[James Hutchins]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

HB, I personally feel the pope gets the job by breaking a few kneecaps. I am surprised they allow a non-Sicilian to have the job though.

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

By insinuating that the Pope cannot sin and is incapable of error you fail to understand the meaning of Vicar, which is merely to perform the actions of another in their stead. It does not mean that you will perfectly "become" that person and act EXACTLY as they would. He is Christ's representative, don't give him more credit than he is due

I'm not a idolatrous pagan papist. I have never insinuated that the Pope is infallible. Catholics, like you, have made that claim. If you continue this line of strawman statements I will end this discussion. This applies for all the other strawmen you continue to use throughout the rest of your post. This is your first and final warning. If you cannot formulate an counter argument then admit it and move on. You've already lost the debate and you can't be double defeated. Do not make up weak arguments, attribute them to me and then tear them down.

Say that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is sinning right now at this very moment. Does that negate the truths of the Catholic Church? You say if they repented then that would be okay. So does the truth they preach become less truthful while they dwell in sin? And then when they repent, it become full truth once more?

Another repeat statement that has already been addressed ad nauseam. You are purposely ignoring my responses because you have no counter argument. This particular line of discussion is over. Your intellectual dishonesty constitutes your forfeiture.

Now who had the greater sin? Does it matter? Are you arguing that if anyone commits a sin greater than denying Jesus three times, then all truth will cease to come from them? Are they damned right at that moment? Is that what Scripture says? Nope.

No, I am not arguing the point you pulled out of thin air all on your own.

Does it matter in the end? No. Ultimately, Hell is still Hell for the unrepentent serial rapist and the person who had behaved admirably, but failed to accept Christ. However, some sins are greater than others regardless.

The Pope continues to protect pedophiles. Where are the executions in Vatican square? (Leviticus 20:13) When did he at least turn over all the priest to the police and give them all the case file documentation from the Vatican vaults? No empty decree changes anything. At this moment in time, if the pope died, after the Resurrection he would go to Hell as an unrepentent.

And I have said that this makes no difference whatsoever. Yet you ignored it. See above, starting with "

I said that...

A.) they are not equal sins

and

B.) that Peter repented and your pope did not. THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE!!!!

Romans 3:3-4 - will their infidelity nullify the fidelity of God? No!

Again, already addressed.

33%??? I know you're not talking about priests here! You would never make such a ridiculous claim, and you dont even offer a source to back it up!

Allow me:

Meanwhile, 1.7% of theCatholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia.

Because 31.3% are being protected.

I think reading the next verse will do you well:

"Therefore, you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment. For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself..." (Romans 2:1)

Perhaps you should read the entire passage instead of taking one verse out of context like the salad bar psuedo christian you are.

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?" - Romans 2:1-3

The above applies when I judge another on something that I am guilty of myself. As I am incapable of sin (1 John 3:1-10), I can judge any sinner because I am without guilt. This is a reiterance of Matthew 7:3-5.

Yes, Crimen Sollicitationis was a sin. A terrible sin. However, it is no longer in effect.

Your clergy would be a third lighter if that were truly the case. Empty decrees are... well, empty. I am not going to perpetually go back and forth with you on this. This particular line of discussion is over.

You poor man. You are so confused without the guidance of the Church! How could you possibly hope understand the Word without the help of Christ's Church that indeed defined that Word?

Defined it? YOU, mortal men?!?!?! If you "defined" it then we would not be in disagreement. The Holy Spirit inspires me and shows me Truth, not the Roman Catholic Cult. Get thee off your high horse and behind me, satan!!!

Do I "yoke" these priests to myself as you say? NO! I do not support these men in any way shape or form.

Of course you do, as I explain already in my previous post. Again, you stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and hum as loudly as possible. It is like talking to a wall. This line of discourse is over. Your intellectual dishonesty has once again dictated your forfeiture.

They are not my leader by choice.

So you were forced into catholicism???

....

I didn't think so.

