[Charlie Wardin]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Before you ask things of people, you should learn how to spell.

Of course we take it literally. Anything written by God comes with the danger of an Eternity in Hell if you don't.

Firstly, can I say that I am of the opinion that people should be allowed to have their own beliefs and faith. I am not here to post messages about people should think, or what they should do.
My attention was drawn to this page and I have to say I was shocked. I feel that debate is healthy and therefore I think it fair that in the public domain, I should be aloud to respond to the things stated and have an equal right to speak, as you quite rightly do.

If your responce was mostly to correct a typo, then you can't of diagreed with much of what I said.
More importantly I know what Metaphor means and how it is applied in the bible consistantly. I think that the main dangers of religion are that of blind faith and interpretation of ambigous passages. Messages written hundreds/thousands of years ago, are easisly misinterprated, and can be interprated to the advantage of the person or group doing interprating quite easily.
You say it is the word of god, but you know for a FACT, that the bible is written by human hand, and therefore is falible.

I find it discusting that people say things like "if you collect twigs on a Sunday you should be forced to eat your children, then be executed".

If there is such thing as god, then it wouldn't think in this way, if there is and it does, I don't want to be with it when I die or worship it in any way.

I cant imagine how anyone can think that punishment for working on a sunday should be death? This is dangerous and insane.

Do you really want society to follow these rules?

What have the children done?

Religion
The belief that there was nothing.
Nothing happened to nothing and then nothing created the most complex thing possible (god).
The most complex thing possible created by nothing (god) then created simpler things just because it could.
The most complex thing possible created by nothing then decrees that all the simple things it created should worship it, because the most complex thing possible created by nothing was egotistical enought to want to be worshiped, because it had low self esteem and need the reassurance..you know.
The most complex thing possible then dissapears, leaving no evidence of it's exististance, hoping the more simple things it created will distroy themselves by hating each other so much for being different, find the dinosaur 'jokes' it left (because it's got a complex sense of humor) and not believe the evidence gathered by the scientists that the world is much older than he lead them to beleive (again, because it's got a complex sense of humor)
Makes perfect sense.

What is more plausable?
Nothing created something simple - Nothing created the most complex thing possible?

[Offcr. Albert Martin]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Well, of course since Jesus told us to obey secular law, we can't yet follow this to the letter. But as soon as we get biblical law in the USA, of course we will apply these to the letter.

You never heard of Acts 5:29?

When secular law gets in the way of God's law, then we have the right-no, the DUTY-to break that secular law to keep the Divine Law!

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Dear Friends,

The day when we will be able to post permanent 10 Commandments monuments on government property is coming soon. [Note: this is a repost from the Bush years.]

Even though that day has not come yet, we can still post the 10 commandments on every bulletin board and telephone pole around.
What is important is the 10 commandments are easy for everyone, especially children, to read and understand.

The consequences for breaking the 10 commandments must also be made clear. We recommend printing out the following and posting it everywhere you can:

These are the 10 Commandments, the moral and legal foundation of society.

These rules are very simple and there is no weaseling out of them. God has no court of appeals. There is no early release for good behavior.

If you break any of these rules, the punishment is stated in Leviticus 26:29 "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." and Deuteronomy 28:53 "thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters". Punishment is also stated clearly in Exodus 31:15 and Numbers 16:32-36 - execution.

"I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."

(Well, okay, not you, but your great-great-great ancestors thousands of years ago. If you happen to be Jewish.)

1. "You shall have no other gods besides Me..."

In Plain English: All non-Judeo-Christians must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

Note that Jews believe this means Christians also must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed. Choose carefully!

2. "Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

Anyone with a crucifix, painting, statue or stained glass window portraying Jesus, God, Saints, Angels, etc. should be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

Any child who scribbled a picture of God or heaven or Grandma in heaven must be executed. (Note: The Orthodox say you can worship an icon but the Amish say even photography counts. Choose carefully. If you choose wrong, you will be force to eat your own children and then executed.)

The Sistine Chapel and other "graven images" must be destroyed.

3. "Do not take the Lord's name in vain"

Anyone who ever said "Oh my God" or "Jesus!" or "thank God" in conversation or because they hit their thumb with a hammer, must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

4. "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"

Anyone who works on Sunday, even police officers, medics, soldiers, even if it's just collecting twigs to put in a fireplace, must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

Moslems, whose Sabbath is on Friday, must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

Jews, whose Saddath is on Saturday, must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

5. "Honor your father and your mother..."

Obey your parents, even if they are abusing you, molesting you, eating you because they broke a commandment etc. You must obey them even if their orders contradict one another.

You must obey them even if you are 70 years old and they are suffering from dementia or just plain insanity. Those who fail to obey must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

6. "You shall not kill"

There are two ways to interpret this. There is the "Thou shalt not kill period end of sentence" which means don't kill, not even terrorists who are about to kill you, not even flies and mosquitoes and viruses.

As for the executioner who kills all these killers, he has to kill himself. There is also the Liebral interpretation, as Jews do, which says it's "do not murder".

Whatever it is, choose carefully, because killers are punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

7. "You shall not have sexual relations with another man's wife."

