[Didymus Much]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

So tell me, is there a rail at the edge of the earth? Because I haven't recently heard any stories on the news about a toddler falling off...

Intelligent Pulling is a theory which states that the "South Pole" is actually the rim of the Earth (see the pic of the flat Earth I posted earlier). If one attempts to cross this line, God grabs you and puts you back at the other side, instantaneously and with your original heading and velocity, so you are not aware of it happening. Any attempt to say this is impossible accepts the obvious fallacy that God is not omnipotent.

... And I suppose the iceberg was a cover story for the Titanic sailing off of the earth's great edge...

I believe it actually hit Russell's Teapot, but I can't prove it.

[James Peter]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

So tell me, is there a rail at the edge of the earth? Because I haven't recently heard any stories on the news about a toddler falling off. And I suppose the iceberg was a cover story for the Titanic sailing off of the earth's great edge.
You say you believe in the bibles words, which allegedly state the earths two dimensions. Please explain natural phenomena such as night and day, the seasons, etc. in this flat world in which we supposedly live. Also, what does the bible have to say about the bottom of the earth? We have record of mines, holes, oceanic trenches, etc, going as deep as a mile into the earth. Therefore we must recognize that if it is flat, it is a thick disk in space. What does the bible have to say about the bottom of this disk? Can I hook a bungee cord up to the grand handrail at the edge, and jump below the earth to investigate? What exactly happens when you approach the edge? I've been unable to find even one instance in the entire history of the world where anyone or anything has fallen off the edge of the earth. Obviously the handrail theory is quite sound, but perhaps the bible offers more detailed explanations as to the disk's boundaries such as a force field, or an ocean which extends indefinitely in all directions. I would greatly appreciate if you left Mary out of this, she has no influence on the shape of the earth. Why should she? You claim she is nothing but a woman who mothered Jesus' human form along with his twenty to fifty brothers and sisters. Your answers are greatly anticipated, perhaps they will earn you your "flat earth" badge

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

"1616 – On March 5, the Congregation of the Index condemns all writings which treated Copernicanism as anything but an unproven hypothesis. The Congregation declared that such a theory was “false and contrary to Holy Scripture, which teaches the motion of the earth and the immobility of the sun, and which is taught by Nicolas Copernicus in De revolutiionibus orbium caelestium…being spread by... Father Paolo Antonio Foscarini…Therefore, so that this opinion may not spread any further to the prejudice of Catholic truth, it decrees that the said... De revolutiionibus orbium caelestium..be suspended until corrected; but that the book of the Carmelite Father, Paolo Foscarini, be prohibited and condemned.” Pope Paul V presided at this Congregation and, while his name is not on the decree, approved and ordered the decree as supreme teacher of the Church.


1632 – Galileo publishes the book Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems in which he openly and enthusiastically advocated the Copernican system and ridiculed the geocentric system. This publication was in direct conflict with the Council of Trent’s teaching that one could not hold a position contrary to the unanimity of the Fathers, Cardinal Bellarmine’s letter holding the Copernican theory contrary to Scripture, and the Congregation of the Index’s ban on all books that taught the Copernican theory.



1633 – On June 22, the Holy Office formally condemns Galileo for heresy: “We say, pronounce, sentence and declare that you, the said Galileo...have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine which is false and contrary to the Sacred and Divine Scriptures, that the sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the earth moves and is not the center of the world...after it has been declared and defined as contrary to Holy Scripture...From which we are content that you be absolved, provided that...you abjure, curse, and detest before us the aforesaid errors and heresies and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church.” Pope Urban VIII took full responsibility for the condemnation of Galileo by enforcing “in forma communi” the Congregation’s prohibitions against books holding the Copernican system as truth.



1633 - Galileo signs a statement which reads “with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies and generally every other error, heresy and sect whatsoever contrary to the Holy Church...but, should I know any heretic or person suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to the Holy Office or to the inquisitor or Ordinary of the place where I may be…” 1664 – Pope Alexander VII issues Speculatore Domus Israel in which he solemnly sanctioned the condemnation of all books affirming the earth’s movement and the sun’s stability. Pope Alexander VII published a new official Index which included the Congregations prohibitions from 1596 to 1664. The pope declared “We, having taken the advice of our Cardinals, confirm and approve with Apostolic authority by the tenor of these presents, and command and enjoin all persons everywhere to yield to this Index a constant and complete obedience.”



1758 – Pope Benedict XIV removes Copernicus’ book from the Index, after editors removed nine sentences which taught that heliocentrism was a certainty. This was consistent with the Congregation’s decree in 1616 that the book would be banned until “corrected.” However, the Church’s condemnations of Copernicanism on the grounds that its teachings are heretical and contrary to Scripture is not (and never has been) overturned."

