[BelieverInGod]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

No, I HAD two Rotties. They don't live long and I had Lucy for ten years and Zeus (160 lbs) for eight.

Thought they were derived from mastiffs, but guess I was wrong. See? I can admit it. Can you???

I said "not partners" as I have seen how quickly you "christians" can twist things around to suggest that I am into bestiality or whatnot.

Larry.

Where did I say anything about bestiality? You're the one who brought that up.

[Las Vegas Larry]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

You own rottweilers and don't know where they came from? I hope you're not a breeder since you don't seem to understand how it works. I breed and train Rotts, or do you own those silly teddy-rotts that are absolutely useless brainless twits.


I don't think so, I like dogs as a working partner. My dogs are not pets in any form of the word. They are coworkers, we work together to get a job done. It's a bond that a pet owner will never understand.

No, I HAD two Rotties. They don't live long and I had Lucy for ten years and Zeus (160 lbs) for eight.

Thought they were derived from mastiffs, but guess I was wrong. See? I can admit it. Can you???

I said "not partners" as I have seen how quickly you "christians" can twist things around to suggest that I am into bestiality or whatnot.

Larry.

[Las Vegas Larry]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

We all the love of God in common too!

I don't know who or what you are, but please speak for yourself....

[Timofey]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

We all the love of God in common too!

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Well, I am partial to them too, as I've had two Rotties and was not the mastiff bred with another to produce them? But two AKC BMs do NOT have enough genetic variety to EVER produce mini dachshunds.

You own rottweilers and don't know where they came from? I hope you're not a breeder since you don't seem to understand how it works. I breed and train Rotts, or do you own those silly teddy-rotts that are absolutely useless brainless twits.

I do love dogs (as pets, NOT partners), so we have one thing in common.

I don't think so, I like dogs as a working partner. My dogs are not pets in any form of the word. They are coworkers, we work together to get a job done. It's a bond that a pet owner will never understand.

[Las Vegas Larry]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Sure, I'd take your bet if I actually thought you would be around to pay up. As long as I get to pick the bullmastiffs I breed (one of my favourite breeds btw).

And you completely missed the fact that you said it yourself, "with God all things are possible". Even evolutionists say that mini dachshunds came from wolves.

Well, I am partial to them too, as I've had two Rotties and was not the mastiff bred with another to produce them? But two AKC BMs do NOT have enough genetic variety to EVER produce mini dachshunds.

I'll accept the copout that with God all is possible, as it is what I expected.

I do love dogs (as pets, NOT partners), so we have one thing in common.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Take a pair of pure bull mastiffs and produce mini dachshunds. I'll give you 7000 generations and guarantee it won't happen. There would have to be genetic diversity from interbreeding and you don't have this with just one pair of wolves.

Sure, I'd take your bet if I actually thought you would be around to pay up. As long as I get to pick the bullmastiffs I breed (one of my favourite breeds btw).

And you completely missed the fact that you said it yourself, "with God all things are possible". Even evolutionists say that mini dachshunds came from wolves.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Take a pair of pure bull mastiffs and produce mini dachshunds. I'll give you 7000 generations and guarantee it won't happen. There would have to be genetic diversity from interbreeding and you don't have this with just one pair of wolves.

Put God in the picture and anything is possible. The Bible promises us that God can do anything.

[Timofey]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?

GLORY!!!!

[Las Vegas Larry]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?

Take a pair of pure bull mastiffs and produce mini dachshunds. I'll give you 7000 generations and guarantee it won't happen. There would have to be genetic diversity from interbreeding and you don't have this with just one pair of wolves.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

I know, I know... with God all things are possible right?

Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?

[Las Vegas Larry]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Of course there are genes. God made them.

He also made it so that angel's DNA can interact with human DNA, and create a child. However, human DNA and monkey DNA will not work.

The LORD works in mysterious ways.