Note that according to Jesus adultery also means getting divorced or "checking out" a woman you walk past on the street, or checking out a woman on TV. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart - Matthew 5:28

Therefore: if the divorced and anyone who has "checked out" anyone must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

8. "you shall not steal" Anyone who has ever not put enough change into a parking meter or worse must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" Every liar - meaning every politician and lawyer to start with, must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

10. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..." Anyone who has ever said or even thought "I wish I had that...." must be punished by being forced to eat their own children, and then executed.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Excellent idea Brother, before anyone thinks we are making this up.

Mea culpa. I should have added those verses from the beginning, but I never thought somebody would presume to doubt the word of a True Christian™ pastor. I see your point however, Brother Wide. These threads are being read by people outside our congregation.

Outstanding work, Brother Jeb. I must admit that when I wrote that killings were only punished in some cases, I wasn't thinking of Cain and Abel. What I meant was that God understands how you can sometimes "happen" to kill somebody -- inadvertently:

Deuteronomy 4:41 Then Moses severed three cities on this side Jordan toward the sunrising;
Deuteronomy 4:42 That the slayer might flee thither, which should kill his neighbour unawares, and hated him not in times past; and that fleeing unto one of these cities he might live:
Deuteronomy 4:43 Namely, Bezer in the wilderness, in the plain country, of the Reubenites; and Ramoth in Gilead, of the Gadites; and Golan in Bashan, of the Manassites.

Suppose you're cleaning your trusty old rifle and it suddenly goes off and kills your wife, mother-in-law, or what-not. God knows you didn't mean to, so you can escape to one of these refugia. I don't think God wants you to literally go to Bezer, Ramoth and Golan. Any sanctuary within the borders of Freehold could probably be used.

[Talitha]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

I think you are taking these words too literally.

Have you ever heard of Metophor?

Before you ask things of people, you should learn how to spell.

Of course we take it literally. Anything written by God comes with the danger of an Eternity in Hell if you don't.

[Charlie Wardin]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Another of God's punishments for not obeying His commandments is forcing people to eat their children:

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. -- Deuteronomy 28:53

I'm not sure where to put it, since no particular commandment is mentioned. It just seems to be "any of the above".

I think you are taking these words too literally.

Have you ever heard of Metophor?

[Charlie Wardin]

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I didn't know things were so twisted in America.

I believe in free speach, and the right to belive in whatever you want, as long as it does't hurt anyone.

Punishement of any crime should be proportionate to the act.

Talk of genocide for worshiping another God sounds more like the words of Osama bin Laden, than any God.

Tolerance and altruism are the key elements of spiritual and non-spiritual progression, not harbouring hatred as you seem to do.

Thank God that people who think like this are in the minority, otherwise, there would be none of God's creations left.

Animals are vectors for demons so they should be killed if someone worships another God?...that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

I do not hurt anyone, I do not wish any harm upon anyone. I help people but do not need to be helped in return. I live a good and simple life and have never commited a crime, but by definition, I am not perfect.

I do not believe in God.

You profess hatred, intolerance and wish harm on people.

You believe in God.

1) If there is heaven, who is more likeley to go there? ME
2) Who is the nicer person? ME
3) I do not hate anyone. You do. Therefore God/Religion is a vector for Hatred? true
4) Do you need God to be a good person? No

You are not God, if you belive in him, let him be the ONLY judge.

[yak]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

what about forgiveness?
surely if you were to get biblical law in the USA you would choose to forgive rather than kill?

[eliot mayfield]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Another of God's punishments for not obeying His commandments is forcing people to eat their children:

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. -- Deuteronomy 28:53

I'm not sure where to put it, since no particular commandment is mentioned. It just seems to be "any of the above".

Maybe whoredoms, God hates whoredoms and it's not in the top ten.

[eliot mayfield]

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i apologise that this is a subject i have never really looked into. the examples you have given are helpful, but surely the same punishments cannot still apply to todays society?
it is only my intention to understand the reason behind the changing the order of the 10 commandments and i dont mean any offence.

Well, of course since Jesus told us to obey secular law, we can't yet follow this to the letter. But as soon as we get biblical law in the USA, of course we will apply these to the letter.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Another of God's punishments for not obeying His commandments is forcing people to eat their children:

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. -- Deuteronomy 28:53

I'm not sure where to put it, since no particular commandment is mentioned. It just seems to be "any of the above".

[yak]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

i apologise that this is a subject i have never really looked into. the examples you have given are helpful, but surely the same punishments cannot still apply to todays society?
it is only my intention to understand the reason behind the changing the order of the 10 commandments and i dont mean any offence.

[Wide-Open]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Excellent idea Brother, before anyone thinks we are making this up.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

I'm updating the table with scripture. So far I've got the capital punishment ones covered:

Commandment	Alert Level	Punishment
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.	Severe	Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18)
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image	Severe	Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.)
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;	High	Capital punishment
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.	High	Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15 , Exodus 35:2)
5. Honour thy father and thy mother:	High	Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17 , Leviticus 20:9)
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.	High	Capital punishment (Leviticus 20:10)
6. Thou shalt not kill.	Elevated	Capital punishment in some cases (For killing Cain, Yes, for killing Abel, no: Genesis 4:15.)
8. Thou shalt not steal.	Guarded	Excessive fines or slavery: (Exodus 22:1-3). Only in rare cases such as stealing slaves, capital punishment: (Exodus 21:16)
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.	Low	Despisement and scorn
10. Thou shalt not covet . . .	Low	Despisement and scorn

[eliot mayfield]

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I believe theft is punishable by secular law as well as Biblical law.