[Meek and Humble]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

They most certainly were my friend.

' Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit has NO FORGIVENESS FOREVER, but is guilty of everlasting sin.'
– Mark 3.29

1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the name of Christ

10th Century Obscenities
Vile Princes of the Papacy

"Popes maimed & were maimed, killed & were killed... Without question, these pontiffs constitute the most despicable body of leaders, clerical or lay, in history. They were, frankly, barbarians. Ancient Rome had nothing to rival them in rottenness."
– Peter de Rosa (Vicars of Christ, p48)

John XII (955-964). Born from an incestuous relationship between Pope Sergio III and his 13-year-old daughter Marozie. John, in turn, took his mother as his own mistress.

Pope at 18, he turned the Lateran into a brothel. He was accused by a synod of "sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery and incest" and was temporarily deposed.

He took his revenge on opponents by hacking off limbs. He was murdered by an enraged husband who caught him having sex with his wife.

11th Century Horror
Church lords over ignorant squalor of millions

1095 - Pope Urban II calls upon the Franks to invade the more civilized Muslim world. Begins five centuries of warfare.
"Let those who have hitherto been robbers now become soldiers."
– Urban II addresses his gangsters.

1009: Rivalry from Islam prompts eastern churches to break with idolatry. This 'iconoclasm' begins breach with idol-worshipping Catholic west. Centuries of bloodshed ensue.

1079: The Council of Rome: Persecution of Berengarius & his followers who cannot stomach the dogma of 'transmutation of bread & wine into Christ.'

12th Century Criminality
Christian Church ally of murderous kings & rogue princes

"Warrior Monks" - Muslim heads catapulted into the besieged city of Antioch by Christian Knights (Illumination from Les Histoires d'Outremer by William of Tyre 12th century, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris).


1184 Council of Verona condemns Waldensians for witchcraft. The charge is later extended to condemn heretics.

13th Century Wickedness
Vile Crusaders Plunder & Murder for God

1209 Pope Innocent III launches Albigensian Crusade against Christian Cathars of southern France. 7000 massacred in La Madeleine Church alone.

1211 Burning of Waldenses heretics at Strasbourg begins several centuries of persecution.

German Teutonic Knights butcher their way through the Baltic lands, savage Catholic Poles & Orthodox Russians.

1231: Pope Gregory IX authorizes Inquisition for dealing with heretics.

1277 Pope John XXI, alarmed by rumors of pagan heresy among “scholars of arts in the faculty of theology" pressurizes Stephen Tempier, Bishop of Paris, to prohibit 219 philosophical and theological theses. The "Condemnations of Paris" is the first of 16 lists of censorship.

14th Century Catastrophe
Church hostility to medicine allows plague to decimate Europe



Burning of the Jews of Cologne – blamed by Christians for the Black Death (Liber Chronicarum Mundi).

World Domination?

"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff."

– Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unun Sanctum, 1302

1311-12: Ecumenical Council of Vienne. It authorises the brutal suppression of the Knights Templar (mercenaries of the church who have outlived their usefulness).

1316-1334: Pope John XXII, world's richest man and first pontiff to promote theory of witchcraft. Sanctions bull allowing heresy charges to be brought against dead people. In 1320 he instructs French Inquisition to confiscate all property belonging to blasphemers or dabblers in black arts.

1300s. Glowing eyes and nocturnal behaviour of the cat interpreted by the Church as clear proof of the hapless moggy's diabolic affinity. Wholesale trapping and burning of cats allowed free rein to the spread of the flee-carrying rat. Subsequently, Europe's population was decimated by the plague.

1347-50: The Black Death sweeps across Europe, killing one-third of the population.

"Jews were burnt all the way from the Mediterranean into Germany... under torture confessing to have spread the plague by poisoning wells... the poison made from the skin of a basilisk (a kind of mythical serpent)..."

