[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

As a predominately Catholic country, the rate of Portuguese salvation would be minuscule.

As a nation, America has received a cornucopia of blessings from the Lord. Today, Portugal is nearly a third world backwater. God's Will is manifest in the US, and in the hearts of its' English speaking Christians. Portugal (note the spelling) can claim no exceptional (or even ordinary) blessing from God. Had they opened their hearts to God more deservedly in 1611, God would have conferred the translation of His Word into their hands. That He did not is something you should accept.

[DarinC]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

Jesus spoke what??!

The evidence is overwhelming that He spoke Aramaic. He may have had some understanding of Hebrew and Greek, but the evidence for that is sketchy at best.

Also, please think about this; God wants us to be richly rewarded for our faith.



The United States is the single most powerful and wealthy nation in the world. I believe that America is God's favorite country, and that American is His favorite language.

He probably spoke all three....Galalian Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek, because he was speaking to alot of Greek people thanks to the influence of Alexander the Great. Anyway, that's not the point...the point is, He was not speaking English. The original scriptures was not written in English...the old Testament was written in Hebrew and the Book of Esther and some of Daniel was in Aramaic. The New Testament was written in Greek. KJ translated it from those languages to the English dialect of his time. Can God not find some anointed, Spirit filled people to translate it from that dialect of English into our dialect of English?....as I said in another post...can the God of the whole universe not find someone to translate it into all the other languages of the world as well? What exactly does your belief that America is God's favorite country have to do with my original topic here? Are you, and others apparently, actually implying that God would only care to make one translation of the Bible for only American's in the United States to read, because he likes us more than the people of other "nations, kindreds and tongues"...as the book of Revelations puts it? Huh? Are you implying that....what exactly are you implying?

[Levi Jones]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

I stand corrected....BUT....my point is....it's not OUR version of English...right?

In a way it is. The KJV and the Geneva Study were what our ancestors carried to the U.S.

[DarinC]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

As a predominately Catholic country, the rate of Portuguese salvation would be minuscule.

As a nation, America has received a cornucopia of blessings from the Lord. Today, Portugal is nearly a third world backwater. God's Will is manifest in the US, and in the hearts of its' English speaking Christians. Portugal (note the spelling) can claim no exceptional (or even ordinary) blessing from God. Had they opened their hearts to God more deservedly in 1611, God would have conferred the translation of His Word into their hands. That He did not is something you should accept.

That is not the point!! Gees....I randomly picked Portugal out of the air! I could have said Germany or France or Italy or Mongolia or Thailand. My point was that if God can find King James and his fellow translators to translate the Holy Word from Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek into the English dialect of his time...can He not find someone just as anointed, wise and Spirit filled to translate it into Modern English or any other language in the world for that matter? Anyway, what exactly are you saying? That God is not working through and manifesting His Spirit in devout Christians of other nations? That's not what you are saying...is it?

[DarinC]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

In a way it is. The KJV and the Geneva Study were what our ancestors carried to the U.S.

Holy cow...I think I'M speaking in Portugal here! Let me rephrase this...The people of King James day did NOT speak the same English dialect that we speak today...right? I have not said to anyone this week or anytime that I can recall over the last decade or so..."Wilt thou please comest over here, I beseech thee?" THAT is my point.....

[DarinC]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

Look folks....I can see this thing is getting twisted and turned and I've started some kind of....I'm not sure what I've started here. But maybe I need to just gracefully bow out. Though it strayed WAY off the topic, I can't say I agree with everything that's been said here, and in some ways I'm a bit shocked. It sounds like many of you are implying that the United States is God's country of choice and He is not willing to bless or use His people of other nations and tongues. He did tell us to "Pray for the peace of Israel..." didn't He. I don't think we are the only country He cares anything about. I don't think God is prejudice that way. I think He loves "whosoever will" and I think He will bless and use someone in Portugal or the jungles of Africa as quick as He will use me or you if that person accepts Christ and lives for Him and by His word. I love our country, don't get me wrong, but our country is not without it's faults and un-Godliness. Anyone can see that. He said "a nation that forgets God will be turned into Hell." That would not exclude our country either if we turned away from Him....and in some ways, our nation has turned away from him. We wouldn't have 1.4 million abortions every year in this country if we were a perfect Godly nation. We wouldn't have some of the junk being shown on our TV or the Internet if we're so great and righteous. We wouldn't have teenagers in our highschools thinking they were born homosexual and it's OK, just because Oprah said so...and we would still have prayer in school, among other things....just my opinion. I think our country needs alot of prayer. Anyway, may God be with you all.....don't bother private messaging the moderators to have me banned....I won't be back.

[exMormon]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

DarinC,

Please read these articles from John Chick, a friend of our Church.

http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/nkjv.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_61.asp

DarinC, all other versions of the Bible are created by Satan and the Catholic Church. Reading these Bibles pretty much assures you an eternity in Hellfire. How can you find the real Jesus in NIV? RSV? NRSV? ASV? You can't. The Christ you find in those versions is a false Christ.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

Too bad. It looks like another false Christian ran screaming into the night when confronted with God's own truth.

Just when I was about to lay my patented SALVATION SLAMMER(c) move on him too.

[Levi Jones]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

Holy cow...I think I'M speaking in Portugal here! Let me rephrase this...The people of King James day did NOT speak the same English dialect that we speak today...right? I have not said to anyone this week or anytime that I can recall over the last decade or so..."Wilt thou please comest over here, I beseech thee?" THAT is my point.....

I don't know, Darin. I often pray in the Baskerville English.

Oh LORD, we beseech Ye with faith that can move mountains Matthew 17:20. Like David, we humbly pray You slay Your enemies. We hate those that hate Ye, oh LORD! Psalm 139:19-23

Something along those lines.

[DarinC]

OK....OK....the jokes on me....

I'm a liberal live Christian so I guess I need to see myself out.....farewell.

[Levi Jones]

Re: OK....OK....the jokes on me....

I'm a liberal live Christian so I guess I need to see myself out.....farewell.

Stick around. Prove us wrong, Darin. You'll find we are vastly deep reservoir of biblical knowledge.

I would wager we could dust you up pretty badly, using the Bible.

[Levi Jones]

Re: King James Version of the Bible?

Hey Darin, I too have read multiple translations of the Bible. Personally, I prefer Young's Literal Translation for study purposes and tiebreakers. I am also trying to get the Greek to go into my puny brain. I can read the Latin a little.

I will tell you this, a major thing in favor of the KJV is the fact that it uses thou and you. Without the formal and familiar second person tense, we lose so much of the meaning of the Bible.

I know you don't care for the NIV and I completely agree with you. It is meant to be readable by a sixth grader. The Bible in Basic English and The Message are even worse.

The degradation of our language is yet another reason we need the KJV.