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

So tell me

We get that you don't know bible at all and you do not believe in God. However, even as much as we want to see you saved, we are not here to spoon fed you. Stop being such a lazy slob for once and browse through these forums, all what you asked and much more has been answered many times. I know doing something yourself can be scary, but that's the first step to salvation.

Here's a good place to start.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=20

After you have read through those few pages of text, come back to ask questions that were not addressed there.

[Cbeck29]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

I said I believe in God's word. I am a Christian. People who does not believe in the bible are not Christians.

So tell me, is there a rail at the edge of the earth? Because I haven't recently heard any stories on the news about a toddler falling off. And I suppose the iceberg was a cover story for the Titanic sailing off of the earth's great edge.
You say you believe in the bibles words, which allegedly state the earths two dimensions. Please explain natural phenomena such as night and day, the seasons, etc. in this flat world in which we supposedly live. Also, what does the bible have to say about the bottom of the earth? We have record of mines, holes, oceanic trenches, etc, going as deep as a mile into the earth. Therefore we must recognize that if it is flat, it is a thick disk in space. What does the bible have to say about the bottom of this disk? Can I hook a bungee cord up to the grand handrail at the edge, and jump below the earth to investigate? What exactly happens when you approach the edge? I've been unable to find even one instance in the entire history of the world where anyone or anything has fallen off the edge of the earth. Obviously the handrail theory is quite sound, but perhaps the bible offers more detailed explanations as to the disk's boundaries such as a force field, or an ocean which extends indefinitely in all directions. I would greatly appreciate if you left Mary out of this, she has no influence on the shape of the earth. Why should she? You claim she is nothing but a woman who mothered Jesus' human form along with his twenty to fifty brothers and sisters. Your answers are greatly anticipated, perhaps they will earn you your "flat earth" badge

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

So if you fly off the edge of the earth, you hit heaven? Wonderful.
It's hard to believe people are still living in the 1100s.
And another thing, what do you folks believe about the sun? Where is it? What causes night and day? What causes seasons?

I said I believe in God's word. I am a Christian. People who does not believe in the bible are not Christians.

[Didymus Much]

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...Idk what you people believe in...

For the howmanyidon'tknowth time, they believe in the Bible, which tells them the Earth is flat. Why haven't you been paying attention?

I believe in a spherical Earth, because I don't believe in magic skydaddies and fairies and unicorns and dragons and talking asses (though in your case I'll make an exception) and that a guy in a dress in Rome who lives in a golden palace despite taking a vow of poverty has a direct line to the "creator" of the universe.

...And you know what I mean by a straight line. I mean around the earth, with the curve of the earth...

That's called "moving the goalposts".

I CAN'T "know what you mean" if doesn't match what you say because I don't believe in telepathy, either.

[James Peter]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

So if you fly off the edge of the earth, you hit heaven? Wonderful.
It's hard to believe people are still living in the 1100s.
And another thing, what do you folks believe about the sun? Where is it? What causes night and day? What causes seasons?

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

"1870 – The First Vatican Council, Canons and Decrees, Chapter III, infallibly declares that “the Church, which together with the apostolic office of teaching, has received a charge to guard the deposit of faith, derives from God the right and duty of proscribing false science, lest any should be deceived by philosophy and vain deceit. Therefore all faithful Christians are not only forbidden to defend as legitimate conclusions of science such opinions as are known to be contrary to the doctrines of the faith, especially if they have been condemned by the Church, but are altogether bound to account them as errors which put on the fallacious appearance of truth.” The Council also affirms the inerrancy of Scripture by dogmatically stating: “These books the church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the church.” Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, chapter 2, paragraph 7, 1870."

[John Creeser]

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In your crazy whack job religion, who the heck is the mother of god? Since you believe the bible to the "t" you must admit that he was human. Do humans not have mothers? Whose was his?

Did you bother to read Pastor Ezekiels original post?

Mary was the mother of earthly Jesus, not GOD!! If Mary was the mother of God, she'd BE God!!! Wake up!

I love how you didn't rebuke that you belong to a cult of pedophiles. Obviously you know better.

[Cbeck29]

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We believe in the bible. Is it really so hard to understand that some people are actually living by the word of God?

So if you fly off the edge of the earth, you hit heaven? Wonderful.
It's hard to believe people are still living in the 1100s.
And another thing, what do you folks believe about the sun? Where is it? What causes night and day? What causes seasons?

[James Peter]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

in your flat earth explanation, you actually fly in a circle.... If you flew west in the straight line, you would fly off the western side of the earth's edge, and into.... Idk what you people believe in.
And you know what I mean by a straight line. I mean around the earth, with the curve of the earth. You do believe in gravity right?