– N. Cantor (In the Wake of the Plague)

15th Century Malevolence
Tortured Bodies by Sadists of the Lord

1411 Dominican Vincente Ferrer revives anti-Jewish hysteria in Spain: "cohorts of the Devil and Anti-Christ, clever, warped and doomed."

1415 John Huss of Bohemia, critic of papal corruption but guaranteed personal safety, burned at the stake. "When dealing with heretics, one is not obligated to keep his word." – Pope Gregory XII.

1415 Pope John XXIII deposed: "The most scandalous charges were suppressed; the Vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, murder, rape, sodomy and incest."
– Gibbon (Decline & Fall)

1478: Pope Sixtus IV, in alliance with King Ferdinand of Spain, establishes the Spanish Inquisition. Jews, Moors and heretics will be imprisoned, tortured and murdered for centuries.
The bisexual Sixtus, though suffering from syphilis, fathers children from his elder sister.
1484 Pope Innocent VIII decrees that cats are unholy creatures, to be burned along with the witches that own them.

1486 Taking a break from book-burning, two Dominican monks, Henrich Kramer & James Sprenger, write a best-seller – Malleus Maleficarum ('The Witches Hammer') – 'the most blood thirsty book ever written.' (Peter de Rosa, Vicars of Christ, p184)

This unsurpassed nonsense rests on the bench of every magistrate and judge in Europe for three centuries and leads to tens of thousands of judicial murders.

1498 Dominican reformer, Savonarola – burner of books & ornaments of 'pagan immorality' – is himself burned for criticising the degenerate Pope Alexander VI.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

They most certainly were my friend.

Well, drat, then I have to rip yet another page out of my Bible.

Matt. 7:15-20: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[The Cantabrian]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

So all of those Renaissance popes, including Alexander VI, were led and counseled by the Holy Ghost? Were they really?

They most certainly were my friend.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

The pope, led and counselled by the Holy Ghost, provides a pivotal role in such matters.

So all of those Renaissance popes, including Alexander VI, were led and counseled by the Holy Ghost? Were they really?

[Brother Helge]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

The Bible is silent on many issues, and scripture by itself is insufficient. That is why Christ appointed a 'rock' on which his church would be built, and on which it would grow and develop as society grew and developed.

You jump to conclusions.
Jesus did not call Peter a rock due to insufficiency of the Holy Bible.
Show me cripture or it didn't happen.

And where did Jesus tell Peter that this "title" should be inherited by homers, horemongers, drunkards, pagans, childmolesters, etc until present time?

Pressing matters on which the Bible is silent include genetic engineering, euthanasia, transsexual operations, environmental action, animal rights, human rights, etc

The Bible is very clear on all those subjects.
Do you really need a Pope to tell you that "transsexual operations" are abomination?
You call your self a Christian, but have such a weak relationship to Jesus?

On judgement day you will hear Jesus say:
Matt 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

The pope, led and counselled by the Holy Ghost, provides a pivotal role in such matters.

The Pope is led and counselled by Satan.

At Landover, all our members are led and counselled by the Holy Ghost.

Your opinion is stupid.

[The Cantabrian]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

I would like to add some views on this matter.

The Bible is silent on many issues, and scripture by itself is insufficient. That is why Christ appointed a 'rock' on which his church would be built, and on which it would grow and develop as society grew and developed.

Pressing matters on which the Bible is silent include genetic engineering, euthanasia, transsexual operations, environmental action, animal rights, human rights, etc. We need to make sure that as Christians we are acting and speaking in a way in which God wants. So if scripture cannot tell us, we look first and foremost to the Church to guide us. Unless you have a pope to lead, there is a risk that people will embark on private interpretation of scripture which can lead to all sorts of undesirable consequences. The pope, led and counselled by the Holy Ghost, provides a pivotal role in such matters.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

The Bible has been preserved only to the extent necessary to preserve "essential teachings."