That is the problem with Protestant theology. You all just move from Church to Church until you find one that suits YOUR theology and what you THINK it should be. Just like Martin Luther, you change what has been taught for thousands of years into your own twisted views of what you WANT it to say.

There is no such thing as "Catholics vs Protestants". You do not follow the Bible, therefore you are just as much another drop in the pond of false christian churches. Just another church out of thousands. Don't kid yourself. As if a catholic who didn't like what the church was spewing wouldn't leave and go to another church. Or, as most do, they just ignore the pope and everything associated with catholicism and just claim to be catholic (like secular jews) and live secular lives. Are you really so dense?

My church is the Holy Bible and those who, inspired by the Holy Spirit, believe in it. That simple. If you're not a part of my church then you are with satan - period. There are True Christians and then there is everybody else. "Everybody else", which includes atheist, scientologist, western rites catholics, episcopalians, buddhist, false baptists, eastern rites catholics, hindus, anglicans, muslims, shintoist, eastern orthodoxy, gnostics, mormons, pastafarians, etc. are all equally godless unsaved trash.

You deny the Bible by denying Apostolic Succession. Priests ARE the successors of Christ's Apostles. They have passed on their role through the laying of hands over the centuries during the process of Holy Orders. This is found in the Bible:

Post all the OUT OF CONTEXT verses that in no way, shape or form valid the existence of the Roman Catholic Pagan Mafia in any way whatsoever. Even if you did quote them in context, they still don't say anything about the formation of the catholic cult. You are inferring!!! You spout nothing but conjecture!!! You didn't reading those verses and come to the conclusion that a Roman Catholic Cult exists. Instead, you were taught a lie and then assigned a desired meaning to completely unrelated verses after the fact to try and back up your theory. You should be an evolutionist! There is nothing in the Bible which states your claims. End of discussion.

Christianity was in Rome 20 years before Peter ever arrived and Bishops of Rome did not have any power anywhere close to that of the Pope. Your church history is nothing but myths and legends.

These verses apply to us all! The Catholic Church has and will remain the vehicle of God's Word despite their sins, though this depends on the Fidelity of God.

No, those verses say that God's Word is not false because you choose to be a hypocrite. It says nothing about you, as a mortal man, being able to sin and claim holiness because God is Holy. This has already been addressed. Instead of admitting you have no case you try pull a weak position out of thin air and attack it. If you want to argue against yourself, be my guess. Don't drag me into it.

It clearly shows that our infidelity cannot nullify the fidelity of God.

Strawman. Never said God was at fault for your sins. I've said before, "The Holy Bible KJV1611 is our "dogma". If we, as a church, allowed gays to marry, pastors to molested our children, if our women were loose, if our children were spared spankings and if we preached evolution... how would Jesus judge us? Could we simply fall back on the idea that the Bible is infallible and therefore our church was of Christ? Of course not. Don't be absurd."

I made my point ON THE FIRST PAGE. So why are you still regurgitating the same material. Clearly, your only recourse, given your gigantic pride, was to ignore this simply truth and repeat yourself like a broken record. This line of discussion is over. I will no longer play these games with you.

You make a claim here that Paul clearly forbids. You blame the entire Catholic faith (the Church of Christ itself!) for the actions of those falsely claiming to be His faithful servants. This does not nullify their teachings. Nothing can nullify the Word of God.

I have never said that you molested anyone. I have never said that their sin is your sin. The sin of your priests, in this case, is molesting little boys. Your sin, as a congregation, is allowing them to go unpunished. The pope has no power other than what YOU give him. Without your support he is nothing but a senile old man wearing a dress, living in luxury, flailing a sceptre and sporting a babylonian fish hat. End of story.

This is what YOU are guilty of: Romans 1:31-32, 2 John 1:9-10

This is what THE PRIESTS are guilty of: Leviticus 20:13

Because you are complacent with THE PRIESTS' sins, you are guilty of YOUR sin.

