Originally posted by FatherMaurice Lester
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It is this kind of propagandist and vitriolic attack on decency that has much of mankind fighting each other instead of behaving in the manner that out Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would have us.
Shame on you 'Pastor' Zeke, especially at a time when Catholic and Baptist doctrine is in agreement on a number of issues from mistrust of Islam to the evils of Harry Potter!
Once again, I ask you and your ilk to kindly refrain from such spurious and specious assaults on The Church of Rome, God's Church.
Bless you, my hillbilly huckster,
Father Mo"
Shame on you 'Pastor' Zeke, especially at a time when Catholic and Baptist doctrine is in agreement on a number of issues from mistrust of Islam to the evils of Harry Potter!
Once again, I ask you and your ilk to kindly refrain from such spurious and specious assaults on The Church of Rome, God's Church.
Bless you, my hillbilly huckster,
Father Mo"
What does the Biblesay on this subject?
Malachi 3:6 "ForI am the Lord, I do not change."
Psalms 89:34 "Mycovenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of Mylips."
What about Jesus,does he change?
Hebrews 13:8"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."
What did the apostlessay in regards to obeying God instead of man?
Acts 5:29 "ButPeter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey Godrather than men."
So what authorityadmits to changing the Sabbath of God's 10 Commandments? There is no Bibleverse(s) to support this question, so we will have to rely upon the actualnon-Biblical source regarding the change.
In Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 561, Cardinal JohnGibbons states, "But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation,and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we neversanctify."
Cardinal Gibbons sureis honest about this issue, but does that make the change right? No. It isclear that Saturday (7th Day) is the true Sabbath.
Let us examine yetanother source on this issue:
Our Sunday Visitor(February 5, 1950):
"Practicallyeverything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received fromthe Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that inaccepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter,they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, thePope."
It is ok to acceptthe Bible and the Bible alone, but Sunday or (the 1st Day of the week for thoseof you caught up on semantics) is not in the Bible, be it the Old or NewTestament.
How about these threesources:
Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London:Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
"Thus theobservance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite ofthemselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church."
Catholic AmericanSentinel (June 1893):
"Sunday...It isa law of the Catholic Church alone…"
Catholic Record(September 1, 1923):
"The [catholic]Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance isproof of that fact."
Point on! If youobserve Sunday, then you pay lip service to the authority of the Pope and PapalRome. (See above: Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather than man.")
This one ought tomake the hair on the back of your neck stand up and tingle, read the following:
The Question Box,”The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4:
"The (Catholic)Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine,infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestantclaiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observingSunday. In this matter, the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistentProtestant." NOTE: Notice how they state "...right of the divine,infallible authority given to her by...Jesus Christ." They didn't sayJesus authorized the Sabbath change, only that the Catholic church isexercising a so-called right granted to them by Jesus.
So in reading thispassage from the Catholic Universe Bulletin from 1942, they clearly state whythey [Catholics] observe the 1st day of the week or Sunday. But what rationaledo so-called Protestants have for observingSunday in place of the true Sabbath? None, unless they acknowledge thesupremacy and authority of the Pope! And if this is the case, then Protestantsmight just as well become Catholics.
Here is yet anothersource to ponder:
John A. O'Brien, TheFaith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition(Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:
"But sinceSaturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious thatnon-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and notfrom the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it isinconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries beforeProtestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of theCatholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observanceremains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sectsbroke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket apicture of his mother or a lock of her hair."
Not only do theCatholics actually admit to changing the 7th Day Sabbath to Sunday, they claimto have the authority to do so. And yet they make fun of Protestants for observing the Catholic "sabbath".
Keating, Karl (1988).Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on"Romanism" by "Bible Christians" pg.38
"It was theCatholic Church that decided Sunday should be the day of worship forChristians, in honor of the resurrection."
The Pope"claims" to be God.
Pope Leo XIII,Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: "Wehold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
The Bible foretoldthis false claims would take place:
2 THESSALONIANS 2:4"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or thatis worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himselfthat he is God."
