[Bobby-Joe]

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True, atheism bases its beliefs on reason and on science. However, atheism is limited by today's technology. If you don't have the techonology to find and/or measure something, then you cannot either prove or disprove it exists. Logic and reason say that you cannot claim something to be true or untrue until you can prove your statement. I do not claim to be right; I state what I believe to be true - but that doesn't mean that it is [true]. You are saying that you know that there are no gods in the Universe, but in doing so you are rejecting logic. You do not and cannot know whether or not gods exist because you cannot prove or disprove them. Atheism is about being neutral, and skeptical (not fully believing or disbelieving in something without evidence). But you are neither of those things, which makes you a fundamentalist and every bit as bad as the Landoverites.

Allie, the impossibility of proving a negative means it is upon you to prove your false gods/goddess exist, not for that deprived Hairy Homer to prove they don't When she in not mashing over you, your ardent female admirer Rachael Van Hellsing points this out to us TRUE Christians™ rather stridently . However she is wrong because we TRUE Christians(tm) are sure our God exists because we have written records of Him when He was on Earth; The Bible and the writings of Joesphus Flavuis.

[WickedWitch]

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All right, you've had some time to prepare yourself for this, your day of reckoning. (*Giggles* Alie is a Drama Queen!)

Of course not, sweetie, of course not. But we do seem to let complete strangers hit the odd nerve, don't we blossom? Just a teensy-weensy bit crabby are we not? Bad PMS? Argument with the pimply boyfriend perhaps? (or is it a girl-friend?)

You and I need to get a few things straight before I leave you in tatters: I'm not your 'sweetie', nor am I your 'blossom'. I'm not your anything. Your pet-names and 110% unappreciated, and they will stop. Seriously, you're on some pretty thin ice there, jackass. Secondly, I don't PMS; have a look at my posts and you'll eventually come across the fact that I have a cannibalistic uterus, and thus avoid menstrating. Thirdly, whether or not I am in a relationship with someone is absolutely none of your greasy business.

Wiccan, Pagan, what the hell: it's all about romping skyclad with goats in the woods isn't it? No. Not even close. If you look to the Landoverites for information on either Wicca or Paganism, you're going to be severely misinformed. Wasn't someone here who's a pagan saying that she was going to the summerlands where it's all green and nice and the Goddess and God are there and everyone humps the shrubbery? I thought I saw a whole thread about it somewhere (by Ixi?). Someone saying that the Christian heaven was not unlike summerland, or whatever. I had it all explained to me by Moonie pie on one occasion, but admit I forget most of it. For some reason I wasn't concentrating as much on what she was saying as other matters at the time. Can't think what they might have been.

I'm going to have to repeat myself for you, what with your learning disablities and ADD, but try to follow along: Summerland is a Wiccan belief. I am not Wiccan. Therefore, I do not believe in Summerland. Now, while Wicca is a Pagan religion, Paganism is different from Wicca.

On the contrary, angel britches Where the hell do you get these crazy pet-names?! Seriously, is there some kind of handbook you pricks are given at your "All Hail The Mighty Atheist" conventions?, we atheists certainly do not need to and certainly do not believe we know everything. Quite the opposite! We accept that what we know about the universe is so miniscule that it is scarcely a drop in the ocean. Then why are you so unable to admit to the possiblility of Higher Powers and/or life after death? If you are aware that you hardly know anything about anything in this Universe, why are those two concepts so hard for you to accept as possibilities?

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And of course there must be many things that we are unaware of and that we don't know exist. That is the basic premise of science, you silly little
apricot So now I'm a fruit, am I? -- that there are many things that we don't know or understand. That is what science, or more accurately the scientific method, is all about. It's a method of inquiry into the unknown; but a method based on reason, experiment, and intelligence -- not emotion, prejudice and wishful thinking.

True, atheism bases its beliefs on reason and on science. However, atheism is limited by today's technology. If you don't have the techonology to find and/or measure something, then you cannot either prove or disprove it exists. Logic and reason say that you cannot claim something to be true or untrue until you can prove your statement. I do not claim to be right; I state what I believe to be true - but that doesn't mean that it is [true]. You are saying that you know that there are no gods in the Universe, but in doing so you are rejecting logic. You do not and cannot know whether or not gods exist because you cannot prove or disprove them. Atheism is about being neutral, and skeptical (not fully believing or disbelieving in something without evidence). But you are neither of those things, which makes you a fundamentalist and every bit as bad as the Landoverites.

Awwww, go on buttercup, you don't really mean it! Admit it baby-cakes, you really think I'm just the cat's pjamas. Sure I do... If by "cat's pajamas" you meant "brainless, arrogant, condescending bastard". old There is no need to be shy you little lambkin, you can let your real feelings show here! Oh but, pussy-foot, if I did that, you'd be terrified out of your small-minded, thick-as-f*cking-concrete skull and run home to your mamma in tears. Believe me, I'm toning my anger down for the safety of all those who may be reading this.

