[Kyrre Eliasen]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

Deuteronomy 32:1-10 (King James Version)

Deuteronomy 32

1Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

2My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

3Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

4He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Because all his work is perfect, this tells us that man (Adam) was not corrupted when created,but was perfect, but corrupted himself, by his being disloyal to God.


Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


This scripture is saying that God was talking to Jesus and said "let us make man in our image". This means that we are like God in that we were perfect( would not die) and have the same qualities of God.


Romans 5 (King James Version)

Romans 5
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The reason no man born of corruption ( from Adam) was used as a ransom, was that Adam was perfect, but all of Adams offspring were not perfect. Even though there were men that did follow God in a righteous way.
The one to come is Jesus, and he was to ransom mankind with the "similitude of Adam's transgression" Jesus was perfect just like Adam, so this would be the same type of situation that Adam had. A perfect man that lost perfection, able to ransome the rest of mankind by a perfect man who stayed loyal. Thus this gave mankind the opportunity to gain what was lost .

The great creatotore will poke you in the eye.

[Basilissa]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Greetings fellow Brothers and Sisters,i have just finished educating myself on the epics of Samson (book of judges if you were unaware). But it seems i have not grasped the true underlying message that God is presenting through the lords book. I ask to be enlightened of this topic and thank you in advance.

Sincerely and faithfully,
Apollo

Hello and to our friendly forum, Apollo! It's a bit strange that you are starting reading the Bible from the middle rather than from the beginning, but whatever works for you! I hope you will continue reading the Bible to cover all the books and chapters before Judges 14 and after Judges 16. I mean, reading three chapters of a single book is great, but reading all of the 66 books would be even better!

[Apollo2]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Greetings fellow Brothers and Sisters,i have just finished educating myself on the epics of Samson (book of judges if you were unaware). But it seems i have not grasped the true underlying message that God is presenting through the lords book. I ask to be enlightened of this topic and thank you in advance.


Sincerely and faithfully,
Apollo

[Basilissa]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Good one

All verses of the Bible are "good ones," dear, because all Bible is the Word of God, only truth, all truth, and nothing but the truth! Praise !

[Collinslaw]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

OK, so this verse tells me not to judge other people's servants, just focus on judging mine. What's your point, exactly?[/FONT]
I love that chapter! This is where Paul tells us that he's better than all of us because he's so modest and non-judgmental. It hurts my head a little when I try to understand that apparent contradiction with human logic, but then I read 1 Cor 4:10 and rejoice for being an illogical Fool For Christ!

Good one

[jfcoopjr]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

As my daddy used to teach, "If we could explain it, it wouldn't be called Faith!"

"For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." (Isaiah 47:10)

[Basilissa]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

It depends in which situations. Those verses are in the Bible too.

Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:3-4

OK, so this verse tells me not to judge other people's servants, just focus on judging mine. What's your point, exactly?

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

I love that chapter! This is where Paul tells us that he's better than all of us because he's so modest and non-judgmental. It hurts my head a little when I try to understand that apparent contradiction with human logic, but then I read 1 Cor 4:10 and rejoice for being an illogical Fool For Christ!

[JakubDovac]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

There are quite a few Passages you are overlooking:

Ephesians 4:30:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22:
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God "unto the day of redemption." It protects us from falling away again.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man is able to "pluck us from Jesus' hand" once Jesus gave us eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is nothing on this world that can separate us from Jesus' Love, once we have accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.

Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If God called you to be Saved™, you are Saved™, because God doesn't repent about that.

Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God will finish the Work He has begun in us until the last of days. He will prevent us from falling away.

1 Peter 1:5:
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Again, it is God who makes sure that we keep believing in Him and are Saved™. To say that Saved™ people can fall away again is to deny God's Power to keep us from doing so.

So you see, once a person is Saved™, God will make sure that that person remains Saved™. Are you doubting His Almighty Power?

You may be overlooking some too, sir.


but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2


But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. 1 Samuel 16:14

If there was no free will, then God had none either.

