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  • Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by epignosis View Post
    The scriptures I mentioned are also in the bible, just as the ones you brought up. So, is this a contradiction of the bible it'self, or is it to be understood a different way? What I mean, is there deeper understanding to this?
    If you took the scriptures I quoted and the ones you quoted literately or a least at face value you would have a contradiction of the scriptures. One side saying do not judge and other side saying it is OK to judge.
    So are you saying Matthew 7:1-5 is not correct? Or is inaccurate?


    Matthew 7:1–5
    aJudge not, bthat ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and cwith what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, dfirst cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
    Matthew 7 is only if you are judging hypocritically. It would be like me having an affair on my wife while judging you for doing the same.

    It's something you have to be careful of.

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  • epignosis
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Zechariah Smyth View Post
    Yup, lots of folks cherry-pick those verses, and totally neglect some like this:

    (Leviticus 19:15) "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

    and

    (John 7:24) "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

    Etc. etc.

    Friend, you appear to have a passing familiarity with the Bible, or at least some reasonably decent internets skills, but in order to gain entrance to Heaven you must accept the WHOLE Bible.

    (Deuteronomy 4:2) "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."



    Yours in Christ,

    Z. Smyth


    The scriptures I mentioned are also in the bible, just as the ones you brought up. So, is this a contradiction of the bible it'self, or is it to be understood a different way? What I mean, is there deeper understanding to this?
    If you took the scriptures I quoted and the ones you quoted literately or a least at face value you would have a contradiction of the scriptures. One side saying do not judge and other side saying it is OK to judge.
    So are you saying Matthew 7:1-5 is not correct? Or is inaccurate?


    Matthew 7:1–5
    aJudge not, bthat ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and cwith what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, dfirst cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

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  • Zechariah Smyth
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by epignosis View Post
    James 4:12 (King James Version)

    12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

    Romans 14:4 (King James Version)

    4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


    Matthew 7:1-5 (King James Version)

    Matthew 7

    1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    We have to be very careful , when it comes to judging others. Because in the end it comes to God doing the judging, and it may be found that our judging maybe actually against God.
    Yup, lots of folks cherry-pick those verses, and totally neglect some like this:

    (Leviticus 19:15) "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

    and

    (John 7:24) "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

    Etc. etc.

    Friend, you appear to have a passing familiarity with the Bible, or at least some reasonably decent internets skills, but in order to gain entrance to Heaven you must accept the WHOLE Bible.

    (Deuteronomy 4:2) "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."



    Yours in Christ,

    Z. Smyth

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  • epignosis
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
    Matthew 7:1-5 Explained
    The so-called "prohibition against judging"



    Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge. Period. I hope this exegesis of Matthew 7:1-5 has been enlightening for you and and you will refrain from looking like an idiot in the future by claiming that "Jesus said we can't judge others".

    Yours in Christ,

    Rev. Jim Osborne
    James 4:12 (King James Version)

    12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

    Romans 14:4 (King James Version)

    4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


    Matthew 7:1-5 (King James Version)

    Matthew 7

    1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    We have to be very careful , when it comes to judging others. Because in the end it comes to God doing the judging, and it may be found that our judging maybe actually against God.

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  • Pastor Isaac Peters
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Booger View Post
    are you seriously proud in yourself for how you berate others? doesnt that mean your damned to hell? (ad hominem arguments snipped)
    I have a fun new idea. Maybe you can read the Bible verses that have been cited to you and find out.

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  • Booger
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    are you seriously proud in yourself for how you berate others? doesnt that mean your damned to hell? and your no stud either buddy...you look like a cancer patient...have fun with your naive thoughts

    thats funny looking

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  • Pastor Ezekiel
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Booger View Post
    yea thats saying your perfect...lol
    The Holy Bible says what it says. Do you presume to know more than God?

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  • Booger
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
    True Christians are perfect if you actually bother to read the Bible.


    yea thats saying your perfect...lol

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  • Pastor Ezekiel
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Booger View Post
    wow you think your perfect? i thought only god and jesus were perfect...so now your saying your god? haha i believe your going to hell for saying that
    Friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says). We are washed clean of sin in His blood. Shout GLORY!

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  • Ezekiel Bathfire
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    I have no idea where you get the idea of us humans being able to attain perfection, but, "Once Save, Always Saved" so that's enough to get into Heaven.

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  • Booger
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    wow you think your perfect? i thought only god and jesus were perfect...so now your saying your god? haha i believe your going to hell for saying that

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  • BelieverInGod
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Nachogod View Post
    Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.
    Yeah, that's not in my Bible. In fact it seems that you made it up.

    Deuteronomy 4:2
    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

    Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue.
    Wrong again.

    2nd Timothy 4:1-2 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.



    I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.
    Not sure exactly what you're trying to say here. Are your demons becoming riled?

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  • Levi Jones
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Nachogod View Post
    Christianity. You sir, are doing it wrong.

    Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.

    I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue. I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.
    True Christians are perfect if you actually bother to read the Bible.

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  • Nachodemon
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by Nobar King View Post
    There's a reason why people don't like being judged: they already feel bad about the things they have done. That's why people get so defensive when you tell them that they're doing it wrong.

    You would think that people would be more receptive to good moral advice.
    Christianity. You sir, are doing it wrong.

    Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.

    I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue. I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.

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  • BelieverInGod
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    Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

    Originally posted by BeboopBerkins View Post
    plus you guys smell
    I believe that may be the brimstone of Hell that you're smelling. Demons tend to get rather upset when their posesee comes onto our boards.

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