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Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)
No, you were conferring with priests to figure out what you were going to say. It is very telling that it took you THIS long to come up with a defense. and even then you skipped some points and made strawman arguments for others. Sadly, you're too late. Debate rules dictate that you surrendered. Making up stories about your internet being lost is no excuse. You either forget about the thread or your internet was down: Which is it?
You were last online OCT 14 2009 at 1:11PM. Before that, the same day, at 3:38AM. Before that OCT 13 2009 at 10:49PM. I was really hoping you would seek forgiveness for your past support of pedophilia. It was saddening to think that you had killed yourself out of shame and were now destined for Hell because you committed suicide, but on some small level that would be better than your current situation which is that you are destined for Hell because you're an accomplice to child rape.
Where did I say that the Pope claimed to be God? Exactly, I didn't. Nice strawman argument.
I said he claimed to be His vicar and that's what I meant.
If you state that the Pope is God's vicar then you are stating that God supports pedophiles and homosexuality because the Pope sure does and he is supposedly His representative. You also would have to conclude that God has forsaken His own laws, seeing as the Vatican is a soveriegn state yet DOES NOT enforce biblical law!!! THAT IS BLASPHEMY!!!!
If you want to argue papal fallibility then what makes the Pope any more Christ's vicar than any other human being? Where do your cardinals get off thinking that they can arbitrarily decide who is God's vicar or who is a new addition to the growing list of intermediaries between God and man (saints (i.e. minor catholic deities)). UTTER BLASPHEMY!!!
No, the "church" buggered some little boys for sexual gratification. BIG DIFFERENCE. The "church" covers up child molestation cases, issues out hush money, rescues homosexual child rapist from local authorities and then puts them back in positions so that they can rape children all over again because they don't think anything is wrong with pedophilia. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Another strawman argument. I take it you couldn't agrue against my actual points so you have to make up a weaker position that you can tear down.
I said that one repented while one continues to sin to this very day.
Are you really so stupid as to think that some crusty old Nazi pervert, who had to be given immunity for prosecution in order to step foot on U.S. soil, saying that he is sorry for protecting pedophiles changes anything?
The Pope is STILL protecting these epdophiles TO THIS DAY!!! RIGHT NOW THOSE BUTT BUGGERING PRIESTS ARE STILL WALKING AROUND FREE!!!
RIGHT NOW!!!!
Yes, you support the pedophiles (which are not a small group. 33% isn't a small group.). If not for catholics like you they wouldn't have the ability to keep the Roman Pagan Pedophile Church going. It's your tithes and your complacency with evil that makes the Pope's policy of protection possible.
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." - Romans 1:28-32
Jesus disagrees (read the verse quoted above... and the ones quoted below)
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." - 2 John 1:9-10
Well, letting a pedophile know that he can rape all the little children he wants and not have to fear any prosecution. Not only that, but that he'll simply be moved to another area to go about molesting more children sure sounds like bidding them godspeed to me.
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15
Yet you catholics allows these men to remain yoked with you. YOU allow it. YOU are complacent with it. YOU are guilty.
1.) How are they your leaders? Because you ALLOW it. Nobody forced them on you. You chose to support them and stick by them despite their support for pedophilia. Take some responsibility, repent and stop supporting pedophilia before it's too late.
2.) YOU are NOT God. Those verses don't apply to you.
Your "church" is a false pagan institution. That question is nonsensical as the catholic "church" preaches the wide path into Hell.
None of those verse contradict the fact that we True Christians are now without sin and cannot sin. You either believe that True Christians are without sin or you must conclude that the Bible contradicts itself. Either way you lose.
I beg to differ.
Is the Vatican enacting Biblical Law? Yes or No?
Purgatory? Mary worship? 
I definitely beg to differ.
Seeing as you have already lost this debate I am only replying to you as a curtesy. If you do not address every one of my points in your next post, I will remove your next post. I'm getting alittle tired of you ignoring subjects you clearly have no answer for (couldn't come up with a strawman?). Keep that in mind before you waste your time typing out a reply that will be deleted if I skim through it and find that you have ignored anything. Because no one will be reading it.
Originally posted by Sacred Heart
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You were last online OCT 14 2009 at 1:11PM. Before that, the same day, at 3:38AM. Before that OCT 13 2009 at 10:49PM. I was really hoping you would seek forgiveness for your past support of pedophilia. It was saddening to think that you had killed yourself out of shame and were now destined for Hell because you committed suicide, but on some small level that would be better than your current situation which is that you are destined for Hell because you're an accomplice to child rape.
This is a sad misunderstanding of the word, "vicar".
The Pope is a representative of Christ. He is NOT Christ, and he is NOT perfect. By definition, the Vicar of Christ acts in His stead until the final coming.
The Pope is a representative of Christ. He is NOT Christ, and he is NOT perfect. By definition, the Vicar of Christ acts in His stead until the final coming.