(Romans 11:1-11) Although Isreal has been unfaithful to the prophetic message of the gospel (Also see Romans 10:14-21), God remains faithful to Israel. Proof of divine fidelity lies in the existence of a few Jewish Christians like Paul himself.

God keeps His promises. A promise that was not made to your church. So what IS your point? Going off on another fabricated tirade? Why oh why do you even have the nerve to insinuate that I would claim God is two-faced? My problem is not with God, but your pagan institution. Your church wasn't even formed until 313 AD (unless you want to count its pagan origins). The first pope didn't show up until around 440 AD. There was no succession. A pope existing in the face of systematic persecution and executions of the christian populations??? Are you kidding me? Are you honestly THAT naive?!?!

(Psalm 89: 30-37) "I will establish his dynasty forever, his throne as the days of the heavens. If his descendants forsake my law, do not follow my decrees, if they fail to observe my statutes do not keep my commandments, I will punish their crime with a rod and their guilt with lashes. But I will not take my love from him, nor will I betray my bond of loyalty. I will not violate my covenant; the promise of my lips I will not alter. By my holiness I swore once for all: I will never be false to David. His dynasty will continue forever, his throne, like the sun before me."

Jesus will never forsake His love for us! He will punish us, but because of our sin is no reason for Him to withdraw His Truth which He has entrusted us with.

He is not talking about your church. If you continue to pretend that we both agree that your church is of God, or that there is anything in the Bible referring to the formation of your church, I will ban you. The very concept of such an agreement between us, in the context of this conversation, is nonsensical. If the Bible mentioned your church we wouldn't be having this discussion. I will not play these games. This idiotic line of discussion is over. You forfeit this portion as well due once again to your intellectual dishonesty.

You did not answer my question as to what those verses meant to you. How do you interpret them?

Quote each of them and I will respond to each individually. Seeing as our discussions concerning most of the topics we genuinely had, and those you made up, are over anyway. And while you're at it, from now on quote every verse you use. None of this paraphrasing.

Perhaps you could be more specific in your question? Are you asking if the Church teaches what is taught in the Bible?

No, I cannot and will not be more specific. I care about THE WHOLE BIBLE. Not this or that verse. The question was clear as day.

Is the Vatican enacting Biblical Law? Yes or No?

No more stalling. Answer the question or don't bother to reply at all because I'll delete your post. And you better answer it yes or no. As God is my witness, if you answer that question with a question or another strawman I will ban you. I'm not going to play games with you.

I'm discussing Marian dogmas on another thread but if you would like to discuss Purgatory, I'll get the ball rolling:

There you go. Just a few biblical references to Purgatory Have at it!

Just skimming over your paraphrasing, I don't see anything about purgatory. As I said before, quote the actual verses. No paraphrasing. I'm not going to do the work for you. I'm not going to waste my time looking up all those verses when I'm 99.9999999999999999... no, 100% sure they don't tell us that purgatory exists.

[Emil Sledge]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

[Vavoline Johnson]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

Im here to tell you it aint boring at all! That mass was a heck of a lot a fun cause them catlicks do some real funny stuff when there in mass..

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Well lemme tell you a lil bout da catlick church. They cheaper than da Joos, dat fo sure. We went cause we heard they were givin out wine and biscuits and all we got for standing in line was a sip of some ghastly tastin stuff from a used cup and a cracker da size of a dime. Now, Cleevon was raise a catlick and I asked him "how come you da only alter boy dat was never molested by yo priest" Didn't he read they gave out a lot o money fo dat kind of thing. Damn, he coulda lied bout it.................

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

OFFICIAL LANDOVER BAPTIST CHURCH DEBATE VERDICT(r)
REMY LEBEAU -- CLEAR WINNER WITH TRUTH ON HIS SIDE.
SACRED HEART -- SMASHED, DESTROYED, AND PUMMELED.

