[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Salaam'un Aleykum

I dont understand what you speak of, if you're unsure on how to be a good Muslim then I suggest you read the Noble Qu'Ran. We are to bind those we rule firmly and slay the unbelievers wherever we find them. You should know this.

Sir, the question is simple. I would ask you to read it once more, and if then you do not understand, I will explain further.

Also, you do not speak of the Qu'ran that I know of. You speak like a cartoon character, or like a jew dog.

Furthermore, I am a Christian.

With respect.

[Nolita]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Mark 11:12-14



12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

If Jesus (PBUH) was God as you claim wouldn't he be able to at least tell the seasons apart? He was ignorant of the seasons. This proves without a doubt he was only human and just a Prophet of Allah. If he were God then he would know the difference between the seasons.

I have a very beloved cousin Mustafa who is a bit dim but even he can tell night from day and summer from winter.

Um, I hate to state the obvious, but... Your quote never once said that he couldn't tell the difference of the seasons, but rather was so hungry that he was excited to see a promise of food in front of him. But, alas, his hunger made him forget that it was not fig season yet. So, out of a moment of frustration, he cursed the tree.

Read, man, READ.

[cosmo billy]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Salaam'un Aleykum

I dont understand what you speak of, if you're unsure on how to be a good Muslim then I suggest you read the Noble Qu'Ran. We are to bind those we rule firmly and slay the unbelievers wherever we find them. You should know this.

Muhamhad had sex with kids and goats. Let go of your grip on the wars your people consistently lost. Join the side that always wins! The side of Jesus!

[TruePath]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Sir, the question is simple. I would ask you to read it once more, and if then you do not understand, I will explain further.

Also, you do not speak of the Qu'ran that I know of. You speak like a cartoon character, or like a jew dog.

Furthermore, I am a Christian.

With respect.

Obviously you have no idea what you speak of. And being a Christian you tell lies.

[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Obviously you have no idea what you speak of. And being a Christian you tell lies.

Sir,

I regret that you do not understand me. What I mean to say was, only a jew dog would hate the Christ, peace be upon him. The Muslim does not hate the Christ. I think you to be a jew dog, is what I meant to say, clearly.

Forgive me, but I do not have the arabic on this keyboard. In the Qu’ran, the Christ, peace be upon him, is al Mesih, which means one who is most anointed, not merely anointed, who brings forth the word of God to the world. Also, the Christ in the Qu’ran is ruh hu Allah, or, spirit of God. Musaddiq bi Kalimaa meaning, witness of the Word of God, which refers to John, peace be upon him, and the Gospel truth. Furthermore, no woman is so loved and favoured in the Qu’ran as Mary, peace be upon her, mother of the Christ, who was chosen above all women in creation, to be the womb of God's Word. This things you should know, Sir.

And most certainly, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa (Jesus), the son of Marium (Mary), clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent, so, you called some liars and some you slew.
~ Al Baqara 87

Sir, why do you disrespect your prophet? Why do you question him? You only bring shame on your self, and you go against God, and God is most wise. And he knows your heart. If you believe in God, then you believe in the Christ, spirit of God, word of God, most anointed, peace be upon him. Why is it you call him ignorant?

With respect.

[TruePath]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Sir, why do you disrespect your prophet? Why do you question him? You only bring shame on your self, and you go against God, and God is most wise. And he knows your heart. If you believe in God, then you believe in the Christ, spirit of God, word of God, most anointed, peace be upon him. Why is it you call him ignorant?

My point is this, if Jesus (PBUH) was God then he wouldn't be ignorant of the seasons. Jesus is NOT God so he is.

These infidels here claim Jesus (pbuh) is God. This is infuriating and wrong.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

My point is this, if Jesus (PBUH) was God then he wouldn't be ignorant of the seasons. Jesus is NOT God so he is.

These infidels here claim Jesus (pbuh) is God. This is infuriating and wrong.

All I'm seeing is you getting your ass kicked by a woman. She is obviously of superior intelligence to you as she chose to be a Christian leaving your religion behind.

