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  • Rev. M. Rodimer
    Honorary True Christian™
    Forum Member
    • May 2008
    • 13996

    #1

    Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

    . . . and believe it or not, in spite of all the Juggalosers who come here daily claiming that ICP isn't "about religion", this isn't recent news.

    You might dismiss them as just unbelievably misogynist and aggressive, and it is true that their lyrics are indeed incredibly offensive. Take, for instance, at random:

    I'm hating sluts
    Shoot them in the face, step back and itch my nuts
    Unless I'm in the sack
    Cos I fuck so hard it'll break their back.

    ICP have been going for 20 years, always wearing clown make-up, which looks slightly lumpy because it's painted over their goatees. They've been banned from performing in various cities where juggalos have been implicated in murders and gang violence. ICP have a fearsome reputation, fostered by news reports showing teenagers in juggalo T-shirts arrested for stabbing strangers and lyrics like "Barrels in your mouth/bullets to your head/The back of your neck's all over the shed/Boomshacka boom chop chop bang."

    All of which made Violent J's announcement a few years ago really quite astonishing: Insane Clown Posse have this entire time secretly been evangelical Christians. They've only been pretending to be brutal and sadistic to trick their fans into believing in God. They released a song, Thy Unveiling, that spelt out the revelation beyond all doubt:

    Fuck it, we got to tell.
    All secrets will now be told
    No more hidden messages
    …Truth is we follow GOD!!!
    We've always been behind him
    The carnival is GOD
    And may all juggalos find him
    We're not sorry if we tricked you.

    The news shook the juggalo community to its core. While some fans claimed they'd actually had an inkling, having deciphered some of the hidden messages in several songs, others said they felt deeply betrayed and outraged: they'd been innocently enjoying all those songs about chopping people up and shooting women, and it was Christian rock?
    I will give them credit for their most recent number, "Miracles", which does in fact demonstrate a proper, Christian attitude toward science:

    I've come to Milwaukee because ICP have just released their most audacious Christian song to date: Miracles. In it, they list God's wonders that delight them each day:
    Hot lava, snow, rain and fog,
    Long neck giraffes, and pet cats and dogs
    Fuckin' rainbows after it rains
    There's enough miracles here to
    blow your brains.

    The song climaxes with them railing against the very concept of science:

    Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?
    And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
    Y'all motherfuckers lying and
    getting me pissed.
    That's right! Scientists are liars, making stuff up so people will not appreciate the wonder of God's Creation!

    They're now learning what it means to be Christian: Persecution.

    But they also seem melancholy and preoccupied with the negative critical response to Miracles. Saturday Night Live just parodied it ("Fuckin' blankets, how do they work?") and the internet is filled with amused and sometimes outraged science bloggers dissecting the lyrics. Violent J and Shaggy have been watching them, they tell me, feeling increasingly saddened and irate.

    "A college professor took two days out of her fucking life to specifically attack us," says Violent J. "Oh yeah, she had it all figured out."

    One of the ICP road crew locates the video on his iPhone, and it is indeed withering: "The [Miracles] video is not only dumb, but enthusiastically dumb, endorsing a ferocious breed of ignorance that can only be described as militant. The entire song is practically a tribute to not knowing things."

    "Fuck you, man," says Violent J. "Shut the fuck up."

    "Did you anticipate this kind of reaction?" I ask them.

    "No," sighs Violent J. "I figured most people would say, 'Wow, I didn't know Insane Clown Posse could be deep like that.' But instead it's, 'ICP said a giraffe is a miracle. Ha ha ha! What a bunch of idiots.'" He pauses, then adds defiantly, "A giraffe is a fucking miracle. It has a dinosaur-like neck. It's yellow. Yeah, technically an elephant is not a miracle. Technically. They've been here for hundreds of years…"

    "Thousands," murmurs Shaggy.

    "Have you ever stood next to an elephant, my friend?" asks Violent J. "A fucking elephant is a miracle. If people can't see a fucking miracle in a fucking elephant, then life must suck for them, because an elephant is a fucking miracle. So is a giraffe."

    We watch the video for another few seconds: "It becomes apparent that Shaggy and J consider any understanding of the actual workings of these 'miracles' to be corrosive. To them, knowledge is seen as a threat… For ICP a true understanding of 'fucking rainbows' would reduce them to, as Keats put it, 'the dull catalogue of common things'."

    Violent J shakes his head sorrowfully. "Who looks at the stars at night and says, 'Oh, those are gaseous forms of plutonium'?" he says. "No! You look at the stars and you think, 'Those are beautiful.'"

    Suddenly he glances at me. The woman in the video is bespectacled and nerdy. I am bespectacled and nerdy. Might I have a similar motive?

    "I don't know how magnets work," I say, to put him at his ease.

    "Nobody does, man!" he replies, relieved. "Magnetic force, man. What else is similar to that on this Earth? Nothing! Magnetic force is fascinating to us. It's right there, in your fucking face. You can feel them pulling. You can't see it. You can't smell it. You can't touch it. But there's a fucking force there. That's cool!"
    Vulgarity and lyrics about raping and murdering aside, the Insane Clown Posse in fact has a positive message. God creates miracles, and science is lies which diminish God's beauty.

    Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go write to some atheist who claims that "work[ing] my way from nothing to this sumptuously fleshy instantiation containing the complex residue of exploding stars is something I regard as a mark of considerable well-deserved pride" that he needs to get right with God.
    Bible boring? Nonsense!
    Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
    You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!
  • BelieverInGod
    Fourm Member
    Forum Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 9269

    #2
    Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

    They can call themselves whatever they want, I'm not going to let my boys listen to that garbage.
    Drama queen

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    • Billy Bob Jenkins
      Family Man of the Year 2010-2013
      About as Straight and Manly as you can get
      Hates anal sex. And trees.
      True Christian™
      • May 2010
      • 8337

      #3
      Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

      That's great that ICP have faith in the Lord, but they are going to have to suit up if they want to get into Heaven!

