[cabrin]

Re: Questions to ask liberal "Christians"

So now we have to take a philosophy class to understand what "thou shalt not steal" means? You intellectual elitists reall have a fine racket set up for yourselves.

Thou shalt not steal is pretty clear. So is thou shalt not kill.

But, as it happens, Jesus killed*, and for very little reason. So, perhaps they are not quite as literal as they seem.

* - Gospel of Thomas

[Redeemed Papist]

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That seems rather mean when taken into context. Jesus doesn't even want the people he is preaching to understand his meaning.

That's not the portrait of the loving Christ I have always had in my mind.

And there's your problem.

You're hung up on what's in your mind instead of what's in the Bible. If you hadn't been corrupted by your wishy washy interpretationist thinking you'd know that your God is a jealous God. You'd know that your God didn't muck about sending Jesus to die for you just so you could shilly shally about allegory this and non-literall that to wriggle out of doing His will.

Mark 6:11, 12 11And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
12And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Jesus said it how it was. God doesn't mess around and all your wishy washy stuff can't hide that. No parable, just straight talking.

[epignosis]

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Not here, friend. While I've disagreed with you on a couple of points over the last couple of days, I do agree with your "whole Bible" approach.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

That's good to hear, I have talked to ones that even have had their, faith eroded to the point that they question if God did really create all that we see around us.
My goal here is not to debate but really just to use the scriptures, and for all to get a better understanding . I may bring up some things you never had though about before. And the same from you.

2 Timothy 3 (King James Version)

2 Timothy 3

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Ok, thats great. So many Christians seem to think parts of the bible are not relevant any more.

Not here, friend. While I've disagreed with you on a couple of points over the last couple of days, I do agree with your "whole Bible" approach.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[epignosis]

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Amen! That's our thinking on the matter.

Ok, thats great. So many Christians seem to think parts of the bible are not relevant any more.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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All scripture is inspired for us, to use.

Amen! That's our thinking on the matter.

[epignosis]

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If only you had read the Bible, then you would know that the parables mentioned in the verses you quote were very clearly marked as parables. On the other hand the 6 day creation is not marked as a parable, the ten commandments are not marked as a parable, the hatred for the Nicolaitanes' actions is not marked as a parable.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

If Jesus says He's talking in parables then He is talking in parables.
When God does not mention He's talking in parables, then it is not a parable.

It is as simple as that.

I wonder if you noticed that in verse 14 of Mathew 13 that they would not understand the parable.

Matthew 13:13-15 (King James Version)

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
This is talking about people that hear the words but do not perceive: or have understanding. This is talking about Christians. It is not our place to say which scriptures , we will use and not others. All scripture is inspired for us, to use.

[epignosis]

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That seems rather mean when taken into context. Jesus doesn't even want the people he is preaching to understand his meaning.

That's not the portrait of the loving Christ I have always had in my mind.

Actually this is what the bible says on this. It is really the bible we should look to. For understanding. We are to know who God is and what he requires of us. That is why the bible was written to us.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (King James Version)

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The bible is profitable, for doctrine, for our correction, and our instruction. These are really not my words. The bible says that all scripture is inspired for our instruction. There are many Christian religions, why is that so, since we all use the same book? It is because many use their own ideas, or only parts of the bible. It is really important to look to the bible for our answers.



John 4:23-24 (King James Version)

23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

This means the truth of Gods word. We were given the bible to know God, and what his purposes are and how we fit in that. All of it is there for a purpose, and is meant to be understood.

Joshua 1:8 (King James Version)

8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
This verse mentions all that is written, we should observe. And study it day and night. God really asks us to get to know him, and we do that through the bible, and prayer.

[A Follower]

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The simple answer to this is, that God can then give this meaning to the ones he wants. In other words it is hidden to the ones not deserving. Also it can be given at the correct time.

Mark 4:11 (King James Version)

11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Matthew 13:11-13 (King James Version)

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

If only you had read the Bible, then you would know that the parables mentioned in the verses you quote were very clearly marked as parables. On the other hand the 6 day creation is not marked as a parable, the ten commandments are not marked as a parable, the hatred for the Nicolaitanes' actions is not marked as a parable.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

If Jesus says He's talking in parables then He is talking in parables.
When God does not mention He's talking in parables, then it is not a parable.

It is as simple as that.

[Samuel Coleridge]

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The simple answer to this is, that God can then give this meaning to the ones he wants. In other words it is hidden to the ones not deserving. Also it can be given at the correct time.

Mark 4:11 (King James Version)

11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Matthew 13:11-13 (King James Version)

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

That seems rather mean when taken into context. Jesus doesn't even want the people he is preaching to understand his meaning.

That's not the portrait of the loving Christ I have always had in my mind.

[epignosis]

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Why should any part of Scripture not have meaning until it is “interpreted correctly”? Why should we read a text that presents itself as a straightforward instruction manual for life as though it had layers of hidden meaning that only the adept could understand? Can the Almighty not express Himself clearly? Also, since the Bible is given to us for our salvation, why would a loving God make Bible understanding, and thus salvation, contingent on being clever enough, persistent enough, or both to ferret out the hidden meaning?

The simple answer to this is, that God can then give this meaning to the ones he wants. In other words it is hidden to the ones not deserving. Also it can be given at the correct time.

Mark 4:11 (King James Version)

11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Matthew 13:11-13 (King James Version)

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Nevertheless, a good part of your questions could have been solved by a philosophy class,

So now we have to take a philosophy class to understand what "thou shalt not steal" means? You intellectual elitists reall have a fine racket set up for yourselves.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I've read most of your questions, and I have to admit that some of them can create controversy. Nevertheless, a good part of your questions could have been solved by a philosophy class, where you would've learned about how to justify an argument by not making a sophist out of yourself.

Have a good day.

That's typical liberal Christian bluffing, asserting that the answers are out there without saying what they are.

You have a blessed day, too, and I will pray that you may read the Bible and become saved.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Liberalism is very bad. When the liberals succeeded my country, we went d' a kingdom thrives with a poor dictatorship without rights or freedoms. It is incompatible with Christianity!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I've read most of your questions, and I have to admit that some of them can create controversy. Nevertheless, a good part of your questions could have been solved by a philosophy class, where you would've learned about how to justify an argument by not making a sophist out of yourself.

Have a good day.

Is that it? ^^ One cryptic comment and he's off - another 481 - hit and run. Anyhoo - philosophy? I think he must have meant theology.

Indeed, God warns us off "philosophy" in the Holy Bible. There is no future in studying old Greek fags or modern French ones.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.