[jawjaw]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

That's the whole problem with you false Christians, you don't want to hear the truth. The fact that the Godless are ignorant is well documented...

By the way, the first line of the message you quoted read:
"As a God fearing person, whom believes that the Bible and the words held within are the truth without negotiation, I do have to ask a couple of questions."

How then, would you come to the conclusion that I am "Godless"?

Why can't a single one of the Truth Ministers TM answer one of the questions without condemning me to hell, mis-quoting, and threatening me with child services about something they mis-quoted in the first place? The actions all of you have displayed does not seem very fitting for supposedly Godly people.

If you are ministers of the Gospel, as you self affixed label claims you are, then you should be happy to answer questions about the Lord and help the people you assume are sinners. Not a single one of you so called ministers have done a single thing but try to condemn me. Purposefully going out of the way to make sure I would seem like a demonic fool, whom is on a one way track to hell. Those are the people that the Bible says that we should try to help the most, yet not a single one of you who believe I am "Godless" have tried to do anything more than judge and condemn me.

Trust me, I have a God, and I am well aware of the justifications of my actions. The question is, are you aware of the justification of your actions? You claim to grasp on to the Lords word, yet you don't practice it? You judge, when it is God's place to judge. You preach, yet you do not listen. You find evil, when you should be searching for good. You condemn, when you should help.

I would be ashamed to display such actions, especially after displaying the words Truth Minister TM on such replies as you have to me.

[jawjaw]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Please quote the scripture that backs up your claim. Exactly what "words of the Bible" are we violating?

Luke 6:37
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

Matthew 7:1-6: Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Members of the Truth Ministers TM have condemned others and myself, whom of which you do not even know. Just as "Deaner" has said, I will burn in hell. Is that not condemnation?

I have been judged as a sinner, condemned for being so. There in making those have condemned, to be condemned also. There for they are not living the life of Christ they claim they do, making them a Hypocrite, which as you can see, would not be walking the religious path in which you claim to walk.

I started out on here just searching answers. I became under criticism for asking questions. I got threatened to have Child Services called because they mis-quoted. How is that appealing to God in any way, form, or fasion? Does the Bible not command you to help the sinners seek the Lord? I have been judged a sinner, condemned to hell for it, yet not a single one of you who believe so have came to help me seek out the Lord.

That is the main point I wish to make. How can you spread the Gospel of Christ, when all you do is judge and condemn? How can you bring sinners to the Lord, when you don't even try to help them understand? That is not living the way the Jesus Christ lived. He searched for the lost souls, so that he may minister to them. Your association tries to condemn and judge, never trying to help in any way shape or form.

Perhaps it is not as much of a specific verse as it is you want people to believe you live a life for Christ, yet you don't even attempt to help the lost people. That is what the Lord was sent to earth for. We were all lost before Christ was crucified, due to the sin of Adam and Eve. Was not Christ crucified so that his blood would cleanse us of our sins. Jesus died for sinners, yet you can't even help lead them to knowing Him. Instead you try to judge and condemn. That is where I think you are going more against the Bible, than with it.

[jawjaw]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Sorry, I meant True Christians TM and pretty much many of the people whom have deemed my words as almost blasphemous. I just was trying to help people see that there may be a better way to reach people than judgment and condemnation.

With that, I will no longer be posting. I am not out to start some religious war, as I believe we all believe in the same God. I just was hoping to open up some really interesting conversations, which has rendered nothing but hatred and trouble.

May God bless us ALL.

JWJWJW

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Leviticus 19:15
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

We don't use false Bibles here, pal.

True Christians™ are commanded by God to judge the unsaved, the witches, the queers, and so on.

[jawjaw]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Leviticus 19:15
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

We don't use false Bibles here, pal.

True Christians™ are commanded by God to judge the unsaved, the witches, the queers, and so on.

Nor did I claim you did use a false Bible. I have been saved and baptised, I am not a witch, I know the consequences of the actions of homosexuals by the actions of God toward Sodom and Gomorrah (which is a perfect example of why not to live that lifestyle). Yet you assume I am? It must be assumed that I am, as I was judged, without even the slightest thought that I was not the people you claim to judge against.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

How can you judge me from within, when you do not even know who or what I have within? How do you assume I am without God? Why do you assume I am a wicked person, by simply asking questions about your faith?

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

How do you know I am not spiritual? If I am spiritual, then I should be not be judged by you nor your associates according to this passage. For your and your associates are man as well (even if spiritual men). You don't know me, so how do you assume I am not spiritual? Is it due to the fact that I questioned your methods of bringing people to know Christ?

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Do you consider your judgment of me righteous? I believe that a righteous judgment would consist of knowing what value the person holds in regards of God. I know your judgment was not based on appearance, due to the fact you never have seen me. I don't think it is right to base a judgment of someone without understanding what is within them, unlike what has happened to me on this forum.

