[Rachael Van Helsing]

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All rather hypothetical (and hyperthetical)... Would you want her to keep wearing her thigh-high latex boots? And if you were a man and not "already taken" and not gay would you still want to marry her?

Sorry, HH, but that question is just too weird.

[Hairy Homer]

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I truly hate to be in even partial agreement with Hairy Homer on anything (when did they let him out of Freehold County Jail. ACLU for you). But he is right on this one. Reincarnation is absurd. Have anyone ever meet anyone who is reincarnated? Who remembers a past life without the "help" of some confidence man? If reincarnation was true even us TRUE Christians would find something to it. It would be something believed by all peoples across all cultures if it was so. No, there is no such thing.

Now life after death, that is a fact proven by The Bible. Harry Homer will have to explain if there is no life after death then why is God lying to us.

Something to do with my rich -- very rich -- uncle, I believe. The details are not important. (My getting out of ACLU).

The situation is disturbing, but it's only a very partial agreement. Reincarnation is crap. Crap. As for life after death, God is not lying about it. God cannot lie. God exists, certainly, but not in the rather literal way that some seem to think. In primitive times when man was bewildered by so much of what went on about him, the concept of God or Gods as powerful beings who controlled the elements and human affairs was understandable, even reasonable. But for modern man such silly notions are unnecessary. God can be defined as a verbal construct that men use to describe good, just as Satan or satanic are verbal constructs that men use to describe evil. But the big-man-up-there-in-the-sky type God serves little purpose for sophisticated modern man.

[Hairy Homer]

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If I were not already taken and if I were gay, I'd want to marry you, Alie.

All rather hypothetical (and hyperthetical)... Would you want her to keep wearing her thigh-high latex boots? And if you were a man and not "already taken" and not gay would you still want to marry her?

[Bobby-Joe]

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What???? Reincarnate??? I thought you and Rachael were a couple of the sensible ones on the forum! "Reincarnation" -- "the next life".

You are as batty as the bapwits. Next you are going to be telling us that after death you are going to the summerlands to be with the goddess and her goats, or whatever.

I truly hate to be in even partial agreement with Hairy Homer on anything (when did they let him out of Freehold County Jail. ACLU for you). But he is right on this one. Reincarnation is absurd. Have anyone ever meet anyone who is reincarnated? Who remembers a past life without the "help" of some confidence man? If reincarnation was true even us TRUE Christians would find something to it. It would be something believed by all peoples across all cultures if it was so. No, there is no such thing.

Now life after death, that is a fact proven by The Bible. Harry Homer will have to explain if there is no life after death then why is God lying to us.

[OnYourKnees]

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What????
<Nonsensical Yammering>

Well, I see the title of this thread certainly still applies.

However, I believe the topic was the existence of God, not your perverse fantasizing.

[Hairy Homer]

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Firstly, I'm going to reincarnate, not go to heaven. Secondly, I don't use my teeth, I've got special equipment for castrations. Would you like to see?

What???? Reincarnate??? I thought you and Rachael were a couple of the sensible ones on the forum! "Reincarnation" -- "the next life".

You are as batty as the bapwits. Next you are going to be telling us that after death you are going to the summerlands to be with the goddess and her goats, or whatever.

After death come worms, cupcake. Not that you'll know anything about it. After death there is nothingness. Don't kid yourself dearie, this is all there is -- this life here on earth. Once your bodily functions cease and the neurons and whatever in your pagan brain stop functioning, that is the end of you. What do you think will continue? Do you think like the xian nutters that you have a 'soul'. Wishful thinking, dear, wishful thinking.

PS Do you really strut about in thigh high latex boots and boss men around? Would you like to join me and Lady Sorrow for some philosophical discussions? Fundamentalist xianity versus wiccanisn (eclectic paganism or whatever you want to call it) versus the good sense of secular humanism that is based on reason, science, and common sense. Although maybe one-on-one discussions may be more fruitful. I'm not sure that I could trust you with Lady Sorrow.

[SalvationSeeker]

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I never said Yahweh doesn't exist. He may have been a puppet of Satan, or something else entirely, but any being that is not a god can be killed.

You're saying God was a puppet of satan? What are you, retarded?
satan is a puppet of God, not the opposite.
Read the book of Job, God ALLOWS satan to torment Job, he had to ask God's permission!
Satan opposes God but he does so with God's allowance.