      Zephaniah 1:8 (King James Version) And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
      The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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      • Nobar King
        Municipal Code Archivist - Deuteronomy 28:58
        Christ's Guardian
        True Christian™
        • Sep 2007
        • 23748

        #4
        Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

        I think it's just a trick to fool Christian parents into buying their albums for their kids.
        May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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        • Palmer C. Eldrich
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          • Mar 2008
          • 349

          #5
          Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

          Watch this video and tell me that the attractive girl with the glasses isn't really a man:

          Things are going to get worse before they get better.

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          • Herbert Marning
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            Under Investigation
            • Oct 2010
            • 22

            #6
            Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

            Originally posted by Palmer C. Eldrich View Post
            Watch this video and tell me that the attractive girl with the glasses isn't really a man:

            "attractive"??
            1 Corinthians Chapter 13:11

            When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

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            • Cranky Old Man
              Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
              You kids get off his lawn!
               
              • Jan 2010
              • 22352

              #7
              Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

              Originally posted by Palmer C. Eldrich View Post
              Watch this video and tell me that the attractive girl with the glasses isn't really a man:
              Some people are so ugly that gender becomes irrelevant.
              5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
              To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
              James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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              • Herbert Marning
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                • Oct 2010
                • 22

                #8
                Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                Very true, but the mere thought of a man being attracted to another man abhors me, no matter how ugly that 2nd man may be. Surely it must have been some kind of misspelling.
                1 Corinthians Chapter 13:11

                When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

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                • Thicklette
                  WARNING - Muddlebrained jughead trash!
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 49

                  #9
                  Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                  Yes ICP are Christians. They have saved many Juggalos and Juggalettes with there music.

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                  • Rev. M. Rodimer
                    Honorary True Christian™
                    Forum Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 13996

                    #10
                    Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                    Originally posted by Thicklette View Post
                    Yes ICP are Christians. They have saved many Juggalos and Juggalettes with there music.
                    Really?

                    Then why are their followers still flinging feces at singers (and bottles, and rocks), and beating people up, and stabbing strangers?
                    Bible boring? Nonsense!
                    Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                    You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                    • Rev. M. Rodimer
                      Honorary True Christian™
                      Forum Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 13996

                      #11
                      Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                      Originally posted by Palmer C. Eldrich View Post
                      Watch this video and tell me that the attractive girl with the glasses isn't really a man:

                      I finally got to watch the video, Palmer, thanks for finding it.

                      I'm curious how this 21-year-old "Zinnia Jones" got to be a college professor!
                      Bible boring? Nonsense!
                      Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                      You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                      • sadistic_juggalo
                        Unsaved trash
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 4

                        #12
                        Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                        I myself believe in Christ. I'm also a JUGGALO. Yes ICP has touched many lifes with certain lyrics and songs. It may not be the best way to relay a message. The ones who have set and heard the message that they tell. Have found a way to God that no one else could. As for Juggaloism I'm not a follower. I believe that who made this so called faith needs to go back and re-educate theirselves. Study the lyrics and also study the BIBLE. The only reason people are against this is because its out of the norm that people are use to.

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                        • Levi Jones
                          Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                          Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                          Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                           
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 13930

                          #13
                          Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                          Originally posted by sadistic_juggalo View Post
                          I myself believe in Christ. I'm also a JUGGALO. Yes ICP has touched many lifes with certain lyrics and songs. It may not be the best way to relay a message. The ones who have set and heard the message that they tell. Have found a way to God that no one else could. As for Juggaloism I'm not a follower. I believe that who made this so called faith needs to go back and re-educate theirselves. Study the lyrics and also study the BIBLE. The only reason people are against this is because its out of the norm that people are use to.
                          You believe in Jesus, yet you like ICP? That's not possible unless you believe you are going to hell.

                          ICP "sings" of things like rape, murder, drunkeness, fornication and just about every other single sin out there.

                          Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
                          Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                          • sadistic_juggalo
                            Unsaved trash
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4

                            #14
                            Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                            You're two sentances are not worth this reply. The problem you all have is fear of losing control. You can't control everything. Anything new must automaticaly be bad. But can I ask you this how many people have you helped find God? ICP has helped thousands if not milions of people that the every day "CHURCH" has shun away.

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                            • Rev. Jim Osborne
                              True Christian™ Televangelist
                              Director of Fundraising and Tithing
                              On the Look Out for Wife #6!
                              True Christian™
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 8622

                              #15
                              Re: Insane Clown Posse claims to be evangelical Christians

                              Originally posted by sadistic_juggalo View Post
                              You're two sentances are not worth this reply. The problem you all have is fear of losing control. You can't control everything. Anything new must automaticaly be bad. But can I ask you this how many people have you helped find God? ICP has helped thousands if not milions of people that the every day "CHURCH" has shun away.
                              Yes, ICP has lured millions of innocent youth in Satanism and worshipping some "Carnival". I guess we can agree on that.

                              The simple fact remains: What ICP promotes and revels in is in contradiction to Christian principles. You can't just do what you want and say "I'm a Christian". It doesn't work that way. You have to be a Christian, which includes staying away from those horrible ICP songs about killing fetuses and raping your own mother.

                              Watch the #1 Televangelist Gospel Hour in the World! "Turn or Burn: Accept Christ or Go to Hell with Rev. Jim Osborne." Check your local cable listings.

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