What a puny, inept god those liberals worship. Our God has no problem preserving every word:

Psalm 12:6-7: The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Isaiah 40:8: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matt. 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[TheBibleBanger]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

I was especially motivated to read this when I saw one of the points that Pastor Isaac Peters mentioned being widely quoted as Biblical, but which in fact, is not: (1. God helps those who help themselves.)

I've been burning about these false quotes for years! But this is the first venue I found in which I was able to discuss and expose these falsities. I am so thankful to come across this thread!

I hope it's okay to add something here. I don't know if the following expression (which has been falsely attributed to the Bible) is rampant, or if it's restricted to certain areas... But I grew up hearing adults say, "If you take one step, God takes two!"

Now, when I was a kid, I had only read snippets of the Bible; but even then I hated that expression! It just didn't sound right; what about the times when we're unable to take a single step, eh??

Then, the summer I turned 17, I dedicated myself to reading the entire Bible from cover to cover. It took me 2 and a half months. I remember keeping an eye out for that blurb, but it was nowhere in the Word.

Believe it or not, to this day when I tell people who use that phrase that it's not Biblical, they say, "Oh no, it's there! You just have to read your Bible!" But I have since read the Bible from beginning to end at least 3 full times, and that phrase is not in the Bible.

P.S. I know I don't have any special wisdom just because I've read the Bible a few times. Reading isn't the same as inspired and proper interpretation. I simply wanted to see for myself what God said. I also wanted to be able to differentiate God's Word from the dribble that people so often attribute to 'being in the Bible.'

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

Amen... The RCC really screwed things up when they booted the eastern Christians (Byzantine, eastern Ortodox, Coptics, etc.) out of the church in 1054 or questioning papal infallibilty and not wanting priests to marry and have good Christian gfamilies.

Good point, priestly celibacy is nowhere in the Bible. The apostles were quite clearly married:
1 Corinthians 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Catholic "bishops" are in fact not bishops at all, for they fail the basic criteria set out by the Bible:
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)



How anyone can get priestly celibacy from that is beyond me.

Just have faith and you'll get to heaven-works don't matter one bit!

James 2:24 "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."

"See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." is not in the Bible. I think you mean "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

The gifts of the Spirit, such as tongues, have ceased.

Nowhere in the Bible does the Spirit put an expiration date on His gifts. The closest thing to a Biblical proof is a strained interpretation of the following:

1 Cor. 13:8: Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.

However, that verse must be read to be internally consistent. If tongues have ceased, then it must also be the case that prophecies have failed and knowledge has vanished away. Have these other things come to pass? (On second thought, in the liberal church of compromise, knowledge most certainly has vanished away, but we True Christians™ still have it.)

[Brother Barnabus]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

But then, what's the explanation? How do you reconcile it?

If anyone has the blasphemous audacity to imply that the Bible contradicts itself, the following protocol is implemented:

1. Question their motives ..example "Why do you hate Jesus?"
2. Question their religious affiliation ..... "Are you a Godless heathen?"
3. Question their sexual orientation? "Are you a homer/lezbean, morfodite sodomite?
4. Question their patriotism "Are you a Eurotrash Commie?"
5. Question their intelligence "How many fingers on one hand is your IQ?"

Feel free to add your own. God mockers deserve no mercy.

Amen!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

dont you see that's a question, its not a statement saying its a shame to have long hair, its asking is it a shame to have long hair.

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

and back then nearly everyone had long hair.

Please provide your historical evidence for that assertion. While you're at it, please explain what "nearly everyone" did has to do with God's will.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

I'd like to add one more to this:

5. It's o.k. for men to have long hair, since Jesus did.

Absolutely NOT! Those portraits of Jesus looking like a rock star were concocted in the 60's by a bunch of atheist liberals. All True Christian men are to look like Marines; anything less is downright homer.

Lev 19:27 [KJV] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

[Kaneaintable]

Re: Things that the Bible doesn't say

1 Cor. 11:14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

dont you see that's a question, its not a statement saying its a shame to have long hair, its asking is it a shame to have long hair.

and back then nearly everyone had long hair.