Besides, "Yahwew" is not really the name of God..
It is a flawed translation.. Based on misunderstanding of the Hebrew letters YHVH, found in corrupted (ie jewish) versions of the OT.
This isn't found in the only TRUE Bible, The Holy KJV1611 (which was dictated by God to King James scribes in 1611), neither is "Yahwew".
(Or "jehova", as in "jehova's witnesses", yet another misinterpretation based on corrupted scripture.)

God's name is really jealous, as He is a jealous God.
For thou shalt worship no other god:
For the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exodus 34:14

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 4:24

The LORD is God, as Jesus is LORD, as Jesus is God.
And as they all are the Holy ghost, and the Holy ghost are them all.
It is called the Holy Trinity, and every True Christian child knows it..
You need to study your Bible more, solveig.

[OnYourKnees]

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Well I have a problem with it too! It's just that Jesus' message is a lot more... digestible... to sane people than that of the Old Testament. For example, Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." Yahweh in the Old Testament commanded to mercy against a conquered people. Anyone see a condtradiction here? And that is why I believe Jesus to be an acceptable role model.

So you're saying that people should pick and choose what parts of God's Word they like, and ignore the rest. Correct?

Sorry, charlie. God demands that we accept the whole Bible. No two ways about it.

By the way, Jesus acknowledges that HE IS GOD. In case you missed that part.

So, wherever you have said "Yahweh", you may freely substitute Jesus, and vice versa.

Instead of cherry-picking little drips and drabs of Jesus' pleasantries in the New Testament, why don't you try reading the whole thing and understanding it?

Tell me, in which testament does God make idolators into homosexuals, so He may in better conscience condemn them to eternal punishment in Hell? (See Romans 1)

In which testament does God force the dull-witted to believe lies, so that He may in good conscience condemn them to eternal punishment for believing the lies that the God who created them forced their mortal minds to believe? (See 2 Thessalonians 2)

I suggest you actually read the New Testament before you start yammering about how Jesus is all about unconditional love for all. There is no inconsistency between Yahweh and Jesus. They're the same God.

[Brother Temperance]

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I think Jesus knew His comming would start wars and stuff: it would have been better if peace had continued, but He knew that humans would fight over who is right and wrong for millenia to come.

If Jesus knew that his coming would just lead to problems, why did He bother? More to the point, why could He have not proclaimed His presence in such a clear and unambiguous fashion that all could understand His glory, and then live in peace and harmony together forever? Make no mistake friend, if religious wars happen, it's because He wants them to.

Well I have a problem with it too! It's just that Jesus' message is a lot more... digestible... to sane people than that of the Old Testament. For example, Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." Yahweh in the Old Testament commanded to mercy against a conquered people. Anyone see a condtradiction here? And that is why I believe Jesus to be an acceptable role model.

Do you know which Testament it is where God/Jesus makes it clear that the vast majority of everyone who ever lived will not make it into Heaven, but will instead perish in eternal Hellfire? Do you know which Testament it is where God/Jesus admits to deliberately deceiving sinners to confuse them and send them to Hell?

If I were not already taken and if I were gay, I'd want to marry you, Alie.

Oh, get a room before you're banned, you two.

[WickedWitch]

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If I were not already taken and if I were gay, I'd want to marry you, Alie.

Ditto, my dear!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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Well of course. If you were being condescended to and insulted by someone who struts around with the arrogant belief that they know more than everyone, I think you'd be offended too.

If I were not already taken and if I were gay, I'd want to marry you, Alie.

[WickedWitch]

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Okay, okay, sheesh. Touched a nerve there, I see.

Well of course. If you were being condescended to and insulted by someone who struts around with the arrogant belief that they know more than everyone, I think you'd be offended too.

[Bobby-Joe]

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As a Pagan, I'm not going to pick on anyone wanting to believe in a higher power. It is the following of that cruel, inhumane, monstrous book, while at the same time saying that it is GOOD...which I have a problem with.

Look you heathen harlot; all GOOD comes from GOD. You are without GOD so how can you know what is GOOD? You have no frame of referance to judge virtue.

I think Jesus knew His comming would start wars and stuff: it would have been better if peace had continued, but He knew that humans would fight over who is right and wrong for millenia to come.