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

"
1885 – Father William Roberts publishes his book The Pontifical Decrees Against the Doctrine of the Earth’s Movement. In this book, Fr. Roberts presents a strong case for the position that the Church’s condemnation of heliocentrism is infallible. He concludes: (1) Alexander VIII’s Speculatores was a papal act of supreme authority by which the pope, in the face of the whole Church, confirmed and approved the decrees with his Apostolic authority, and made himself responsible for their publication, that heliocentrism was false; (2) heliocentrism was false because the Church declared it a heresy, and whoever says an opinion is heresy ipso facto says that the contradictory of that opinion has been revealed by God with sufficient certainty to oblige a Catholic to accept it by an act of divine faith; and, (3) infallible teachings, even those ex-cathedra, do not generally generate any fresh obligation of faith, but protect and vindicate one that already exists.



1893 – Pope Leo XIII issues Providentissimus Deus which affirms the teaching of the Council of Trent that the Scriptures are inerrant in all matters written, not just matters relating to salvation. The pope states “But it is absolutely wrong and forbidden either to narrow its inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture or to admit that the sacred writer has erred…For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Spirit; and so far is it from being impossible that any error can coexist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. This is the ancient and unchanging faith of the Church” (No. 20)."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Idk what you people believe in.

We believe in God's Word. What do you believe in?

[Alphonse Alban]

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Idk what you people believe in.

We believe in the bible. Is it really so hard to understand that some people are actually living by the word of God?

[Cbeck29]

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Let's look at your "fly in a straight line" statement.

First off, how do you know you're flying in a straight line? You look at your compass, right? In the picture below, let's say you start flying due west. If you could see that far, you'd see the North Pole out the right hand windows of your plane. If you keep the North Pole out the right hand windows of your plane (so you keep going due west), where would you end up? Right back where you started. So that DOES NOT prove that the Earth is spherical.

in your flat earth explanation, you actually fly in a circle.... If you flew west in the straight line, you would fly off the western side of the earth's edge, and into.... Idk what you people believe in.
And you know what I mean by a straight line. I mean around the earth, with the curve of the earth. You do believe in gravity right?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Haven't you ever seen a globe.
Why is your cult the only people on the round planet who don't accept its shape.
When your children ask you if they can see what the earth looks like from space, do you hand them a world map, and hastily toss globes into a bonfire to hide them from the modern truth?

Let's review. You say that the Bible can be wrong and that globes and modern "truth" are to be trusted over God's Word.

If you're going to reject the only reliable source of information about Christ, then I have to ask again: Why call yourself a Christian? Many other people have tried to use arguments like yours on us, but almost all of those people are atheists.

[James Peter]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Haven't you ever seen a globe.
Why is your cult the only people on the round planet who don't accept its shape.
When your children ask you if they can see what the earth looks like from space, do you hand them a world map, and hastily toss globes into a bonfire to hide them from the modern truth?

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

"1907 – On July 3, Pope Pius X issues the encyclical Lamentabili Sane which condemned the errors of the modernists. In connection with creation, science and the inerrancy of Scripture, the following errors, inter alia, were expressly condemned: -Since the deposit of Faith contains only revealed truths, the Church has no right to pass judgment on the assertions of the human sciences (no. 5). -They are free from all blame who treat lightly the condemnations passed by the Sacred Congregation of the Index or by the Roman Congregations (no. 8). -Divine inspiration does not extend to all of Sacred Scriptures so that it renders its parts, each and every one, free from every error (no. 11). -Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted (no. 64).


1920 – On September 15, Pope Benedict XV issues Spiritus Paraclitus in which he likewise affirms the teaching of the Council of Trent, the First Vatican Council, and Lamentabili Sane on the inerrancy of the Scriptures. The pope states “by these precepts and limits [set by the Fathers of the Church]…wish, indeed, that inspiration itself pertain to all ideas, rather even to the individual words of the Bible...” The pope condemns contrary opinions by stating “For their belief is that that only which concerns religion is intended and is taught by God in the Scriptures; but that the rest, which pertains to the profane disciplines...is left to the feebleness of the writer...But how rashly, how falsely this is affirmed.”


1950 – On August 12, Pope Pius XII issues the encyclical Humani Generis which addressed false opinions that were threatening to undermine Catholic doctrine. The pope, in echoing St. Augustine and Providentissimus Deus, declared that the modern exegete’s desire to depart from a literal interpretation of Scripture in favor of a non-literal interpretation was foreign to Catholic teaching: “Further, according to their fictitious opinions, the literal sense of Holy Scripture and its explanation, carefully worked out under the Church's vigilance by so many great exegetes, should yield now to a new exegesis, which they are pleased to call symbolic or spiritual.” (no. 23). “Everyone sees how foreign all this is to the principles and norms of interpretation rightly fixed by our predecessors of happy memory, Leo XIII in his Encyclical Providentissimus Deus, and Benedict XV in the Encyclical Spiritus Paraclitus, as also by Ourselves in the Encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu.” (no. 24).



1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church – paragraph 105 says “God is the author of Sacred Scripture. The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and New Testament, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author and have been handed on as such to the Church herself.” (Emphasis added.)"