Daniel 7:25 "Andhe shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saintsof the most High, and think to change times and laws…"
There is a differencebetween the law of Moses, and the everlasting Law of God. Most Christians will at least agree that 9Commandment are still valid, but how and when did the 4th Commandment become a"Jewish" thing that was done away with? How come as Christians, we refuse to accept the fact thatall of the 10 Commandment are still valid? They are either ALL valid orinvalid. (It is not algebra, where you isolate x to solve for y. You can'tisolate the 4th Commandment either.) It can not be both. We can't pick andchoose which ones we want to uphold, and which ones are too much of aninconvenience to our lifestyles to uphold.
Some of you willsay,"Oh but I will lose my $150k a year desk job" or " I won'tget hired into that cozy $150k a year desk job if I decide to obey God and keepthe Sabbath!" Take a stand, will you obey God, or are the treasures of lifemore important?
This sounds like thedilemma of the rich young ruler mentioned in the book of Luke. ( We also can read about theRich Young Ruler it in Matthew 19:18-24 and Mark 10:19-23).
Let's read thispassage in Luke 18:20-24 (look at verse 20-22)
"20 "Thou knowestthe commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do notbear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, Allthese have I kept from my youth up.
22 Now when Jesusheard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all thatthou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure inheaven: and come, follow me.
23 And when he heardthis, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
24 And when Jesus sawthat he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have richesenter into the kingdom of God!
25 For it is easierfor a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into thekingdom of God."
Two things areimportant to note about these few verses in Luke.
- Jesus clearly reinforces the validity of the 10 Commandments by quoting 5 Commandments directly. Does that mean only those 5 are valid? Someone will say, "Ah yes, but he didn't mention the Sabbath day!" Yes, but he didn't mention "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain" or "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" either, now did he? Does that make it ok to do so?
- The love of riches and gain in this life by the Rich Young Ruler was more important than following Jesus. Note in verse 23 how the Young Ruler went away sad and not happy. Wealth won't bring happiness apparently. For even though the Young Ruler obeyed the 10 Commandments "...since his youth…", there was still something lacking in his life that only Jesus could see, which was the love of wealth. It is not wrong to be wealthy, but when it is all-consuming and surpasses your commitment to Jesus, then it becomes an obstacle or stumbling block to spiritual growth. Jesus sought to free the Young Ruler from this spiritual handicap.
Let'slook at a few more verses:
Matt13:22 "He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth theword; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke theword, and he becometh unfruitful."
Luke6:46 "Andwhy call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Solet us not be one who just "…heareth the word…" but let all of usbe a doer of the word. James 1:22"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your ownselves."
John13:17 "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
John15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as Ihave kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
Weare saved by grace and faith in Jesus, but "...faith without works isdead…"
Wedo not keep God's Law to be saved, we keep it because we are saved. Obedienceis a fruit of our salvation. Remember: A bad tree can not produce good fruit,nor a good tree bad fruit.
Matt12:33 “Either make the tree good and itsfruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known byits fruit."
What does the NewTestament say about obeying God's 10 Commandments? Lets take a look.
Can God's
Old Testament References
"My covenantwill I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psalm89:34
"Here is thepatience of the saints: here are those who keep the commandments of God and thefaith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12
What is sin according to the Bible?
"By the law isthe knowledge of sin."Romans 3:20
"Sin is thetransgression of the law. 1 John 3:4
"I had not knownsin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thoushalt not covet."Romans 7:7
So the Law gives usknowledge of sin. This is in reference to the 10th Commandment.
"For all havesinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"All we likesheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his ownway." Isaiah 53:6
"All Hiscommandments are sure. They stand fastfor ever and ever. Psalm 111:7,8
"For I am theLord, I change not." Malachi 3:6
"I delight to dothy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8
God's Character is reflected in His Law
The Law is a Direct Reflection of God's Character
God is: The Law Is:
Luke18:19 GOOD Romans 7:12
Isaiah 5:16 HOLY Romans 7:12
Deuteronomy 43:4 JUST Romans 7:12
Matthew 5:48 PERFECT Psalm 19:7
1 John 4:8 LOVE Romans 13:10
Did Jesus keep the 10 Commandments?