Shol'va, don't be such a nitwit; the Jews were fighting evil of paganism for a milieu before Jesus came to earth. What do you think the Romans were up to? Spreading sweetness and light with their swords? The only reason there was any peace in Judah at the time was the Romans would kill anybody who disturbed it and that my friend was the problem. The Jews were compromising The Lord’s will, nay twisting and spitting on it, to accommodate the Romans and the Greeks by living in peace with them. What Jesus was telling them the only way back to righteousness was to stop the appeasement, arm themselves, trust in The Lord to led them to victory over a military power ten times their size that had destroyed every other state worth mentioning at the time and had already defeated Judah once.

So what happened Sho’va? I tell you; in 80AD the Jews headed God and revolted. They did all right at first but they broke God’s law by fighting on the Sabbath. At that point God had enough of the Jews and abandoned them. The Romans overran Judah, stormed Jerusalem, burnt the Temple and enslaved the Jews. So that is what happens when you take pick and chose what you want from God and tell Him to sod off when it comes to something you don’t like; God lets your enemies destroy you.

Listen to the warning Shol’va and obey all of God’s message before He is feed up with you too!

[shol'va]

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And don't ever call me intolerant, little man. You have no idea what I've been through, know nothing about me, or my life.
Not to mention that your judging of me right there whilst accusing me of thus is ironic and hypocritical to say the least.

Okay, okay, sheesh. Touched a nerve there, I see.

No, dear, I'm not condemning anyone. Merely pointing out what that book actually says, rather than what you wish it says.

As a Pagan, I'm not going to pick on anyone wanting to believe in a higher power. It is the following of that cruel, inhumane, monstrous book, while at the same time saying that it is GOOD...which I have a problem with.

Well I have a problem with it too! It's just that Jesus' message is a lot more... digestible... to sane people than that of the Old Testament. For example, Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." Yahweh in the Old Testament commanded to mercy against a conquered people. Anyone see a condtradiction here? And that is why I believe Jesus to be an acceptable role model.

[shol'va]

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Actually, we go with God as He has described Himself in His Word. Perhaps you should read it, instead of praying to the failed false gods of collapsed theocracies. (OOPS! Yes, those were theocracies, and you're now a booster for their failed false gods.)

Every empire dies eventually, in most empires it was not the fault of worshipping false gods that they fell. You know, within a few hundred years of accepting Christianity, the Roman empire split apart. But I'm not saying it was the fault of the new religion, just that the religion of an empire does not matter. It matters, however, if the people rebel, and they WILL rebel against the cruelty that will dominate your theocracy.

Could you back that up with a scientific reference? 53% of Americans believe in Biblical 6-Day Creationism. How many of those do you think believe that "In God We Trust" needs to remain on the dollar bill? Look it up.

So now you're talking about science, when you clearly don't believe in it (apparently, science means satanism in Latin. Idiots.). And those percentages were just projections by me, they meant nothing, by what I said: "I'd bet that..."

Our "brand", as you call it, is following exactly what the Bible says, instead of ignoring parts or making stuff up to suit our fancy. That's what True Christianity is. All others are lying to themselves and their congregations, and remaking God in their own image.

That is where your beliefs fail you, for the scriptures (all scriptures, not just the Bible) were written by mortal hands, divinely inspired, maybe, but mortal hands nonetheless, and mortals as we all know are fallable.

I see. So if we do something you perceive as wrong, then it's OK for you to do something similar, which you also perceive as wrong? Interesting ethics you have there, Pagan.

...well, fight fire with fire...

We have repeatedly told you that we only state the Truth as God has written in His Word. We don't necessarily like all of it, but that doesn't give us the right to ignore the bits we don't care for. We may state that God commands us to commit genocide, but that doesn't mean we think it's a neat idea. You, on the other hand, advocate murdering anyone who doesn't think like you do. See the difference?

So you don't advocate genocide while your god does. Am I the only one confused here? (and I probably am). You god doesn't even fit with your own morality! I've said it before here, why would God make a race of humans and instill a revulsion to things like genocide in them, and then command them to commit genocide?

By the way, if God is false, and therefore does not exist (like your Egyptian sun-god Ra, who we all know has BILLIONS -- I mean, DOZENS -- of adherents) how exactly will you fight Him?

I never said Yahweh doesn't exist. He may have been a puppet of Satan, or something else entirely, but any being that is not a god can be killed.

Loosely translated, "I thought I could easily convince you people to apostate your faith with a few clever arguments, but since I've failed, I shall leave with my tail between my legs. You see, I really don't have the strength of spiritual conviction I thought I had."

I never thought I could convert even one of you while you are in a group in your own forum. I needed to test myself, rather. And clearly I passed, for your arguments have failed to convince me.