[see_the_light]

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And all this after 400 defrocked priests in just a couple of years.

Soon if cat-a-lics want to go to mass they'll have to do it in jail.

PRAISE THE LORD!

[Mother Of Seven]

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And all this after 400 defrocked priests in just a couple of years.

Is that all? They should have defrocked every priest in the land!
Anyway, what are these priests doing wearing frocks in the first place


Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

[see_the_light]

Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day

Is that all? They should have defrocked every priest in the land!
Anyway, what are these priests doing wearing frocks in the first place


Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

of course, but those cat-a-licks were always on the queer side

look at their "army"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Group_of_swiss_guards_inside_saint_peter_dome.jpg

And just because they wear trousers don't think they're less gay!

Vatican’s Pope-Protecting Swiss Guards Accused Of Secret Gay Lobby
Accusations are swirling about a secret gay cabal inside the Vatican's pope-protecting forces and how much it knew about the departure of Pope Benedict.

When Pope Benedict XVI resigned in February 2013, rumors were rampant that the alleged gay lobby was part of the reason he left the papacy. Apparently the gay lobby was so powerful it was given ample ink in a still-secret red-covered dossier presented to Benedict as part of a Vatileaks internal investigation after his butler was convicted of stealing his private papers.

The new Pope Francis even referred to the gay lobby at a June 6 meeting with Latin American prelates. “In the Curia there are holy people, truly holy people,” Francis reportedly told the Latin American delegation. “But there is also a current of corruption, also there is, it is true … They speak of a ‘gay lobby,’ and that is true, it is there.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/24/vatican-s-pope-protecting-swiss-guards-accused-of-secret-gay-lobby.html

Fresh allegations now point to the lobby extending deep into the Swiss Guard

How deep? Only GOD knows.

And it gets better

In early January of this year, a former guard told Swiss newspaper Schweiz om Sonntag that he had been propositioned dozens of times by priests who lived and worked inside Vatican City. One, whom the unnamed guard said was particularly brazen, allegedly convinced the guard to join him for dinner only to tell him that he should be “served for dessert,” according to the Swiss paper. The former guard also told the Swiss paper he had been manhandled by various clergy who were trying to bed him.



PRAISE THE LORD!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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U.N. Panel Assails Vatican Over Sexual Abuse by Priests

GENEVA — A sharply critical United Nations panel accused the Vatican on Wednesday of putting its reputation and interests above those of children who had been sexually abused by priests. It called on the Vatican to immediately remove all known or suspected molesters from their posts and report them to civil authorities.

[Father Maurice Lester]

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Human nature being what it is there will always be one or two bad apples in every orchard... even in a holy organisation like The Catholic Church!

What I think too few folks realise is that these (allegedly) occasionally offending Priests go to Confession whereupon their sins are forgiven! In the eyes of God this means a clean slate and who amongst us is in any position to deny somebody their vocation if God has given the 'all systems go' to a repentant sinner?

Clearly this (alleged and surely infrequent) behavior is unacceptable and the Church is hard at work identifying those who cross the line between a humble laying of the hands and a laying of the glands, so everyone can rest assured that those who have (allegedly) sinned in this manner will be removed from their positions of influence and brought to face justice.

Pope Francis has sent out very stern notes to all clergy and I expect these alleged transgressions, most of which date from centuries gone by, will become a part of history the likes of which will not be seen again.





Bless you, my hysterical heretics,
Father Mo



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[see_the_light]

Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day

most of which date from centuries gone by,
.

Of course, you're still in the 14th year of this century, you have been abusing choirboys and other nubile young men for almost 2.000 years, the majority will always be in the past.

PRAY TO JESUS! (and don't mention mary)

[Mother Of Seven]

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Human nature being what it is there will always be one or two bad apples in every orchard... even in a holy organisation like The Catholic Church!

You won't find any bad apples in the Landover Baptist Church. And 'a bad apple' in Rome is known as a whistle-blower elsewhere. So it's true, there are very few whistle-blowers amongst Mary-worshippers.

What I think too few folks realise is that these (allegedly) occasionally offending Priests go to Confession whereupon their sins are forgiven! In the eyes of God this means a clean slate and who amongst us is in any position to deny somebody their vocation if God has given the 'all systems go' to a repentant sinner?

More papist lies. This only applies to True Christians (tm), not to Mary-worshippers.
Matthew 7:21-23 21 rNot every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of imy Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not sprophesied in thy name? and in thy name thave cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: udepart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Clearly this (alleged and surely infrequent) behavior is unacceptable and the Church is hard at work identifying those who cross the line between a humble laying of the hands and a laying of the glands, so everyone can rest assured that those who have (allegedly) sinned in this manner will be removed from their positions of influence and brought to face justice.