"I have kept myFather's commandments.: John 15:10
"Who committedno sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth." 1 Peter 2:22
What is the Punishment for Living a Life of Sin?
"The wages ofsin is death." Romans 6:23
Revelation 21:8"But the fearful, and unbelieving,and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, andidolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth withfire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Do the Ten Commandments Still Apply to New TestamentChristians?
"If thou wiltenter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17
"Blessed arethey that do His commandments."Revelation 22:14
"If ye love me,keep my commandments." John 14:15
"Therefor loveis the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:10
"For if anyoneis a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at hisnatural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself andgone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. Butone who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, andabides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, thisman will be blessed in what he does." James 1:23-25
"But thecowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, thosewho practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned tothe fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8
Jesus Gives Us a New Commandment, Where Did itOriginate?
"Jesusreplied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all yoursoul and with all your mind.’[a]38 This is the first and greatest commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor asyourself" Matthew 22:37-38
This can also found in the Old Testement:
Deuteronomy 6:5 "Youshall love the Lord yourGod with all your heart and with all your soul and with all yourmight."
Leviticus 19:18 "You shall nottake vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself:I am the Lord."
Jesus was quotedMoses. The 10 Commandments are the veryessence of these 2 commandments.
Is Obedience Necessary?
"Afterward Jesusfinds him in the temple, and said to him, Behold, you are made whole: sin nomore, lest a worse thing come to you." John 5:14
"She said, Noman, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin nomore." John 8:11
Here we read Jesusexhorting the woman to go and sin no more. Does his act of forgiveness permit us to continue to live in sin?Evidently not, or he would not have said, "...go, and sin no more." Jesus wished to free us from our sins, notfree us to live in our sins.
Regarding the oldproverb "Ignorance is bliss"
Ignorance is notbliss. The Law of God frees us fromignorance and
allows us to live in bliss.
All Thing Possible Through Christ.
"I can do allthings through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13
So it is by abidingand having faith in Christ that gives us the power to overcome sin. We must exercise faith and prayer daily.
Satan can tempt youto sin, but Jesus can keep you from sin if you will
cooperate by faith. "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcomethem: because greater is he that is in you, thanhe that is in the world." 1 John 4:4
Free To Break the Law Since We Are Under Grace? WhatDoes the Bible Say?
"What then?Shall we sin because we re not under the law, but under grace? Godforbid." Romans 6:15
"Do we then make void thelaw through faith? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31
We do not keep the law to besaved, rather we keep the law because we are saved.
We read in the bookof James..
"But someonewill say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from yourworks, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one;you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, youfoolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" James 2:18-20
Even Billy Graham, aprominent Baptist Minister, states: "The Ten Commandments are just asvalid today as when God gave them to Moses over 3,000 years ago."
Can One be a True Christian without Obeying theCommandments?
"And hereby wedo know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." 1 John 2:3
"He that saith,I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is notin Him." 1 John 2:4
So if we continue indisobedience to God's Law and we obey Man's law, then we are liars and thetruth is not in us. If your church body tells you that the 10 Commandments arenot valid, that obedience is not necessary, just believe, then you can be sure thatyou "know him not".
What Law was Nailed to the Cross?
We read in Colossians2:14 "Blotting outthe handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His Cross"
"Now the tabletswere the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on thetablets." Exodus 32:16
This illustrates thatGod's own hand wrote the 10 Commandments.
"According tothe whole law AND the statutes and the ordinances by the hand ofMoses." 2 Chronicles 33:8
So the above verseindicates that Moses also had ordinances that he wrote.
This is what wasnailed to the cross, not the Law of God.
