • Oct 2025
          • 15118

          #5
          Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

          Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

          That being said, why do these people want to murder seeds? If they don't want babies don't have sex... simple. And if they are not married they shouldn't be fornicating anyway. Am I right?
          They are Philipino. They can't help it.
          Something in the nature of these Hellbound people makes them either want to have sex all of the time while the rest of the population become Ladyboys.
          It's a disgusting state of affairs.

          Sister Talitha

          Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


          HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
          being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41



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          • Unfalsifiable
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            • Jan 2008
            • 836

            #6
            Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

            Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
            A sperm cell is not a person, and therefore cannot be murdered.

            And while I don't agree that you must be married in order to have sex, iif you go back and re-read the article, you will see that these are married couples.
            Why do you get to decide when something is murdered in Gods eyes or not? A seed exists, batting a seed out on your own is killing the seed. Does it make more sense to say the seed has been killed, murdered, whatever or that the seed never existed or never had anima?
            READ THE BIBLE

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            • Old Iron Crotch
              SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
              • May 2007
              • 3056

              #7
              Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

              Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post
              Why do you get to decide when something is murdered in Gods eyes or not? A seed exists, batting a seed out on your own is killing the seed. Does it make more sense to say the seed has been killed, murdered, whatever or that the seed never existed or never had anima?

              If you want to look at it that way, you "murder" millions of skin cells every time you shower. I guess next you'll want to male soap a controlled substance.
              Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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              • Unfalsifiable
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                • Jan 2008
                • 836

                #8
                Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
                If you want to look at it that way, you "murder" millions of skin cells every time you shower. I guess next you'll want to male soap a controlled substance.
                Are skin cells seed for potential life, designed specifically to swim up a vagina and impregnate an egg?
                READ THE BIBLE

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                • Old Iron Crotch
                  SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
                  • May 2007
                  • 3056

                  #9
                  Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                  Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post
                  Are skin cells seed for potential life, designed specifically to swim up a vagina and impregnate an egg?
                  Skin cells are as alive as as sperm cells - and since only one sperm makes it to the egg, millions die even if a pregnancy does occur.
                  Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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                  • SalvationSeeker
                    True Christian™ Theologian
                    Forum Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 3892

                    #10
                    Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                    Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
                    Skin cells are as alive as as sperm cells - and since only one sperm makes it to the egg, millions die even if a pregnancy does occur.
                    You're avoiding the question..
                    What a surprise that is, though.
                    If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                    A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                    Proverbs 9:12-13

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                    • Old Iron Crotch
                      SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
                      • May 2007
                      • 3056

                      #11
                      Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                      Originally posted by SalvationSeeker View Post
                      You're avoiding the question..
                      What a surprise that is, though.

                      I'm not avoiding anything, but I'll clarify my answer just for you.

                      Since only one sperm cell in an ejaculate makes it to the egg, you can't say that all sperm cells are supposed to become half a zygote. If they were, there would be as many eggs ovulated as there are sperm cells in the ejaculate, and women would give birth to litters instead of one baby at a time.
                      Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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                      • SalvationSeeker
                        True Christian™ Theologian
                        Forum Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 3892

                        #12
                        Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                        Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
                        I'm not avoiding anything, but I'll clarify my answer just for you.

                        Since only one sperm cell in an ejaculate makes it to the egg, you can't say that all sperm cells are supposed to become half a zygote. If they were, there would be as many eggs ovulated as there are sperm cells in the ejaculate, and women would give birth to litters instead of one baby at a time.
                        You didn't answer his question, thus you avoided it. You yap on about that which is irrelevant instead.
                        Are you denying that sperm cells are "designed specifically to swim up a vagina and impregnate an egg"?

                        Seems like someone needs a biology lesson..
                        If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                        A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                        Proverbs 9:12-13

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                        • Old Iron Crotch
                          SATAN'S FAVORITE BONIFIED PERVERT!
                          • May 2007
                          • 3056

                          #13
                          Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                          Originally posted by SalvationSeeker View Post
                          You didn't answer his question, thus you avoided it. You yap on about that which is irrelevant instead.
                          Are you denying that sperm cells are "designed specifically to swim up a vagina and impregnate an egg"?

                          Seems like someone needs a biology lesson..

                          I don't deny that the function of a sperm cell is to fertilize an egg. I do maintain that recreational sex is NOT murder of sperm.
                          Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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                          • Unfalsifiable
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                            • Jan 2008
                            • 836

                            #14
                            Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                            By murder we mean: "kill intentionally and with premeditation". By blasting a load in to a woman you don't want to kill them, you want them to make it to the egg, the fact that most die on their journey is why we have so many.

                            Batting one off and sending them all over yourself, or fornicating and spewing them in to a condom, you are intentionally, with premeditation, sending them all to their death. They are the life of a human being, you have no right to decide that they aren't, you send them to a stick grave and forgo their function, you are murdering.

                            Skin cells are designed in the way they are designed, if you start intentionally burning yourself or something God wont be pleased either.
                            READ THE BIBLE

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                            • SalvationSeeker
                              True Christian™ Theologian
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                              • Sep 2006
                              • 3892

                              #15
                              Re: Filipinian harlots demands unGodly fornication.

                              Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
                              I do maintain that recreational sex is NOT murder of sperm.
                              Indeed you do.
                              It's just too bad (for you) that you have no arguments nor facts in support of your case.
                              And it's people with crazy and illogical beliefs like yours who'se responsible for the mess the world is in today.
                              If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                              A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                              Proverbs 9:12-13

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