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Does Satan Work For God? -
06-20-2010, 10:12 PM
FACT - According to traditional Jewish interpretation, Satan is an angel of good-standing with God, whose job it is to test people. He has no free will of his own.
FACT - The story of a rebellious Archangel called Lucifer who wages war in heaven and is cast into hell never appears in the Bible.
So I've been reading the Bible, and there are a few passages that lead me to believe Satan is not the bad guy he is portrayed as being. It seems God actually controls everything he does. Can you True Christians explain this for me?
1) Who led Jesus into the desert?
Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Here it says the Holy Spirit, who just descended on Jesus after his baptism, led Jesus away to be tempted by the Devil. Does this mean God wanted Satan tempt Jesus? Does God want Satan to tempt all of us?
2) Who causes disease?
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
Throughout the Gospels, it says Jesus rebukes the devil out of sick people to cure them. It sounds like the devil is the cause of their illness. BUT...
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Here it says that God is responsible for all infirmities. How can this be? Does God WANT the devil to make people sick? Well, that's what Jesus said...
John 9:1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
3) Who is the lord of this world?
Mostly, the Bible says that God is the Lord of everything, like in this passage...
Joshua 2:11 For the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
BUT, in some other passages, it is said the devil is the lord of the world, like this one:
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.
How can the devil be lord of the world, if God is lord over all? Unless God allows him to be.
4) Who owns the earth?
The most high God, possessor of heaven and earth.... Genesis 14:19,
The devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee. Matthew 4:8-9
How can the devil offer Jesus what belongs to God?
5) Who is the Morning Star?
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Christians sometimes claim this passage talks about the origin of Satan as a rebellious archangel named Lucifer. However, read in context, this passage is clearly talking about the King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. Lucifer is not a name, but a Greek word meaning Morning Star. The only other person called the Morning Star in the Bible is Jesus...
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
6) Satan is NOT one of the rebellious angels locked up in hell
The Bible mentions some angels who have fallen, like in this passage.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.
This says the angels are chained in darkness. However, the Bible repeatedly says Satan is free to roam.
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
7) The Devil is called God's son!
In the book of Job, Satan is described as being a son of God.
The sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
Now, as I understand it Jesus is God's only BEGOTTEN Son, so that is not necessarily a contradiction. But the Bible describes who can become a regular plain son of God.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God. -- John 1:12
Did Satan "receive" Jesus?
8) Did Satan help bring about salvation?
The Bible tells us that Satan entered Judas to force him to betray Jesus.
Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
But this was God's plan all along.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
This means Satan was helping God's plan along. Jesus even knew that Judas was possessed when he chose him as an apostle.
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
9) Satan teaches people not to blaspheme
The Bible says that those that blaspheme should be delivered unto Satan, so that they may learn not to. Does this mean Satan is helping people get closer to God?
Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:20
10) Satan and God's names used interchangeably in the Bible!
2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
These two passages, describing the same event, name different people as David tempter. One said God tempted David, the other says it was Satan. What's the solution here?
11) Satan - prince of the power of the air?
This is the strange title given to Satan by St. Paul.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Some have interpreted this to mean the devil is behind all storms. However, the Bible also says that is God's dominion.
Jeremiah 30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
12) The Whole Friggin' Book of Job!!!
In this book, Satan is not in hell, but wanders through the earth and attends meetings in heaven with the angels where he reports to God. WTF?! Apparently, Satan needs God's permission to hurt people, since he has to ask God to hurt Job. God allows him, even though Job never sinned. Also, the book seems to disagree who is responsible for Job's troubles:
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. 13) Satan saves people?
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
14) Who forces non-believers to disbelieve?
John says it's God:
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Paul says it's Satan:
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. 15) Jesus and Satan - both like lions.
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. -- Revelation 5:5
Your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. -- 1 Peter 5:8
16) The both existed before the world was created.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -- John 1:1
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? ... When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? -- Job 38:4-7
17) Knowledge.
Satan tempted Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
But one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is knowledge, so God must want people to have that, so Satan must have been doing what God wanted.
Isaiah 11: 2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
18) AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WHERE DOES EVIL COME FROM?
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Some Christians take this passage to mean Satan causes all the evil in the world. But the Bible tells us...
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-20-2010, 10:22 PM
I suggest you read the Book Of Job.
That will answer your questions. God, for His reasons, allows satan to do as he will within the parameters that God sets forth as described in the first chapter of the book of Job. God is sovereign over all His creation which includes satan. We are not told in that book that God did or did not tell satan what to do to Job. Satan did what he thought would make Job curse God to his face. God did limit the scope of satan's activities though.