I want to personally extend my hand in congratulations to Brother Remy for obliterating that slick Catholic apologist "Sacred Heart" in debate. It comes as no surprise as the last three victims to fall to his debating skills were Catholics. See, Brother Remy is professional at what he does. Sacred Heart shouldn't feel embarrassed or sullen over it all. He simply lost to one of the greatest debaters and defenders of Christ there is. No shame there.

Way to nail that unsaved papist, Brother Remy!

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

OFFICIAL LANDOVER BAPTIST CHURCH DEBATE VERDICT®
REMY LEBEAU -- CLEAR WINNER WITH TRUTH ON HIS SIDE.
SACRED HEART -- SMASHED, DESTROYED, AND PUMMELED.

I want to personally extend my hand in congratulations to Brother Remy for obliterating that slick Catholic apologist "Sacred Heart" in debate. It comes as no surprise as the last three victims to fall to his debating skills were Catholics. See, Brother Remy is professional at what he does. Sacred Heart shouldn't feel embarrassed or sullen over it all. He simply lost to one of the greatest debaters and defenders of Christ there is. No shame there.

Way to nail that unsaved papist, Brother Remy!

Thank you for your kind words.

It was all too easy. I was going to change my signature, but I think he has actually killed himself this time. If not from shame of being a hellbound pedophile support, then from to relieve himself of the pain of the beating I gave him.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

Brother Remy,

Masterly! An exhibition bout! I have copied it to Landover Archives where it will be inscribed on vellum and tooled with gold.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

It's not over for Catholicism yet. I'm very willing to prove that it is true, since we stated many times that we wrote the Bible. Therefore, i will debate and prove that the Catholic Church is Biblical!

















Of course, i will have first to take care of my Church and partecipate Cathechism, so it will take time before i'll declare myself ready for the challenge. Who knows when i will be aviable...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Just for Remy Lebeau (Pedophillia)

It's not over for Catholicism yet.

Hold on, I'm just checking my watch... You're right! There's probably a couple of hours to go.

I'm very willing to have a shot at tricking you into believing that it is true,

Fixed that for you.

since we stated many times that we wrote the Bible.

In much the same way that you said you never fiddled with kiddies.

Therefore, i will debate and prove that the Catholic Church is Biblical!

We could start with something easy like transubstantiation.

Jesus: Lu:22:19: And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do (i.e. break bread) in remembrance of me.

Simply, Jesus is braking the bread and saying, this represents me - when you do this, think about me. This is why we say Grace before a meal (I assume Catlix do this.)

We must realise that Jesus got that bread from a small store round the corner and the baker had no idea what Jesus was going to use it for - so we can assume that it was a perfectly ordinary piece of bread.

Now, if it were His body, it would be just that - not a remembrance of Jesus - it would be the real thing.

Another point: I don't know how many times you have tried to break a piece off a body, but it is really difficult - When God made bodies, He made them well.

And finally, why should Jesus do a miracle at the last supper? Jesus came to save the unbelievers - the disciples were saved. They had seen hundreds of miracles - no... He's giving His "going-away for a few days" speech to His friends.

Do I think that Catlix believe there is the miracle of transubstantiation? No. Let me quote from your Chief Fishhead:

MYSTERIUM FIDEI
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI
ON THE HOLY EUCHARIST

11. To give an example of what We are talking about, it is not permissible to … concentrate on the notion of sacramental sign as if the symbolism—which no one will deny is certainly present in the Most Blessed Eucharist … the marvelous conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body and the whole substance of the wine into the Blood of Christ, as if … Christ Our Lord is no longer present in the consecrated Hosts that remain after the celebration of the sacrifice of the Mass has been completed.

Here we see even the pope knows that catholics don't believe in transubstantiation - he has to give them some bullshit that probably even he does not believe.

15. First of all, We want to recall something that you know very well but that is absolutely necessary if the virus of every kind of rationalism is to be repelled;

16. And so we must approach this mystery in particular with humility and reverence, not relying on human reasoning,
SEPTEMBER 3, 1965

So he tells catholics to ignore what they see and experience and know.

Your move.