IVF: Unnatural Children?

[Mrs. Paddy McIrish]

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

As a recently-promoted Forum Member, I would like to share that this is my very first new thread (besides my introduction)! I cannot express enough how grateful I am. Praise Jesus, and thank you all for this privilege!

Now, on to my conundrum ...

My dear husband has six children from his previous marriage. I rejoice that five of them are boys and only one is a girl. However, these little ones were not conceived by natural, Godly means - oh no. Mr. McIrish's harlot of an ex-wife was barren, you see. Instead of reflecting upon what she did to anger our Savior, she decided to pursue some science-fictiony sounding abomination called in vitro fertilization (IVF). I don't know exactly how it works, nor do I really want to know, but I think it involves a petri dish, or possibly a turkey baster and lezbeans??

Anyway, this woman did the IVF twice and got triplets both times ... a veritable "litter" of unnatural pups. My question is, since these secular test tube experiments were neither created nor birthed by natural means (she had C-sections to boot, the lazy slut), should I be concerned? Will God punish them for not being "real" children? Do they have souls? Are they more susceptible to rectal demons and the AIDS? I need to know what I'm up against here.

I searched both the Bible and these forums high and low, yet I could not locate any Scripture specific to IVF and its impact on children created this way. Then again, I'm just a simple-minded woman; I could have easily overlooked some obvious information. Genesis 20:18 and Psalm 58:3 seem to be relevant to wombs, barren women, and evil issue.

Thank you in advance!!
Mrs. McIrish

[Nobar King]

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If the babies weren't conceived inside of that woman how do we even know if they have a soul?

[Mrs. Paddy McIrish]

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If the babies weren't conceived inside of that woman how do we even know if they have a soul?

Exactly my concern, Mr. Nobar ... what kind of creatures are these, truly?

[John Creeser]

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Psalm 139:13-15 comes to mind.

The major problem I see here is that we know for a fact a fertilized egg is indeed a human life - with IVF, maybe some unborn babies might get spilled out of the turkey baster onto the ground. God says not to spill seed (Genesis 38:9-10) so you would have to be very careful.

Secondly, sometimes they create more embryo's than is needed and they are either murdered or frozen (can you imagine, being naked and put inside a dark deep freeze?).

In short, there is a reason God smites people sterile and chasing secular unnatural methods of pregnancy against His will could possibly send all involved straight to HELL!!

Are the children showing any signs of having the gay? Any marks of the beast on them? You may want to consider shunning them, for you own sake.

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Make sure you do not have any physical contact either;

2nd Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

[Russell Holbeck]

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Hello Mrs. Paddy McIrish.

The two problems I see with this are first the man has to get his seed out somehow and it is not the regular way it is the other way and that means he has to do some unnatural things and second he has to think about sexual things he is not doing with his wife even if he is thinking about her but most guys are not when they are doing that I do not want to go in to specifics.

There is also a Bible verse that worries me about this it is Psalms 51:5 it says:

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Since the baby was not conceived in the mother is the baby born without sin.

Thank you.

Rusty

P.S. Congratulations on becoming a Forum Member the people here are very nice.

P.P.S. Iniquity means wickedness I had to look it up I also looked up hyssop it comes a couple of verses later it is a plant.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hello Mrs. Paddy McIrish.

The two problems I see with this are first the man has to get his seed out somehow and it is not the regular way it is the other way and that means he has to do some unnatural things

Mr. Holbeck, as usual, the LORD speaks through the innocent and the simple-minded (Psalms 8:2).

Mrs. McIrish, I have to agree with our old friend here. To have offered his seed for this venture, Mr. McIrish would have had to shake hands with Satan, if you know what I mean. These seeds are born from evil, and I can see no way they can be redeemed. My advice to you, woman to woman, mother to mother, would be to cut your losses. Be as polite as you must so you don't endanger yourself with these impulsive, sinful offspring of of the enemy, and quickly make arrangements for them to live somewhere else.

Continue to pray for the LORD to knock your husband upside the head with a holy two-by-four of spiritual enlightenment, and start replenishing the earth with earth with Soldiers of Christ!

I look forward to hearing your husband's conversion story.

[Mrs. Paddy McIrish]

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Are the children showing any signs of having the gay? Any marks of the beast on them? You may want to consider shunning them, for you own sake.

Thank you, Mr. Creeser, for your thoughful response.

One child, Percy, does show signs of the gay. He's very sickly, constantly suffering from some cold or affliction, is extremely whiny, and cries hysterically at the drop of the hat. His 6-year-old sister, a vapid girlchild, is more well-behaved and functional than he is at 10 years old.

Prissy Percy does have an odd, raised, brown birthmark on his arm that resembles a large poop stain. His mother's cutesy, fluffy-bunny family cloyingly refers to it as "his kiss from God" - hardly! God would never blemish anyone with something so hideous-looking as a favorable gesture. But you can't expect those dullards to understand that. After all, they bring the children to a gay-friendly Episcopalian church where their female priest, called "Mother Susan," is a suspected bulldyke! Also, Percy's maternal aunt is a fag, so clearly it runs in the family.