Remember: Isaiah 45:7 as you have quoted it.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-20-2010, 11:01 PM
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...but a Greek word meaning Morning Star.
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Lucifer is latin and means; light-bearer. Just for the record
But nice work besides that.
"To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath" Rom 2:7-8
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogdana Alkeav
FACT - According to traditional Jewish interpretation, Satan is blahblahblah joo lies
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SCREEEECH!!
Who cares what the joos think?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 04:13 AM
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SCREEEECH!!
Who cares what the joos think?
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well, they kinda had the Old Testament first. they've been studying that thing for millenia, they may know a thing or two about it.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 09:18 AM
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well, they kinda had the Old Testament first. they've been studying that thing for millenia, they may know a thing or two about it.
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Joos do not know anything. They are wrong. Only us Christians know about the Bible and God. What kind of Religion plays with a dradle anyway? They use it to gamble!
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 09:37 AM
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well, they kinda had the Old Testament first. they've been studying that thing for millenia, they may know a thing or two about it.
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No they didn't have the Old Testament first at all. They had the Tanakh. It is unfortunately and commonly mistakenly (as you have just done ) referred to as the Old Testament.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 10:36 AM
This Bogdana person is of course an unsaveable commie russky mocker. God, who made all the rocks He made look really old by squeezing them up, swapping their minerals around, and speeding up the rates of atomic decay, does not need to explain Himself to such as these. If they see contradiction in the Word of God it is because they themselves are irredeemable sinners and will burn in Hell alongside Mr. Charles Darwin.
I will pray for them. But I don't think it will help.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 10:41 AM
Listen up, Bogdana. If your all-consuming hatred of Our Lord hadn't kept you from using the search function, you'd know that we already have a thread discussing who incited David to number the people.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 10:53 AM
Hi Bogdana. I see you started a new thread but being I am busy being immersed in the blod of Our Lord®, it is tl;dr.
How about coming to the point. If you can say what you want to communicate in a few sentences, perhaps you can draw an occassional reader in away from more important things.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
06-22-2010, 03:05 PM
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How about coming to the point. If you can say what you want to communicate in a few sentences, perhaps you can draw an occassional reader in away from more important things.
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Brother, let me summarize Bogdana's rants for you: "I want all of you to be my neighbors in hell."
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 08:23 AM
Does she ever actually respond to any of her threads? I'm amazed the Pastors are this tolerant with her, letting her spew her filth all over the boards without actually acknowledging anyone trying to discuss it with her.
Are we really sure she's not just a spambot in disguise?
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 08:38 AM
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Does she ever actually respond to any of her threads? I'm amazed the Pastors are this tolerant with her, letting her spew her filth all over the boards without actually acknowledging anyone trying to discuss it with her.
Are we really sure she's not just a spambot in disguise?
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Sister,
She rarely if ever replies to anything. Most of the time she is talking to herself anyway. I think the Pastor's perhaps see her as one of those crazies who walk around yelling gibberish and nonsense with occasional profanity.. oh.. what are they called? Oh...yes.. Democrats and those with The Tourettes. (aka demon possessed)
I see it as them showing pure True Christian love, tolerance and kindness letting that ruski freak even on here... as can you imagine it out in PUBLIC?
At least here, her maniacal rants are contained so no one else has to suffer her psychotic rants.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 08:42 AM
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At least here, her maniacal rants are contained so no one else has to suffer her psychotic rants.
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I never thought of that.....
I wonder how her husband deals with her. Or if she is unmarried, what does her father do about her maniacal out burts?
2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight:
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 08:55 AM
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I never thought of that.....
I wonder how her husband deals with her. Or if she is unmarried, what does her father do about her maniacal out burts?
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I don't know Sister TTP. Perhaps they lock her in the cellar. I cannot imagine any man tolerating her constant questions and ranting though!
I would say ask her, but gosh..is it worth it?
I have never seen her discuss recipes or even talk about cleaning either.
There is quite obviously something "kookie" in that commie camp!
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 08:57 AM
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I wonder how her husband deals with her.
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She has none, which clearly is her main problem. I vaguely remember her being almost married to a True Christian™ a while ago but the poor fellow seems to have escaped from this crazy woman just in time.
It's highly unlikely any man would ever want her to marry her. She will probably still be yapping on and on while she is burning in hell. I hope they put her close to Michael Jackson.
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Re: Does Satan Work For God? -
07-02-2010, 06:55 PM
Doesn't she have a father? How can a woman even call herself a woman without a father or husband to guide her?
Something must be done about this.
2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight:
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