[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

Fallacy: post hoc, egro propter hoc -- "after this, therefore because of this"

Simply being suicidal does not make one homicdial. I agree that suicidal people should be, in some way, rounded up--but to help them, not to imprison them.


Someone--Pastor Jim I believe--stated that statistics show the majority of school shootings are committed by atheists and/or emos. I don't have to do any research to agree with that.

However, I do not believe they will eventually turn to murdering Christians specifically. Granted, a large majority of the people they murder are most likely Christian (probably false Christians, as you guys call them) simply because a large majority of America is Christian. Correlation is not causation.

This is a slippery slope fallacy. We can't assume that because they are suicidal, or even homicidal, that they will eventually target Christians.



That sounds much more reasonable than locking up 100% of them.

While you have valid points friend I think you are overlooking that we are talking about atheists here. Their whole lives are defined by a rage against God. "Anti-God" is in the very name they chose to identify themselves with.

Take this example of a God hating atheist; PZ Myers Myers is an elitist collage professor who, drunk on tax payer money has taken to running a personal persecution of Christians of all kinds..Here is a report from a speech Myers recently gave

http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/141260.html

Look at the mindless, corrosive hate there; "religion is like organized crime" and he compares it to a juvenile fantasy game. So to Myers morality is just a form of extortion. When you get down to it, the difference between someone like Myers and a suicide bomber is only a matter of degree to which they are willing to hurt themselves to hurt their enemy.

[EightyEight]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

You are right, but a suicidal person has no deterrent.

True. They find no meaning in their existence, and therefore see no meaning in existence whatsoever, which includes the laws "prohibiting" them from committing suicide. It's a sad situation indeed.

Yet... would you feel comfortable living in a society where there is no law against murder?

Of course not, but there is law against murder, and as far as I know, against [attempted] suicide as well (though the punishment isn't as stringent, of course).

If you are sitting next to a muslim man who is nervously going "allahallahalahh" while fidgeting with something, will you think "ARGH, BOMB!" or will you think "the poor fellow is having trouble with his iPod".

Unfortunately, that's probably true. I try not to adhere to such stereotypes, but it's very difficult sometimes.

Agreed, but we surely agree that there is neither secular nor Biblical deterrence to such a person. Basically, from the perspective of a suicidal atheist (or any suicidal person, for that matter), it is as though all the laws that ever existence are suddenly void.

I can agree with that. Again, it's a very unfortunate situation.


I think your intentions are good, because God and religion has helped a great many people, many of whom were no doubt suicidal/homicidal. I think there are many people who agree that such people should be institutionalized and treated, just not executed

[GOD=life]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

Of course not, but there is law against murder, and as far as I know, against [attempted] suicide as well (though the punishment isn't as stringent, of course).

Yes, but only because you acknowledge that law. It's only "works" after the fact. From a materialist perspective, there is nothing stopping you from taking a gun and randomly shooting people. The only laws you cannot escape from are the ones that govern how fast the bullet will travel, how deeply it will penetrate into your target, etc.

Or, put another way: if you knew you were going to die within 24 hours, wouldn't you feel free to do anything you liked? What can the law do to you? Imprison you for a day?

A True Christian has two deterrents:

1. (minor) secular law
2. (major) Biblical law (which also tells us to follow secular law

So if you have a person where neither (1) nor (2) is in effect, we have a potential problem. Now fortunately, not every suicidal person is homicidal (I agree with you on that point), but this situation could be just a copycat idea away. But even if a single live can be saved, that'd be worth it. Combine that with the potential to save souls......

I think there are many people who agree that such people should be institutionalized and treated, just not executed

Oh, they shouldn't be executed. That would interfere with their free will. They should be blocked from murdering themselves until they had a chance to read the entire KJV 1611 Bible. Then they can make an informed decision.

Also keep in mind that from a purely utilitarian perspective, it's a no-loss situation: they are people who would not be alive if left to their own devices.

They should be given professional treatment that consists of:

• Thorough study of the KJV 1611 Bible and prayer
• Therapy to figure out how exactly they offended God so that they can fix their mistake and be blessed

The potential benefits are enormous and not "just" for the infinite life but also for the finite one.

[SUV]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

Athians and emus should all be rounded up and sent over to Ofcr Don Richards. A-MEN

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

It has been statistically proven that 97% of school shootings and mass murders done between 1990-2008 were at the hands of atheists, goths, or emos. You can't argue with the cold, hard facts.

Would you please point us to that study?

We ought to treat other people the way Christ wanted us to treat them. Don't you agree?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12

[GOD=life]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

We ought to treat other people the way Christ wanted us to treat them. Don't you agree?

What are you proposing? That we let tens of thousands of people just murder themselves every year and possibly others? This of course in addition to babies who never even get to open their eyes just because it's inconvenient to someone.

It's a little desperate that you would pick a measure that could save many lives as some twisted angle to accuse us of hypocrisy at the expense of innocent people.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

We ought to treat other people the way Christ wanted us to treat them. Don't you agree?

Sounds fine.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.--Luke 19:27

[SUV]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

Depends on wheather or not one believes that suicide is a sin. I just think it's the coward's way out and should be paid for after death.

Imagine the amount of cowardice it takes to put a Gun to your head or jump off a bridge. Truly astounding; such big sissies.

And obviously GOD Hates cowards, as it is the biggest sin there is. Throwing away the Life He has give us, in whatever its form

[A Follower]

Re: Should suicidal atheists/emos be locked up to protect society

Fallacy: post hoc, egro propter hoc -- "after this, therefore because of this"

Simply being suicidal does not make one homicdial.

You are quite wrong about that.

Atheists don't have a set of moral codes, they don't listen to God who tells us all what we can and can't do. So what atheists usually do is to simply treat others as they want to be treated. This means that when an atheist wants to die he has no other option but to think all other humans must want to die as well! That's when the school shootings happen