[Jesus is Lord]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Look, hillbilly, when a room is dark, and you turn on a light, the time it takes for light to fill the room is the speed at which light is moving. It's moving at such a rate that your eye can't see it as moving.

This has been debunked more than once in this thread.

Try reading a book.

Lisa, like all True Christians™, reads the only book that matters, The KJV 1611 Bible.

And stop questioning men. You're just a woman. The Bible says not to question a man. Learn your place, and keep your mouth shut.

That comment is very sexist of you. The Bible tells women to obey their husbands and other True Christian™ men, not Unsaved Trash such as yourself.

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Take this as you will, but this is a summary of scientific understanding:

The Milky Way Galaxy is 100,000 light years across, so stars within our own galaxy are confined within that distance. Other galaxies are millions of light years away.

According to current scientific understanding, there are a number of reasons we can see the stars. First of all, the Universe is considered to be 13.7 billion years old. Many stars have ignited and burned out during this time. Depending on the size of a star, it can last for millions, billions, or even trillions of years (for very small stars).

The stars we see are often as bright as the sun (the sun is a star) and some are even brighter. Because of the light-years of distance, they appear as points of light. Closer stars are brighter, which is why the Centauri stars are so bright at 4 light years away.

Light travels extremely fast, but the universe is extremely vast. The stars we see appear as they did in the past. So a star 10 light years away sheds light on us that is 10 years old by the time it reaches us. and so on.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The Milky Way Galaxy is 100,000 light years across

Interesting theory but I am sure you have no proof of that. No one has lived long enough to verify this claim.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

........... The stars we see appear as they did in the past. .........

Impossible.

You cannot see into the past. I can see about 5 miles on a clear day. I cannot see me driving my Porsche n the past ever. You think I just off a turnip truck?

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I'm not sure why I was infracted for that message. I wasn't even debating, I was stating scientific understanding. If you don't want to believe it, ok. But if you're going to talk about science, even in disagreement, you should see what exactly science is saying.

Interesting theory but I am sure you have no proof of that. No one has lived long enough to verify this claim.

Scientists use all kinds of careful measurements to come up with their figures.

Impossible.

You cannot see into the past. I can see about 5 miles on a clear day. I cannot see me driving my Porsche n the past ever. You think I just off a turnip truck?

I realize it sounds strange. In common experience (such as driving), this effect doesn't happen, or it's so minuscule that it's not noticeable.

But when dealing with the vast distances of astronomy, strange things happen. The speed of light is considered to be about 186,000 miles per second - extremely fast, but not instantaneous. If light takes 20 years to travel from a star to us, that light is 20 years old when we see it. So it is like looking back in time.

As I was saying in my first paragraph, I'm simply presenting the statements of science. If an atheist argued against Christianity without reading the King James New Testament, surely you'd rebuke them. Likewise, I'm presenting the arguments of science, so you can take from them what you will - or reject them. I'm just trying to be helpful.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Scientists use all kinds of careful measurements to come up with their figures.

That is just a fancy way of saying they make up stuff all the time.

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

That is just a fancy way of saying they make up stuff all the time.

Lol, maybe. But you can read about stellar distances, standard candles, equations and so on. They've worked out a complex system for studying Gods creation. Like I was saying in another thread, science doesn't have to be against religion - in spite of what atheists say, they often agree.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If what you were saying were true, we could see the beginning and end of light beams. We could catch the light between mirrors. The Earth would be aglow form the candles of 5,999 years ago. All hogwash~!

[Brother Enoch]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If light takes 20 years to travel from a star to us, that light is 20 years old when we see it. So it is like looking back in time.

Yeah, okay.

20 year old light, lol. Go into any room in your house, turn on the lights then turn them out. What happens? It gets dark. Instantly. The room isn't bright for the next 20 years. Honestly, do you Scientist types even think about how ridiculous what you say, sounds?

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If what you were saying were true, we could see the beginning and end of light beams. We could catch the light between mirrors. The Earth would be aglow form the candles of 5,999 years ago. All hogwash~!

We can't observe the beginning or end of light beams since they travel so fast. And light continues to travel away from its point of origin - meaning that light from 6000 years ago would have long since scattered, and would currently be 6000 light years away.

Whether you follow the scientific view of things is up to you. But they have accomplished quite a bit.

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Yeah, okay.

20 year old light, lol. Go into any room in your house, turn on the lights then turn them out. What happens? It gets dark. Instantly. The room isn't bright for the next 20 years. Honestly, do you Scientist types even think about how ridiculous what you say, sounds?

Yes, because a room is small enough so that you won't even notice the light speed delay. The effect is only noticeable when there are vast distances involved.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Yes, because a room is small enough so that you won't even notice the light speed delay. The effect is only noticeable when there are vast distances involved.

Nice try. But light either lasts 20 years or it doesn't. I can tell you right now it doesn't simply by turning off the lights in my house. Do you have any other fantasies you'd like me to clear up for you.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Yes, because a room is small enough so that you won't even notice the light speed delay. The effect is only noticeable when there are vast distances involved.

Light delay? What the heck is that? I think what Brother Enoch was asking is where does the light go? How come it just doesn't bounce around inside the room forever?

See, if light from stars can go on forever, how come we even need electricity to make light? It should just be bouncing off walls forever according to you.

[xcalibur1]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Nice try. But light either lasts 20 years or it doesn't. I can tell you right now it doesn't simply by turning off the lights in my house. Do you have any other fantasies you'd like me to clear up for you.

As far as we know, light can last any length of time if it is not absorbed. Light can travel through space for many years, since it is going through a vacuum (emptiness). In a room, it is absorbed by the walls.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

As far as we know, light can last any length of time if it is not absorbed. Light can travel through space for many years, since it is going through a vacuum (emptiness). In a room, it is absorbed by the walls.

So this is space now? You people are nuts. You make no sense whatsoever!