Pope Francis has sent out very stern notes to all clergy and I expect these alleged transgressions, most of which date from centuries gone by, will become a part of history the likes of which will not be seen again.

Stern notes to whistle-blowers. Hmmm

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Legionaries of Christ Denounce Founder, Marcial Maciel Degollado

ROME — A Roman Catholic order whose late founder lived a double life as a pedophile and womanizer officially denounced him on Thursday and apologized to his “many victims.”

The Legionaries of Christ, which former members said was run like a secretive cult, accused the founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, who died in 2008, of “reprehensible and objectively immoral behavior” as head of the order from its founding in 1941 until Pope Benedict XVI removed him in 2006.

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The order’s rules forbade criticizing the founder or questioning his motives.

[Didymus Much]

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Legionaries of Christ Denounce Founder, Marcial Maciel Degollado

...The order’s rules forbade criticizing the founder or questioning his motives...

And we all know how that just leads to trouble, huh?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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And we all know how that just leads to trouble, huh?

Watch it, heathen. I know where you're going with this.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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This is change under the sofa cushions for the Roman institution.

Archdiocese to settle priest abuse cases for $13M

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles will pay $13 million to settle 17 clergy abuse lawsuits, including 11 that involve a visiting Mexican priest who fled prosecution and remains a fugitive more than 25 years later, plaintiffs' attorneys said Tuesday.

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The archdiocese settled more than 500 cases in 2007 for a record $660 million and has resolved numerous others since then, individually and in small groups.

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Those files show that [former Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal] Mahony and other top archdiocese officials maneuvered behind the scenes to shield accused priests and protect the church from a growing scandal while keeping parishioners in the dark. The cardinal was publicly rebuked by his successor, Archbishop Jose Gomez, after the files were publicized.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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The Roman institution demonstrates yet again that shame is a foreign concept.

When is a priest not a priest? When he's molesting a child, diocese says in defense of lawsuit

Yet McAlinden wasn’t officially a priest when he took a teenage Naples to Delaware, the lawyer argued.

“How do we determine when a priest is and is not on duty?” one of the justices asked, according to a video of the session on the court’s website.

“Well,” replied the diocese lawyer, “you can determine a priest is not on duty when he is molesting a child, for example. ... A priest abusing a child is absolutely contrary to the pursuit of his master’s business, to the work of a diocese.”

The statement — one prong of the diocese’s argument that it should not be held responsible for McAlinden’s alleged assaults — left Naples reeling.

"Any hope I had that the church was concerned about me as a victim or about the conduct of its priests was totally gone," Naples, now 42, said in a recent interview. "They were washing their hands of it. I was shattered. I just couldn’t believe that was one of their arguments."

[MitzaLizalor]

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Just an iteration of the Ellis defence. Papist responses may be viewed here.

SUMMARY
§ There is no such thing as the "Ellis defence". The Ellis decision did not create new law. It did not create a shield to protect church parties from legal action. Church parties can and have been sued.
The Ellis defence does not refer to any new category of law, but rather to an effective response by the church to a claim brought by Ellis. He lost. They won. They were defending. That is the Ellis defence. vide infra

§ After Mr Ellis lost his court case, he received several hundred thousand dollars in financial assistance from the Archdiocese. In addition, the body corporate of the Archdiocese did not require Mr Ellis to pay its costs of the case – even though the court had ordered Mr Ellis to do so.
O niggardly Ellis. O magnanimous Pell.

§ The suggestion that the Church cannot be sued by victims of sexual abuse is incorrect.
A particularly cynical response since anyone may go to law over any matter regardless of whether their case is likely to succeed or certain to be thrown out. What was made clear in this particular case was that an Australian court does not have jurisdiction over an entity based in the Vatican, that the Vatican entity does not have "branches" and that local dioceses do not own property. The diocese consists of the people living in it only and any lawsuit brought would be against them, or maybe a oriest (who does not own anything) in effect meaning that damages awarded would come out of the collection plate and not from sale of assets (because gold crosses, gilded altars, church buildings, assorted mansions and so on are not assets of the diocese).

§ Church officials and Church entities responsible for abuse in the Church either directly or by their negligence can be and are sued.
A good example being Cardinal Pell. He was sued by Ellis. Ellis lost. In other words the Cardinal was not an official or entity responsible for abuse in the Church either directly or by his negligence.

§ Ellis stands for nothing more than the commonsense proposition that you cannot be liable for wrong doing of others unless you are directly or indirectly responsible for supervising their conduct.
Or in commonsensespeak priests are unsupervised and forbidding them to marry does not constitute indirect responsibility.

§ The Archdiocese of Sydney has not organised its affairs to avoid its responsibilities to victims.
No, the international labyrinth has.

§ The Catholic Church is not like a corporation with one basic structure for its activities.
Yes, that's the whole point of the Ellis defence.