You have been caught in errors before, and I am starting to wonder if you know what you are talking about. You're also like a stupid dog that wont let go of something even if it's for your own good. We've already pointed out that just because Jesus cursed the fig tree does not mean he didn't know what season it was. The only people who are ignorant of the seasons are little basement trolls who never see the outside long enough to realize that seasons do change. Even IF Jesus was "just a man" (I am in no way saying he was) he walked around outdoors all of his life, he would of known the seasons.

You sir are an idiot.

[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

My point is this, if Jesus (PBUH) was God then he wouldn't be ignorant of the seasons. Jesus is NOT God so he is.

These infidels here claim Jesus (pbuh) is God. This is infuriating and wrong.

No. You do not have a point.

Go, read your Qu'ran, and read again about the Christ, who was not son of Adam, but spirit of God, word from God, most annointed, peace be upon him, who left the message of God for us, and died, and returned up to God, to heaven, to set a place for all believers with God. Go, read again about the Gospel, which you must obey too, even as a Muslim dog, as the word of God. There is no salvation for you in the Qu'ran, dog.

You insult the Christ, peace be upon him. You are wrong, dog. You filthy unwashed mongrel. There are no words for how disgusting you are.

Ila jaheem ma-ik!

[TruePath]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

No. You do not have a point.

Go, read your Qu'ran, and read again about the Christ, who was not son of Adam, but spirit of God, word from God, most annointed, peace be upon him, who left the message of God for us, and died, and returned up to God, to heaven, to set a place for all believers with God. Go, read again about the Gospel, which you must obey too, even as a Muslim dog, as the word of God. There is no salvation for you in the Qu'ran, dog.

You insult the Christ, peace be upon him. You are wrong, dog. You filthy unwashed mongrel. There are no words for how disgusting you are.

Ila jaheem ma-ik!

In The Noble Qur'an Allah has told us:

Surah 57: 26-27. And we sent Noah and Abraham; and placed in their seed prophecy and the Book; and some of them are guided, though many of them are workers of abomination!

Then we followed up their footsteps with our apostles; and we followed them up with Jesus the son of Mary; and we gave him the gospel; and we placed in the hearts of those that followed him kindness and compassion. But monkery, they invented it; we only prescribed to them the craving after the goodwill of God, and they observed it not with due observance. But we gave to those who believed amongst them their hire; though many amongst them were workers of abomination!

Surah 5: 50-51. And we followed up the footsteps of these (prophets) with Jesus the son of Mary, confirming that which was before him and the law, and we brought him the gospel, wherein is guidance and light, verifying what was before it of the law, and a guidance and an admonition unto those who fear.

Surah 2: 81. We gave Moses the Book and we followed him up with other apostles, and we gave Jesus the son of Mary manifest signs and aided him with the Holy Spirit. Do ye then, every time an apostle comes to you with what your souls love not, proudly scorn him, and charge a part with lying and slay a part?

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

Surah 4: 169. O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not "Three." Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; and God sufficeth for a guardian.

[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Muslim, it seems you are confused what you wish to say. From whom are you learning the Qu’ran from? If you are a new Muslim, you should seek guidance from a better, because you stray from your own path. Better still, seek out Christian wisdom, from here perhaps, if you can keep your filthy tongue in check and earn some respect, or elsewhere if you can not. Is important to be respectful when you seek knowledge. This you know.

In The Noble Qur'an Allah has told us:

Surah 57: 26-27. And we sent Noah and Abraham; and placed in their seed prophecy and the Book; and some of them are guided, though many of them are workers of abomination!

Then we followed up their footsteps with our apostles; and we followed them up with Jesus the son of Mary; and we gave him the gospel; and we placed in the hearts of those that followed him kindness and compassion. But monkery, they invented it; we only prescribed to them the craving after the goodwill of God, and they observed it not with due observance. But we gave to those who believed amongst them their hire; though many amongst them were workers of abomination!

The passages you quote only confirm what I said to you, and we do not have to repeat this if we both agree. See, even the Qu’ran tells you that the Christ, spirit of God, word of God, most anointed, peace be upon him, was sent after to confirm the words of the prophets. And it says that his true followers are blessed and righteous, and that those who do not follow him in the correct way are transgressors. Yes, we agree on this, and it also says that the monastic and the Catholic are the transgressors, the Christians you must hate. We can agree on this also. The Qu’ran always says this, and the Holy Bible always confirms all these things.

You wish to say the Catholics are transgressors? We agree! The whole world knows this. Even the infidel knows this. Is not news to any one.