I understand snookums, you're shy. I often have this effect on women. Sister Sue Vera goes weak at the knees whenever I'm within a hundred metres.

You know, when you make all the women you meet this angry, then you really ought to look into some kind of treatment to correct whatever mental deffect you have.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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eyeyeyeyerrrrrr graouber slobber....

emits radiation by absorbing virtual particles at the Schwartzchild radius boundary.

ggerrrtcer (grins stupidly)

Wacky tabaccy in moderation, SF, in moderation!

True Christians, yes. False Christians evangelize lies and attack True Christians while they pretend to be good people, so they can draw in those who find the Bible inconvenient. Then those innocent people believe the lies and are condemned to hell.

OYK is right about something here.
So many xtians use the bible to justify anything, they interpret that book any way they wish to, to justify their horrible, vicious, spiteful, violent actions.
I once asked some oh so tolerant <insert sarcasm> xtians I knew what kind of merciful god would send ANYone to 'hell'. Their answer? That I was evil and possessed for even asking such a thing.

These people at landover, nutty though they are, at least do not pretend to be something they are not, the same way that so many xtians these days pretend to be something they are not, which is loving, tolerant and forgiving. They are only those things towards other xtians, not truly towards anyone else and if they are, it's only in the hope of converting them and failing that, they constantly 'pray for them' to turn.

I've known enough, more than enough xtians in my lifetime to know the way that they think.

[Star Finder]

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eyeyeyeyerrrrrr graouber slobber....

emits radiation by absorbing virtual particles at the Schwartzchild radius boundary.

ggerrrtcer (grins stupidly)

[OnYourKnees]

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you sir, are a freaky-heady soccer-loving EUROPEAN so I am surprised that you know how to read no less to spell.

I know Richard Dawking, Richard Dawkings is a friend of mine, and I am, sir, NO Richard Dawkings.

(being partially retarded, ball-less and maimed)


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True, you're closer to a Stephen Hawking, except for the partially retarded part.

[Star Finder]

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you sir, are a freaky-heady soccer-loving EUROPEAN so I am surprised that you know how to read no less to spell.

I know Richard Dawking, Richard Dawkings is a friend of mine, and I am, sir, NO Richard Dawkings.

(being partially retarded, ball-less and maimed)


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[Brother Temperance]

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Yes Harry,



it must be performed with the greatest care. with proper ritual and preparation. You have to drink the femented milk of the horse and eat the blue-stemed mushrooms that grow in the pasture and then you have to smoke the golden leaf.

after that you can bang your head on the rock and the stars will appear.

you will not be harmed. (even if you bleed a bit don't worry head wounds always do that and it's nothing)

Can anyone tell the difference between this maniac's jabberings and the latest Richard Dawkins book?

[Star Finder]

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Yes Harry,

must say I think this banging one's head on rocks risky Star.

it must be performed with the greatest care. with proper ritual and preparation. You have to drink the femented milk of the horse and eat the blue-stemed mushrooms that grow in the pasture and then you have to smoke the golden leaf.

after that you can bang your head on the rock and the stars will appear.

you will not be harmed. (even if you bleed a bit don't worry head wounds always do that and it's nothing)

[Lady Sorrow]

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So, Hairy Homer, I understand you've been looking for me. The problem there being that you are a hellbound athian, and the bible clearly says I should not invite unbelievers into my home or socialize with them.

I'm sorry about this, I truly am, but God's word (r) is quite clear on this fact. If, on the other hand, you were to become saved(r), maybe I might reconsider. But in order to ensure that you had only honorable intentions, I would ask that a Pastor be present as bodyguard chaperone.

Please do take the opportunity to turn from your monkey-worshipping blasphemy, dear.

[Hairy Homer]

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WOW!

This is a great thread. I like how the christers are fighting amounst themselves.

Harry, I don't believe we've met. you speak of


but everyone knows that the spirits that live inside of rocks, trees and water cause everything to happen. There is no such thing as science or common sense. You need to speak to the sky and bang your head on a rock. That is the way of knowledge.

I would like to hear more explainations about why its stupid to worship a god who wants to be killed. Please continue.

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How do you do, Star (You don’t mind if I call you Star?)

It is a civilized pleasure to find a calm and thoughtful reply like yours amongst the ill-considered and often ill-tempered (yes Undie -- ill-tempered) posts on this thread.

But I’m not sure that I can agree with what you say about it being common knowledge that the spirits living inside of rocks, trees and water cause everything to happen.

This is certainly just as sensible an idea as that of the xians or pagan/wiccans, but I don’t think it can accurately be said to be a universally accepted idea.

I can’t accept your antepenultimate sentence either. Is it really the way of knowledge to speak to the sky and bang your head on a rock?

I can’t cite any studies dealing specifically with a relationship between these matters; but we can draw inferences from known phenomena. Isn’t talking to the sky what the christers do? And the pagan/wiccan/witches? They talk to the sky because they think that there are spirits up there that will answer their supplications (prayers). So talking to the sky doesn’t always mean an increase in knowledge.