I said he claimed to be His vicar and that's what I meant. If you state that the Pope is God's vicar then you are stating that God supports pedophiles and homosexuality because the Pope sure does and he is supposedly His representative. You also would have to conclude that God has forsaken His own laws, seeing as the Vatican is a soveriegn state yet DOES NOT enforce biblical law!!! THAT IS BLASPHEMY!!!!
If you want to argue papal fallibility then what makes the Pope any more Christ's vicar than any other human being? Where do your cardinals get off thinking that they can arbitrarily decide who is God's vicar or who is a new addition to the growing list of intermediaries between God and man (saints (i.e. minor catholic deities)). UTTER BLASPHEMY!!!
Quite so. Peter denied Jesus three times in order to avoid persecution, but ended up being persecuted later anyway. The Church acted to avoid persecution, but ended up being persecuted later anyway. You really fail to see the similarities? Open your eyes, they stare you in the face 
No, the "church" buggered some little boys for sexual gratification. BIG DIFFERENCE. The "church" covers up child molestation cases, issues out hush money, rescues homosexual child rapist from local authorities and then puts them back in positions so that they can rape children all over again because they don't think anything is wrong with pedophilia. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Now who had the greater sin? Does it matter? Are you arguing that if anyone commits a sin greater than denying Jesus three times, then all truth will cease to come from them? Are they damned right at that moment? Is that what Scripture says? Nope.
I said that one repented while one continues to sin to this very day.
I can see that you see deny Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela as any act of repentance. Despite that it abolished The Crimen Sollicitationis?
The Pope is STILL protecting these epdophiles TO THIS DAY!!! RIGHT NOW THOSE BUTT BUGGERING PRIESTS ARE STILL WALKING AROUND FREE!!!
RIGHT NOW!!!!
Well, for the sake of this thread, let's talk about this from your perspective then. Was it the Catholic Church and their teachings and doctrines and dogma that you find to be in error? Or is the acts of a small group of men within the Church? Did indeed the entire Church commit this sin? Would you say that I have sinned along with the entire body of the Catholic Community because of the sins of these men?
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." - Romans 1:28-32
These men are not Adam. Their sin does not fall upon their children, not their brothers either for that matter. Would you say I sin now as I support this? That would be untrue, as I do not support abusive priests. However, I argue that the sins of the few cannot be used to judge the multitude of the faithful.
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." - 2 John 1:9-10
Well, letting a pedophile know that he can rape all the little children he wants and not have to fear any prosecution. Not only that, but that he'll simply be moved to another area to go about molesting more children sure sounds like bidding them godspeed to me.
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15
Yet you catholics allows these men to remain yoked with you. YOU allow it. YOU are complacent with it. YOU are guilty.
Would you say that because of our leader's sin, that our entire organization must bear no truth? Again, let us look to Scripture...
Romans 3:3-4 - will their infidelity nullify the fidelity of God? No!
2 Timothy 2:13 - if we are all unfaithful, God remains faithful
Romans 3:3-4 - will their infidelity nullify the fidelity of God? No!
2 Timothy 2:13 - if we are all unfaithful, God remains faithful
2.) YOU are NOT God. Those verses don't apply to you.
Say that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is sinning right now at this very moment. Does that negate the truths of the Catholic Church?
If you cannot commit sin, as you claim with your interpretation here, how do you explain the following verses? What do they mean to you?
Matthew 10:22 - he who endures to the end will be saved
Matthew 24:13 - he who perseveres to the end will be saved
Romans 11:22 - Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off
Rev 22:19 - take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city
Matthew 10:22 - he who endures to the end will be saved
Matthew 24:13 - he who perseveres to the end will be saved
Romans 11:22 - Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off
Rev 22:19 - take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city
The Doctrines and Dogmas issued forth from the Papacy are as infallible as the Commandments of the Bible. They are equal.
Is the Vatican enacting Biblical Law? Yes or No?
The Dogmas of the Catholic Church include the Marian Dogmas, Purgatory and the like. These are the infallible teachings of the Papacy.
I definitely beg to differ.Seeing as you have already lost this debate I am only replying to you as a curtesy. If you do not address every one of my points in your next post, I will remove your next post. I'm getting alittle tired of you ignoring subjects you clearly have no answer for (couldn't come up with a strawman?). Keep that in mind before you waste your time typing out a reply that will be deleted if I skim through it and find that you have ignored anything. Because no one will be reading it.
. I was thinkin maybe tonight seeins how I aint gotta work or nothin I might go sit in the back a that church a Geenas and get itntertained by watchin some a the antics a them catlicks. I know they have there service at 5 and I thinks it aint more tha about 10 blocks from here I could ride my bike. That does sound like lots a fun. Maybe Ill see if Hank downstairs wanna go with me no he aint gotta bike wed have ta walk oh well walkin naver kilt no body.
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