§ Where liability or potential liability is clear the Archdiocese accepts responsibility and seeks to resolve the complaint.
It has always been clear that where archdioceses are involved nothing will ever be clear, especially not liability.

§ The Church is strongly committed to helping victims of abuse and where responsibility is clear, the Archdiocese of Sydney seeks to resolve claims out of court.
Yes, they do like the expression "where responsibility is clear" and although claims might be resolved out of court from time to time should the in court option be taken more funds are available for lawyers than would ever be lavished on out of court settlements.

§ Most importantly, the Archdiocese of Sydney is committed to ensuring victims are treated justly and with compassion and respect.
Ellis is educated in Law. He was interviewed recently. There is a legal meaning for the expression novel use. Archdiocesan invokation of the words compassion and respect constitutes novel use by any commonsense definition of those words. But we're not really talking commonsense here, are we. This is law. Big Law with a budget of trillions, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

• _http://www.monash.edu.au/news/show/the-unholiest-of-pr-spin
• _http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13207
• _http://parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3Key/LC20110914047?open&refNavID=HA8_1
• _http://www.rct-law.com.au/sexual-abuse-update/can-the-catholic-church-be-sued.html

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ON THE BROADER CANVAS

_Transcript 11 March 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s3960863.htm
In a statement to the Royal Commission, Cardinal George Pell says he's troubled by the way that case was handled.

He says it's his view that the Church should be able to be sued in cases of that kind.

Father Frank Brennan is a professor of law at the Australian Catholic University:

FRANK BRENNAN: It's heartening to see that at the top leadership of the Catholic Church in Australia, in relation to a case where Cardinal Pell himself was involved as the Archbishop of Sydney while this litigation was playing itself out, it would seem that in hindsight he's saying, "We've got to be able to do better than that." And I think that's good news for everyone.

Whizz for Atoms (and Cardinal Pell). Cardinals belong to a very high order of self-aggrandisement. Their insight must far exceed mine and indeed my commonsense appreciation of language, a commonsense they have promoted vide supra §5, must be especially deficient. "We've got to be able to do better than that" suggests some underlying desire, unfulfilled.

In my delusion, the one I mistake for commonsense, underlying desires produce present actions. Actions such as instructing lawyers to crush this worm and don't spare the horses. And "good news for everyone" means glad tidings for more than just the Vatican bank. Yes, mine is a confused and blurry vista. Let's take another look at how the current grand fromage from that august bank acted out the earnest desire to do better than he did:

_updated 28 March 2014 (same link as at top of page)
Cardinal George Pell (as head of the Sydney Catholic archdiocese) instigated the archdiocese's legal battle against the former altar boy John Ellis, according to evidence and documents presented to Australia's child-abuse Royal Commission in March 2014. Pell's legal victory in 2007 (known as the "Ellis defence") now forces church-victims to accept a discounted in-house "Towards Healing" settlement instead of suing for proper compensation, the Commission was told.

That's some serious commonsense right there. What was his reward?

_Updated 25 Feb 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-25/george-pell-named-as-head-of-vatican-finances/5281300
"The Holy Father today announced a new coordination structure for economic and administrative affairs of the Holy See and the Vatican State," it said in a statement.

The Vatican said the move followed recommendations made by cardinals advising the Pope, including for a "more formal commitment" to international standards.

The changes "will ensure better use of resources, improving the support available for various programs, particularly our works with the poor," it said.

It is seen as a plum posting for Cardinal Pell, who will relocate to the Vatican by the end of next month.

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1. "diocese" or parish or archdiocese, in all cases property is in some sort of trust and never constitutes assets.
2. "priest" includes bishop, archbishop & cardinal, who are all types of priests.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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And the "Worst Liar" award goes to....

St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime

The St. Louis Archbishop embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal testified last month that he didn’t know in the 1980s whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children, according to a court deposition released Monday.

Archbishop Robert Carlson, who was chancellor of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul at the time, was deposed as part of a lawsuit against the Twin Cities archdiocese and the Diocese of Winona, Minnesota.

In a video released by the St. Paul law firm Jeff Anderson & Associates, the Catholic archbishop is asked whether he had known it was a crime for an adult to engage in sex with a child.

“I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson responded. “I understand today it’s a crime.”

When asked when he first realized it was a crime for an adult — including priests — to have sex with a child, Carlson, 69, shook his head.

“I don’t remember,” he testified.

[Mistress Cookie]

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And the "Worst Liar" award goes to....St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime

Of course he didn't .It's long been a "teaching" in the Catlick Church that exercize and entertainment comes from the weekly kidnapping and Public Spanking of our precious True Christian™ Youth. (See news photos, below.) After that little rite's over, it follows it's open season on EVERYTHING!

The leotard-wearing leopard cannot change his spots.