Leviticus 19:15
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Once again, I question you this, do you believe your assessment and judgment of me is fair and righteous? I have expressed nothing that would be against the word of God to my knowledge. If you don't know anything about a person, how would you be making a righteous judgment?


Truth is, I am not the things you have judged me as. I am not out to do any disservice to God. I just questioned how a few members shunned, spurned, judged, and condemned possible lost people, instead of helping them understand the Word and Will of God. If we are born into sin, then somewhere, somehow, someway, the members of your church, and you yourself was introduced into the way of the Lord. Which means you were at one time a sinner, but some one reached out to you, instead of condemning and judging you. Yet you are unwilling to do the same for others? As a pastor, why would you take that stance? Answer me this, do you have children? If so, do/will/did you judge, condemn, and separate yourself from them since they are/is/were sinners?

Since Adam, Eve, and the first sin, people have shared their knowledge of the God to people who don't know him or are sinners. This had to be, or you would not know God yourself, due to no one would have told you about God because you were "Godless", wicked, and a sinner when you were born. What would have happened had no one shared knowledge of God, due to the fact that the person was either a sinner, or had yet come to know God?

[Don the Baptist]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

I've played FPS (first person shooters) for years, I even began with the Wolfenstein 3D and then Doom1 and so on and look at me, I'm still haven't got any urge to get out and kill people. Now I still play Quake3 once in a while. I also Play Silent Hunter III (A WW2 submarine simulator) and I still haven't got out and torpedoed a ship. LOL

Oh, Glory - now I am beginning to understand your incoherent psycho babble and queer loving disposition....

I retired from the US Navy after a career of real Submarine Service and can tell you for a scientific fact that 67% of people who "pretend" to be on a Submarine are gay. My suspicion is that you fall into that statistic head first.

24 empty missile tubes, 24 mushroom clouds - now it's Miller Time.

[snottyduck]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Oh, Glory - now I am beginning to understand your incoherent psycho babble and queer loving disposition....

I retired from the US Navy after a career of real Submarine Service and can tell you for a scientific fact that 67% of people who "pretend" to be on a Submarine are gay. My suspicion is that you fall into that statistic head first.

24 empty missile tubes, 24 mushroom clouds - now it's Miller Time.

Link me the page where I can find that "scientific fact", then I my have a deeper look into that (excuse the pun).

As stated before in my introduction, I'm not gay. I have a girlfriend and am perfectly happy with her. Actually, it's a fact that those who franticly oppose gay people are often gay too, this is because they are in denial.

[Don the Baptist]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Link me the page where I can find that "scientific fact", then I my have a deeper look into that (excuse the pun).

Common knowledge does not require references, everyone knows that people that pretend to be on a submarine are queer, I mean come on - why pretend that you are hundreds of feet below the surface going 4 knots to nowhere, pokin' holes in the ocean if you don't have to? Not to mention all that lovely 60 cycle fluorescent sunshine, diesel smoke and reconstituted food. That's queer. I might even go so far as to say that 100% of people that pretend to be on a submarine are queer after reading my own post. I shudder to think back on those days.

[thrrowaway]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

No, people with shaved heads, long black coats, and guns are never goths!

How do you know his mental issues were not due to games? Do you know more than the press? Because they sure a hell didn't know.

Little white lie to protect your stupid game eh?

Won't wash here friend. This game must be destroyed, period.

Damn. Its kinda like mental issues can come from genetics... And abuse... and stress... But the games that supply endless fun and joy for new generations are the issue with society nowadays.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

Damn.

Strong language is never welcome.

[thrrowaway]

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Strong language is never welcome.

Sorry, i consider the word to be a tier 2 swear. (tier 3 = dang. 2= the word i used. 1= the worst) Sorry about that though

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Grand Theft Auto 4 : THE VIOLENCE BEGINS!

games that supply endless fun and joy for new generations are the issue with society nowadays.

I'm glad to see you've worked out that rubbish like the Grand Auto Theft are major factors in societal dysfunction.

They sit there in their wooden chairs staring at maniacs running around stealing things and for all I know shooting nerve gas into trains, just for fun you understand, or blowing one another up or selling their parents to slave traders with plenty of theft and debauchery and drunkenness and drugs everywhere it revolts me! Is there any reference to prayer? The need for Salvation, the certainty of everlasting torture 100% of babies are born deserving, God's requirements for making things right again? How could anyone consider such degradation!

God has made a way back to knowing Him, not because we deserve it but because we don't and He doesn't want us to suffer. Hell is very unpleasant but the issue with society nowadays is that no-one cares about God when playing on the device console. Evil is as good as it gets. How do we know? Because can you really imagine someone pretending to steal a sports-car driving along firing off machine-guns or bombs or nerve gas thinking how glad they are that Jesus died to set them free?