What is well established is that there is a strong correlation between being dropped from some height onto one’s head when a baby, and the development of fundamentalist xian or pagan/wiccan beliefs later in life. Isn’t being dropped on one’s head not unlike hitting one’s head on a rock?

I suspect that it would affect different individuals differently. Take Shol'va for example: Banging his/her head on a rock would probably have little or no effect at all, except maybe to chip the rock. On the other hand, to bang young Undie’s head on a rock may simply make her even more confused and muddled than she is already.

On the whole I must say I think this banging one's head on rocks risky Star. Still I appreciate your input. (I will come back to your final question later.)

[OnYourKnees]

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For the second thing, I've had experience with atheists too. And in my experience, it's not enough for them not to believe in a god, they must also act like jerks to anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.

Kind of like you have, and like most people -- false Christians, Wiccans, Pagans, whatever -- who come here to our forum to attack our beliefs, wholly unprovoked?

Seriously, they ignore all the evidence of God and the supernatural:

Throughout history, people in every single culture have been convinced there is a god.

Or gods.
Except the Godless Commies. And we see how that worked out for them.

The complexity and simplicity within eachother found in our universe points to intelligent design... take the human brain, for example.

Exactly! Too bad it's managed to "devolve" over time, and now has cancers, and chemical imbalances, and all those nasty dysfunctions. One would think that God had designed it poorly, if it wasn't painfully obvious that the introduction of sin is what has caused the problems.

Human kind's inherent sense of right and wrong cannot be biologically explained.

Well, except in the way B-J explained it. In fact, the same sorts of community-building behaviors are seen in lower animals, like apes, canines, and Canadians.

Out-of-body experiences, where good people see heaven and the bad see hell.

Sorry. The Bible indicates quite clearly that after death, you are dead until the Resurrection at the end of the world. Yep, dead and rotting and knowing nothing until Jesus returns and resurrects you to either everlasting reward or eternal torture. That's why the Catholic church forbade cremation for centuries; they thought the creator of the universe wouldn't be able to reconstitute the bodies from scattered smoke and ash.

Those visions of heaven and hell are hallucinations fed by the individual's belief system. In different cultures, they also see what they expect to see.

Psychic abilities (telekinesis, prediction of the future, etc.), the ones that can't be explained by frauds.

Have you found any evidence of this yet? I've only seen frauds.

The higher likelyhood of something happening if we pray or visualize it.

Already addressed by B-J. God only answers the prayers of True Christians; no study of True Christian prayers has been completed yet.

That's all I can think of now... but Rachael can condemn Christians all she likes, yet the fact remains that most Christians are good people.

True Christians, yes. False Christians evangelize lies and attack True Christians while they pretend to be good people, so they can draw in those who find the Bible inconvenient. Then those innocent people believe the lies and are condemned to hell.

Atheism, however, leads to evil, because if you are atheist and a bad person, you're not going to be punished after you die.

Actually, they are going to be punished after they die; however, the same need to participate in society applies to atheists as it does to members of any religion. Since you've generalized here, please show us research to back up your claim that atheists are evil. After all, if it can be "scientifically" proven, then maybe we can get some laws on the books to deal with atheists. Remove them from society, that sort of thing.

[Star Finder]

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When you hear the rumbling in the mountains, that's because the Spirit Who Lives in the Rocks is hungry. Then the boulders come down and smash your house and squash your bodies into goo for the spirit to absorb.

The Spirit of the Wind howls and cries when it is angry that you don't make the smoke offering anymore. Then what happens. The wind comes and and smashes your houses and rends your bodies limb from limb so that the Wind Spirit can take your flesh for itself.

But people who don't even know how to spell BOWELS are trying to convince you to worship their puny dead god. You are fast earning the name Shovel of Shtta if you say you are buying into this donkey load of malarky.

Let's light a bonfire and chant and see if we can make you feel better....

hmmm

[Enobarbus]

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Ooooh, the Dean Emeritus himself, ruler (other than God) of this forum, comes to talk to me.

Actually, I've been thinking about that for a while. I've been to one extreme in the past (communist hippie nutjob) so why don't I go to the other extreme (right-wing religious fanatic) for a while? Of course at first I'd just be paying lip-service... but with time I may actually come to accept your values.

So be it. I shall engage in a little experiment to see if, by preaching TC values, I end up believing in TC values.

I am not the ruler of this forum. That would be Pastor Pistle through whom the Lord speaks directly (much of the time). If the Lord wills it, Shol'va, you may indeed come to be a True Christian™ and eventually take your place amongst the anointed in heaven.

[Talitha]

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Another soul brought to God by our work here at Landover! Praise!

I just hope he shows his gratitude with a big fat Loving Donation to Jesus© through the facility provided here on this very Website.

[Brother Temperance]

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Then I shall pray for Jesus to let His light into me, that it cleanses my dark, satan-filled mind.

Another soul brought to God by our work here at Landover! Praise!