[bobcat]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

They claim that the word "Sheol" is properly translated into "grave" and not into "Hell" as it is in the KJV1611. The problem with this is that Sheol is a he-brew word and can not be trusted. That is why the Bible was translated into American.

Whoa there, Nelly. How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?" Seriously, think about what you just said for just ONE second.

Well as Gabriel has kindly pointed out, every word of the KJV1611 is a manipulation by man.

The word of God was not written in 'American' (or English as the language is called, but since you do not wish to be associated with Europe it is fine to change that historical fact).

The word of God was in Hebrew. Man translated it and had to put his own interpretation on every single word he translated. This is manipulation - deliberate or not - it is still manipulation words in different languages often have subtly different meanings and have no direct translation.

Therefore nothing from the KJV1611 version can be taken as direct from God without knowledge of the translation - or more completely - without using the original version in the first place.


On a seperate point, going back to the concept of Rape as a punishment. I believe the words were as listed in Numbers 31:18

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Who said anything about raping them? For that matter, since we are talking in 'American' here. Lying with someone can have a different meaning than sleeping with them. Oh hang on, that can have 2 meanings too, how about having relations - in fact thats not particularly explict. Well you get the idea. Keeping them for themselves (especially as the bible talks about slavery and purchase price of children elsewhere) may simply mean as domestic slaves: Leviticus 25:44-46

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Is it not possible that some of your literal interpretations are actually mis-interpretations.

As any poet knows, there is often more than one way of understanding a set of written words, even literally. I would suggest that there is a possibility for some mis-interpretation within the Americanized versions of the bible, and much more scope for mis-translation of the original.

[willrosillo]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

is palin wins the 2012 elections and america is run with biblibal law, i will personaly form a vigilante group of hundreds of thousands of "sinners"(atheists) and we will stop the palin-led government before it commits acts of genocide on most of the worlds population. the world would not her take charge. there would probably be a nuclear war, destroying all major countries and most human life. sounds like fun

[TrapDoorGreen]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

No.Thats contadiction.

ahem...contradiction not contadiction.I shouldn't type so fast.

[TrapDoorGreen]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Manipulation would imply you deny what the thing plainly says.

No.Thats contadiction.Manipulation is altering or distorting something in order to suit one's own needs.It has nothing to do with true or false.

Also, I find it strange that someone who describes themself as a poet(albeit a biblical one), agrees with the the phrase 'How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?'

Do poets only deal with literal interpretations?That's an oxymoron if ever there was one.I don't think you know what a poet is.

Nice try though.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

I don't think you understand what manipulation means.

Manipulation would imply you deny what the thing plainly says. Now, it may be a lie, but stating it's a lie is not manipulation.

Manipulation would be to say that it is NOT a lie, but claim it actually means something completely different then what is clearly stated.

There are only two options here - it is all true, or it is all false.

Nice try though

[Tingly Bill]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Quote someone:
Whoa there, Nelly. How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?" Seriously, think about what you just said for just ONE second.

I have been waiting to hear back on this, but I feel I am bound to be disappointed since this is the point that all atheists always wander off to never post again. Sure, sometimes they just stop posting for two weeks only to post again on another thread, hoping that we will forget their transgressions. But I never hear a good answer tot his question. It is laughable that it is so easy to stump an atheist!

just to answer this question on behalf of all atheists. if something isn't true and you interpret it literally, then that is a manipulation.

hope this helps

[Genesis 25:30 Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

Hello dear Wide-Open

You have passed the gods word to me through that wicked Volkswagen forum, and I have decided to repent for my evil ways of years gone.

Thank you for letting god work through you, to me. Bless you!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Are they the same ones who liberated the "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign?

[eliot mayfield]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

This has been covered in other topics, please use the search engine to find the appropriate thread.

[Talitha]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

No.

[ratter]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

[Wide-Open]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

[xQzttt]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Hello I'm a represent from (satanic link removed)

We are a fellow firm believer that all priests are either rapists or thieves and that religon is like a box of chocolates. Our stance on Christianity is that it's a lie and the bible is an extremely well executed prank by year 12 students in 1408 bc. Therefore we arn't going to hell or heaven, instead we are going to McDonalds and ordering a large big mac meal, while [vileness deleted] watching passion of the christ.

There is only one god, that is 1260.

Sincere regards,

Devils "xQzt" Advocate

[Judas' Brother Steve]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

I think we should all refer to the bible, the Rick James Version and do as he says

"Give it to me baby"

[Wide-Open]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friend, calling our Lord a flaming homer is NOT tolerated!

Secondly, you must mistake us for cathlycks. We don't do indulgences here, you'll have to take that up with the Antichrist in Rome.

It's bad enough that your friend posted all those clicks and grunts, so stop mocking us.