Mercy!! Perhaps I should just lock the whole lot of them in the closet when they visit, just to be safe. They're only here twice a month, thank God, as their dimbulb mother has primary custody.

[Mrs. Paddy McIrish]

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Hello Mrs. Paddy McIrish.

The two problems I see with this are first the man has to get his seed out somehow and it is not the regular way it is the other way and that means he has to do some unnatural things and second he has to think about sexual things he is not doing with his wife even if he is thinking about her but most guys are not when they are doing that I do not want to go in to specifics.

There is also a Bible verse that worries me about this it is Psalms 51:5 it says:

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
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Since the baby was not conceived in the mother is the baby born without sin.

Thank you.

Rusty

P.S. Congratulations on becoming a Forum Member the people here are very nice.

P.P.S. Iniquity means wickedness I had to look it up I also looked up hyssop it comes a couple of verses later it is a plant.

Mr. Holbeck, as usual, the LORD speaks through the innocent and the simple-minded (Psalms 8:2).

Mrs. McIrish, I have to agree with our old friend here. To have offered his seed for this venture, Mr. McIrish would have had to shake hands with Satan, if you know what I mean. These seeds are born from evil, and I can see no way they can be redeemed. My advice to you, woman to woman, mother to mother, would be to cut your losses. Be as polite as you must so you don't endanger yourself with these impulsive, sinful offspring of of the enemy, and quickly make arrangements for them to live somewhere else.

Continue to pray for the LORD to knock your husband upside the head with a holy two-by-four of spiritual enlightenment, and start replenishing the earth with earth with Soldiers of Christ!

I look forward to hearing your husband's conversion story.

Thank you, Mr. Holbeck and Mrs. Etheldreda!

To clarify, Mr. McIrish explained that his ex-wife drugged him and then, ahem, "spilled his seed" on his behalf. Not to be graphic, but she placed his seed in a cup and gave it to the evil doctor scientists who did Heaven knows what horrible things to it. When he awoke from his drug-induced slumber four days later, she announced that she was pregnant through this IVF. Oh, to see the pain and shame in my husband's eyes when he told me this ghastly tale!

I can't wait until Mr. McIrish and I conceive a REAL Soldier of Christ together!

[Nobar King]

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his ex-wife drugged him and then, ahem, "spilled his seed" on his behalf.

I hate it when that happens especially after we've already been separated.

[Mrs. Paddy McIrish]

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I hate it when that happens especially after we've already been separated.

Oh, Mr. King! Are you saying this has happened to you as well? If so, I will ferverently pray for you AND your violated manhood.

Thank that He gives me the strength to rise above the curse of Eve and to resist committing such deplorable acts.

[Nobar King]

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Oh, yes, I have been suffered all sorts of indignities by a number of women. Some of them I considered potential mates but in the end all of them were unsatisfactory for one reason or another.

I don't want to go into this right now but if you PM me I might be willing to share with you.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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This thread has gotten me to thinking, as the threads here often do.

People have souls intrinsic to their beings, as transmuted from Adam when God breathed the essence of the everlasting soul into him. I would then posit that new souls are carried by the male gametes, exactly one soul per such cell.

Now, in the case of identical duplicates, such as twins, triplets, etc., do they share this soul or does God choose one to get the soul and leave the others without souls, or when the zygote splits, are souls dispensed by God to each?

Just idle curiosity on my part.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Now, in the case of identical duplicates, such as twins, triplets, etc., do they share this soul or does God choose one to get the soul and leave the others without souls, or when the zygote splits, are souls dispensed by God to each?

What a fascinating question!

I wonder what the Holy Bible reveals about that.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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What a fascinating question!

I wonder what the Holy Bible reveals about that.

I know all questions are answered in God's Word, I just need to seek, and seek I shall. I will post the result of my search when concluded.

[A Follower]

Re: IVF: Unnatural Children?

This thread has gotten me to thinking, as the threads here often do.

People have souls intrinsic to their beings, as transmuted from Adam when God breathed the essence of the everlasting soul into him. I would then posit that new souls are carried by the male gametes, exactly one soul per such cell.

Now, in the case of identical duplicates, such as twins, triplets, etc., do they share this soul or does God choose one to get the soul and leave the others without souls, or when the zygote splits, are souls dispensed by God to each?

Just idle curiosity on my part.

Ecclesiastes 4:9-10,12
9 Two [are] better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.
10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him [that is] alone when he falleth; for [he hath] not another to help him up.
12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

These verses explain that twins and triplets are as one, and help each other stand firm in the face of evil, and are connected to each other with a neigh unbreakable cord. So it seems to me they all share one soul which they protect together so it may ascend to Heaven.

As far as the original question goes, the Bible regales us with just one story of an implanted embryo, that one obviously being Jesus. I would think it is the height of conceit to think that one can emulate Jesus by creating children in a laboratory and implanting the resulting mockery of procreation in a woman; it is up to the children themselves to emulate Jesus.