Surah 5: 50-51. And we followed up the footsteps of these (prophets) with Jesus the son of Mary, confirming that which was before him and the law, and we brought him the gospel, wherein is guidance and light, verifying what was before it of the law, and a guidance and an admonition unto those who fear.

Surah 2: 81. We gave Moses the Book and we followed him up with other apostles, and we gave Jesus the son of Mary manifest signs and aided him with the Holy Spirit. Do ye then, every time an apostle comes to you with what your souls love not, proudly scorn him, and charge a part with lying and slay a part?

Yes, thank you for confirming the verse I quoted, with further evidence. We agree again, then, that the Christ, peace be upon him, is truth, and most anointed, and is beyond your scorn. Woe to you if you shall scorn the word of God, and the true follows of Christ.

Even so, you got the verses wrong.

Let me correct you.

You will find that in Surah 5, Al-Meada (the Feast) 50-51 is:

Is it then the judgment of the times of (pagan) ignorance that they desire? And who is better than God to judge for a people who have attained certainty?
O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely God does not guide the unjust people.
~ Al-meada 50-51

See? In your desire to disrespect the Christ, peace be upon him, you were hasty, and quoted the wrong verses. And even so, this verse is about the pagan, and the jew, and the catholic, whom we all know are wrong. We agree again.

Let me correct you again.

You will find that it is Surah 2, Al-baqara (the Cow) 87 which says that, not 81, which is:

Yea, whoever earns evil and his sins beset him on every side, these are the dwellers of the fire; in it they shall abide.
~ Al-baqara 81

Go, and ask a real Muslim about these things, and do not simply quote in ignorance from Christian hating internet sites, which lead you astray. I already gave you Al-baqara 87, and you ignored it. And now you quote the wrong passages.

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

Surah 4: 169. O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not "Three." Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; and God sufficeth for a guardian.

Muslim, you seem to be mistaken once more.

You should change your signature too. Is the wrong passage!

Surah 4 is An-nisa (woman) and verse 169 in An-nisa is:

Except the path of hell, to abide in it for ever, and this is easy for God to do.
~ An-nisa 169

So, to be more complete:

Surely, for those who disbelieve and hinder men from God's way, they indeed have strayed from the path.
Surely, for those who disbelieve and act unjustly, God will not forgive them nor guide them to a path.
Except the path of hell, to abide in it for ever, and this is easy for God to do.
~ An-nisa 167-169

And,

O people! Surely the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, therefore believe, (it shall be) good for you, and if you disbelieve, then surely whatever is in the heavens and the earth is Gods; and God is most knowing, most wise.
~ An-nisa 170

This is about Jesus, peace be upon him. Surely, the messenger of truth.

Do you mean An-nisa 171?

O followers of the Book! Do not commit excess in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary is only a messenger of God and his word which he communicated to Mary and a spirit from him; believe therefore in God and his messengers, and say not, three. Desist, it is better for you; God is only one god; far be it from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and God is sufficient for a protector.
~ An-nisa 171

This passage, as you should know, is about the pagan, who worship many gods.

And to not say there are three God’s, but one only, which is exactly what the Holy Bible says. There is only one God. The Christ is spirit of God, Word of God, from God him self - he is God, not a new god or another god, but God. This is the warning in that verse, to not confuse these things, to be sure to understand them.

This verse, I too struggled with. I was young when I began to question Islam, and learn more about the Christ, peace be upon him. But we must realise that, in arabic, it is walad, which means son by intercourse, and in this case, and elswhere in the Qu'ran, it is used to denounce the word son in the physical respect, and denounce any claim that God came down and had physical relationship with Mary, peace be upon her. This is a pagan belief, not a Christian belief. Even the Qu’ran says that Mary was a virgin, and that Jesus was an immaculate birth, peace be upon them both. This is what this verse is saying, and the Bible confirms this. Only a pagan god comes down from above to fornicate. Not God. God does not need to do this, for he is most magnificent.