[JakubDovac]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge.

It depends in which situations. Those verses are in the Bible too.


Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:3-4


Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

[Basilissa]

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About judgement: many other people in public have attacked me for mocking the accents of non-Kiwis. Then I always show them John 7:24 to proof that it only talks about how a person looks outside.

I don't know what is a non-Kiwi (do you refer to strawberries? avocados? garlic? non-food items?), but I do agree that God judges people based on how they sound.

One of my favorite passages in the Bible talk about killing all people who cannot pronounce words correctly:

Judges 12:5-6
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

There are quite a few Passages you are overlooking:

Ephesians 4:30:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22:
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God "unto the day of redemption." It protects us from falling away again.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man is able to "pluck us from Jesus' hand" once Jesus gave us eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is nothing on this world that can separate us from Jesus' Love, once we have accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.

Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If God called you to be Saved™, you are Saved™, because God doesn't repent about that.

Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God will finish the Work He has begun in us until the last of days. He will prevent us from falling away.

1 Peter 1:5:
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Again, it is God who makes sure that we keep believing in Him and are Saved™. To say that Saved™ people can fall away again is to deny God's Power to keep us from doing so.

So you see, once a person is Saved™, God will make sure that that person remains Saved™. Are you doubting His Almighty Power?

Amen, that is correct. I'm also glad you picked up Isaiah 45:7, most 'Christians' keep skipping that verse and ignore the warning in Revelation 22:18-19. Sad, but true.

About judgement: many other people in public have attacked me for mocking the accents of non-Kiwis. Then I always show them John 7:24 to proof that it only talks about how a person looks outside.

[Roland]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

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Again, based on the scriptural soundness of this man's sermons, if he is currently engaging in sin, I'd like to at least consider him a Christ Seeker, who will at some point in the future could fully accept Christ into his heart and cast away with his last remaining vestiges of sin once and for all. I won't know for sure until we're both dead, but I'd like to think his odds are very good

I think we can agree that he is a better christian than most.

[Prayer Warrior]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Hello Brentin,

Here lies the issue: You can not be a sinner and saved at the same time. This pastor claims he is a sinner, thus not saved. As far as I understand that means he will go to his lake of fire and brimstone, gnashing his teeth.

Kind regards,

Roland

I'm not a theologian, so it difficult for me to say for certain as I don't know the man well enough to know what sins he has committed or when he committed them.

Based on the scriptural soundness of the teachings I've seen from him so far, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he's probably describing himself as a sinner in the sense that he has sinned at some point in his life prior to being saved. For example, some people might describe the thief on the cross from Luke 23:39-43 as a "thief", "criminal", or "sinner" etc. based on his past actions. Since the majority of his life was filled with crime, most people consider him a "criminal", but he is still saved since he converted after these crimes occurred.

Again, based on the scriptural soundness of this man's sermons, if he is currently engaging in sin, I'd like to at least consider him a Christ Seeker, who will at some point in the future could fully accept Christ into his heart and cast away with his last remaining vestiges of sin once and for all. I won't know for sure until we're both dead, but I'd like to think his odds are very good

[Roland]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

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I'm open to further knowledge to those of more wisdom. But I read from these verses which clearly states who will get to heaven. And if they have Truely repented of there sins, and have been justified and sanctified through the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. That you can be perfect in fact the bible clearly calls for us to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Hello Brentin,

Here lies the issue: You can not be a sinner and saved at the same time. This pastor claims he is a sinner, thus not saved. As far as I understand that means he will go to his lake of fire and brimstone, gnashing his teeth.

Kind regards,

Roland

[Brentin]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

At 4:48 this guy says he is a sinner. To him it doesn´t seem like a huge issue. Will he go to hell?

The Bible clearly states in
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:11-18
11. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

I'm open to further knowledge to those of more wisdom. But I read from these verses which clearly states who will get to heaven. And if they have Truely repented of there sins, and have been justified and sanctified through the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. That you can be perfect in fact the bible clearly calls for us to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.