Speaking of genes; it's been proposed (and I tend to agree) that all the various species of animals came about after the flood. For example, Noah wouldn't have taken 2 of every kind of dog (setter, terrier, mastiff...) he would have just had to have taken 2 dogs, and inside those 2 dogs there is enough genetic material to make all the rest of the dog species. In fact, it's possible that he didn't even take any dogs, but just 2 wolves.

There were (of course) several different birds that were taken on board, we know that because of the dove/raven story in today's reading.

People also wonder how he fit all the animals on the ark. Full grown elephants, lions, tigers, giraffes, hippos... take up a lot more space and require more resources than infants of them. So, it's obvious he took very young versions of each kind of animal.

Since he took multiples of each "clean" animal... they could have been fed on goats milk.

YIC
V

Oh boy

For starters, how can the supernatural have physical DNA?

I know, I know... with God all things are possible right?

But let's say noah made two of some "kinds" and FOURTEEN of others fit in his "boat". For his cargo to produce the millions of species we see today in a mere 4000 years sounds like an avalanche of evolution in such a short period of time that no evolutionay biologist would propose. Although it is preposterous that natural selection works this quickly, you actually make a compelling case FOR evolution.

Yes, yes... he could have taken young pairs, but not before they were weaned, in which case they are often still pretty good size.

And let's say they could all metabolize and be nourished with "goat's milk". You need more than eight people just to feed them several times a day.

[Brother V]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

Genes are God's way of surprising us?

For the life of me I NEVER thought I would see 'genetics' in these forums. I must contemplate on this and seek guidance through prayer.

Thank you Brother V. I need to read more.

YIC

Of course there are genes. God made them.

He also made it so that angel's DNA can interact with human DNA, and create a child. However, human DNA and monkey DNA will not work.

The LORD works in mysterious ways.

Speaking of genes; it's been proposed (and I tend to agree) that all the various species of animals came about after the flood. For example, Noah wouldn't have taken 2 of every kind of dog (setter, terrier, mastiff...) he would have just had to have taken 2 dogs, and inside those 2 dogs there is enough genetic material to make all the rest of the dog species. In fact, it's possible that he didn't even take any dogs, but just 2 wolves.

There were (of course) several different birds that were taken on board, we know that because of the dove/raven story in today's reading.

People also wonder how he fit all the animals on the ark. Full grown elephants, lions, tigers, giraffes, hippos... take up a lot more space and require more resources than infants of them. So, it's obvious he took very young versions of each kind of animal.

Since he took multiples of each "clean" animal... they could have been fed on goats milk.

YIC
V

[Timofey]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

In order for any of the genetics of the giants to make it past the flood, one of Noah's daughter in laws would have to have some of the giant genetics in her, or one of Noah's boys (probably Ham) got the gene from his mother (but it's more likely that it was one of their wives).

Genes are God's way of surprising us?

For the life of me I NEVER thought I would see 'genetics' in these forums. I must contemplate on this and seek guidance through prayer.

Thank you Brother V. I need to read more.

YIC

[Brother V]

Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9

This is the same race the Goliath was from correct Brother?

YIC

Not really. Remember, during the flood, everything with the "breath of life" died. So all the giants would have died off during the flood.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Goliath of Gath came from the Philistines (modern day Palestinians). According to the table of nations, the Philistines come from a guy named Casluhim, who was the son of Mizraim, who was the son of Ham.

In order for any of the genetics of the giants to make it past the flood, one of Noah's daughter in laws would have to have some of the giant genetics in her, or one of Noah's boys (probably Ham) got the gene from his mother (but it's more likely that it was one of their wives).

Goliath's mother is commonly believed to have been Orpah (who you'll meet in the book of Ruth). Orpah is (of course) a Philistine. We don't know who the fathers of Goliath and his three giant brothers are. So, it's possible that she was impregnated by an angel, but that's unlikely. It's more likely that the giant gene was recessive and that she managed to find a husband (after leaving Naomi) who also had the recessive gene and they produced the giants.

Hope this helps

YIC
V