Which Jesus, peace be upon him, also said, that he is the son of man, in the physical respect, whilst only from God in the metaphysical sense, because Mary, peace be upon her, was most loved by God, and is most loved by Muslims too, chosen as the womb for God’s word, but was only a woman. The Qu’ran confirms this, always. For we know in the Bible that Jesus was, in flesh, the son of man, not of God. But in spirit he was from God, the Word. The Qu’ran confirms this all along. Jesus is God in spirit, the Spirit of God, the Word of God, peace be upon him. This it says in the Bible and this it says in the Qu’ran. The Qu’ran, too, says you must respect the scripture which true Christians on the correct path do respect, for it is all from God, and we must treat it so.

Is important to understand what the Christian means when they say, Trinity. Also, is important to note that nowhere in the Holy Bible does it say, Trinity. But what the Christian means when they say Trinity is, one god still. Only one god, and that is God, most high. And the best way to understand this is as water, for water can flow, as a river flows. It can be solid, as ice and snow. It can be air, as mist and breath. But is always water. Is always the same thing. One thing. For Christians, it is always one God. This is truth above all else. Not three gods, or more, like for the pagan. Only one god, and that is God.

Jesus said,

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
~ Matthew 28:19-20

Why is it so hard for the Muslim to accept this? What make you so angry about the words of the Christ, peace be upon him? I do not know. I never understand why this is so. It seems so reasonable and correct to me, and the Qu’ran confirms it in all respects. The Qu’ran tells you to honour these words. You must respect the Gospels. This is what God wants.

But the foolish Muslim, he clings onto An-nisa 171, that single verse, at the cost of all others, and they hold it high in their pride, like a prize, to damn the Christian, and make excuse for war. But does it damn the true Christian, or does it damn the false Christian, the Catholic, the pagan? You go, and learn about this more.

You only stress the contradiction of your understanding. Instead, try to understand the truth: there is only one God. A wise man of God would attempt to understand that verse, in perspective, instead of making a contradiction of himself and his teachings.

With respect.

[TruePath]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

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al-Ma'idah (The Table, The Table Spread) 5:75

5:75 ماالمسيح ابن مريم الا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وامه صديقة كانا ياكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الايات ثم انظر انى يؤفكون

TransliterationMa almaseehu ibnu maryama illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu waommuhu siddeeqatun kana ya/kulani alttaAAama onthur kayfa nubayyinu lahumu al-ayati thumma onthur anna yu/fakoona LiteralThe Messiah Mary's son is not except a messenger, the messengers had past/expired from before Him, and his mother (was) always very truthful, they were ( eating the food; look/see how We clarify/explain to them the signs/evidences, then look/see where they be turned away .

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

But the foolish Muslim, he clings onto An-nisa 171, that single verse, at the cost of all others, and they hold it high in their pride, like a prize, to damn the Christian, and make excuse for war. But does it damn the true Christian, or does it damn the false Christian, the Catholic, the pagan? You go, and learn about this more.

So you're saying that they're cherry picking Muslims? Why am I not surprised.

[2 Timothy 3:16]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

Mark 11:12-14



12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

If Jesus (PBUH) was God as you claim wouldn't he be able to at least tell the seasons apart? He was ignorant of the seasons. This proves without a doubt he was only human and just a Prophet of Allah. If he were God then he would know the difference between the seasons.

I have a very beloved cousin Mustafa who is a bit dim but even he can tell night from day and summer from winter.

In Israel, in the springtime, the first figs that come off of a fig tree are the winter figs. You knew when the winter figs were there because the trees would have leaves on them. They are unharvestable and anyone who wanted to was welcome to eat them. Jesus is not "playing dumb" as some have opined here in good intentions. He genuinely thought (based on the leaves) that there would be figs there. Turns out there weren't and right then and there the tree became a symbol of the generation of Jews living at the time. They showed the leaves (the Triumphal Entry, welcoming Him as King), but the fruit (true repentance) was not there.

[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

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Muslim, why are you ignoring me?

[Phoenix]

Re: Jesus is ignorant of the seasons (Mark 11:12-14)

So you're saying that they're cherry picking Muslims? Why am I not surprised.

Madam, yes certainly, the Muslim here is just cherry picking. And in his struggle to copy and paste, he gets his verses wrong. Even his signature is the wrong verse, and he wont listen. I do not think he has even opened the Qu'ran. But, is a good thing, to let his ignorance shine here, so that True Christians can see for themselves that there is no salvation in the Qu'ran for him.

Respectfully.