The 10 Commandmentswere placed inside of the Ark, whereas Moses's law was placed on the outside ofthe ark. See: Deut: 31:26
"Take this bookof the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD yourGod, That it may be there for a witness against thee." Deuteronomy 31:26
Jesus exhorts us torepent.
Rev 2:5 "Remembertherefore from where you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; orelse I will come to you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of hisplace, except you repent."
Would Jesus tell usto "...repent…" if all that was needed was faith?
Repentance must beimportant, or he would have not said so.
2 Timothy 3:5"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turnaway."
John 2:3-6
"And hereby wedo know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, Iknow him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.
5 But whoso keepethhis word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that weare in him.
6 He that saith heabideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
Can you as a Catholic Priest explain from the Bible and the Bible alone, where does the Sabbath change come from, and where does the doctrine of the dead (heaven, hell, or purgatory) come from?
Lastly on this topic, What does the Bible say regarding regarding image worship? Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
1 Corinthians 10:14 "Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry."
So here we clearly read, and admonished against idol worship. Bowing down before statues, crosses, etc. And why? Not just because the Bible explicitly says so, but these are all images made by human hands to replicate God, and or his creation. We are not to do this.
Roman CatholicReferences: (Decretal De Translat Espiscop> Cap.) "The Pope has powerto change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things even theprecepts of Christ.
The Roman"Decretalia"
He can pronouncesentences and judgements in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the lawof God and man...He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, hebeing their superior, and from the rules of the old testament. (Decretal, deTranslat. Episcop, Cap.)
"The Pope's willstands for reason. He can dispense above the Law; and of wrong make right, bycorrecting and changing laws." PopeNicholas, Dist. 96, Quoted in "Facts for the Times." pp 55,56. 1893.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
He is referred to asthe "man of sin". So what is Sin?
- What is Sin
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin isthe transgression of the law."
Notice how theCatholic Church leaves out the whole 2nd Commandment. It has to do with image worship and bowingdown to graven images (both prohibited).
They insert the 3rdCommandments as found in the Bible in place with the 2nd Commandment, albeitabbreviated.
The 4th Commandmentis simply reduced to just reading as "Remember to keep holy the Lord'sday."
Father McGuire's NewBaltimore catechism and Mass of 1949: It bears, amongst others, the imprimaturof Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York McGuire's version is"Remember thou keep holy the Lord's day." To the children and othersfor whom this Catechism is intended, this is explained by means of thefollowing questions and answers:
- What is the third commandment of God? The trhird [sic] commandment of God is: Remember thou keep holy the Lord's day."
- Why does the Church command us to keep Sunday as the Lord's day? The Church commands us to keep Sunday as the Lord's day, because on Sunday Christ rose from the dead, and on Sunday the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles.
- What are we commanded by the third commandment? By the third commandment, we are commanded to worship God in a special manner on Sunday, the Lord's day.
- How does the Church command us to worship God on Sunday? The Church commands us to worship God on Sunday by assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
MichaelA. McGuire, (Father McGuire's) The New Baltimore Catechism and Mass (OfficialRevised Edition. New Yourk: Benziger Brothers, 1949),
They take the 10thCommandment and divide it into two, so that they have 10 Commandments insteadof 9.
Note: By the"trhid" [sic] Commandment, he is actually refering to the 4thCommandment.
Priest Mo, it is time for you to fall on your feet at the cross of Jesus, repent of your sins, and claim the promise of salvation by faith in Jesus. Spread the T-R-U-T-H about the gospel of Christ to others, and renounce the fallacy and hypocrisy of Catholicism.
P.S. I can not call you "Father". For there is only one Father which is in Heaven.
Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."
Secondly, NIV changes "came unto me" with "came to visit me." Some might say that helps to clarify that this verse does not imply we should have sexual relationships with prisoners (compare Genesis 29:23, Genesis 30:4). However, such change is not necessary as we know from other contexts that sometimes this expression does mean just visiting, not having sex (Exodus 9:1 - nobody in their right mind would deduce from this passage that Moses was anally raping Pharaoh). Therefore, there's nothing that would justify NIV's change. 
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