[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Oh, sweetie.

You said there was no image of Jesus prior to 1492.
You were proven wrong.

I said that the painters did not see Jesus as they were painting Him, that accounts for differences in features etc. Note, that it does not say anything about Jesus - it just tells you these painters were not True Christians, otherwise, they would not dare to paint God's face (Exodus 20:4).

Mary Etheldreda has directed you to the only trustworthy source about Jesus' appearance.

What else do you want, sugar?

i said the modern image of Jesus was crafted in 1492. if you carefully go through all the images of jesus in the source you provided me with, only a few remain consistent with the modern day image. the other ones vere off in crazy other directions.

in regards to the famous revelations chapter about jesus having blazing white skin and hair.....hair....hair....his hair is white...white hair...wwwhhiiitteee haaaiirrr......

what color is his hair in the rest of the paintings??? thats the brownest looking white ive ever seen in my life. his eyes were like fire...guess that makes his eyes yellow???? who knew that was possible without contacts. skin being white as snow...so i guess he was albino then??? but that wouldnt make sense because albino cant be exposed to prolonged sunlight seeing as they lack melanin. so how in the heck did he survive the middle east??

ok i think ive made my point....

my whole point is that the modern image of jesus that we all appear worship is a mad made crafted image and that to debate the pigment of his skin color is about as useful as trying to stop the tide from rising and falling. unless you can create a time machine and go back to the year 21 ad and get a good look at the miracle worker himself then theres really no point in saying "Jesus is (insert color here).

[Basilissa]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

so then we can agree that there is no way to tell what jesus looked like. white, black, jew, mid eastern. that all depictions are all relevant to the artists personal surrounding area and how the locals looked.

that you yourself said that there is no true image of Jesus in the world we can both agree that no one knows how he looks. that if an arab in the 1200s had an image of Jesus as an arab it would be just as valid as a black or white person painting a white or black jesus since its relevant to their surrounding people.

we can agree that the image of Jesus as we know it was fabricated of a man by man to depict the local man around which the painter/sculptor, etc. lived. Just as the church in the 1400s modeled their Jesus after Cesar Borgia, it is just as feasible that any other image of Jesus was modeled after other locals with modifications to match him having a beard and long hair.

Oh, sweetie.

You said there was no image of Jesus prior to 1492.
You were proven wrong.

I said that the painters did not see Jesus as they were painting Him, that accounts for differences in features etc. Note, that it does not say anything about Jesus - it just tells you these painters were not True Christians, otherwise, they would not dare to paint God's face (Exodus 20:4).

Mary Etheldreda has directed you to the only trustworthy source about Jesus' appearance.

What else do you want, sugar?

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Oh, really?

Ancient:



Modern:




And who told you that there is a "true image of Jesus" somewhere in the world?

Whoever did, was a worse loony than yourself, sweetie.

so then we can agree that there is no way to tell what jesus looked like. white, black, jew, mid eastern. that all depictions are all relevant to the artists personal surrounding area and how the locals looked.

that you yourself said that there is no true image of Jesus in the world we can both agree that no one knows how he looks. that if an arab in the 1200s had an image of Jesus as an arab it would be just as valid as a black or white person painting a white or black jesus since its relevant to their surrounding people.

we can agree that the image of Jesus as we know it was fabricated of a man by man to depict the local man around which the painter/sculptor, etc. lived. Just as the church in the 1400s modeled their Jesus after Cesar Borgia, it is just as feasible that any other image of Jesus was modeled after other locals with modifications to match him having a beard and long hair.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an...rance_of_Jesus

check this out i can use wikipedia too.

"Despite the lack of direct biblical or historical references, from the second century, various theories about the race of Jesus were advanced and debated.[2][3] By the Middle Ages a number of documents, generally of unknown or questionable origin, had been composed and were circulating with details of the appearance of Jesus. Now these documents are mostly considered forgeries.[4][5][6] While many people have a fixed mental image of Jesus, drawn from his artistic depictions, these images often conform to stereotypes which are not grounded in any serious research on the historical Jesus, but are based on second or third hand interpretations of spurious sources.[7]"

Don't be silly, dear. Wikipedia has been taken over by the liberal feminazis who have made it a mission to force all school children to become gay "boy toys" for the homosexual mafia. Why, wikipedia even talks about evolution as if it were true. Now, if you want a good source of information, I would go HERE.

[Basilissa]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

so even they cant agree on which image of jesus is the reliable one to use. all those pre 1492 ones are very much different then the post 1492 ones. the only consistency being him bearing a beard so there goes that.

Oh, really?

Ancient:



Modern:

so you agree with me then that the painters around europe get inspired by how jesus should look by "surrounding mortals as models". that the true image of jesus that keeps getting passed around can indeed by a misleading one.

And who told you that there is a "true image of Jesus" somewhere in the world?

Whoever did, was a worse loony than yourself, sweetie.

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

"What did Jesus look like? No one knows for sure. The New Testament provides almost no physical descriptions and the earliest surviving portraits of Jesus date from about two centuries after his lifetime."

"But the vast majority are symbolic representations or reflections of the artist's own time, culture and perceptions of Jesus, not attempts to show what he actually looked like."

your source....not mine

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Here is another one, and another, and another for ya, sweetie. They give different images as the oldest, but I hope you get the picture.

Didymus and I have proven that there are images of Jesus which are older than 1492, or whatever date you came up with. Why don't you address that issue first, before talking about other stuff?

Anyway. Have you taken under account as a slight possibility, that thousands of painters across Europe have been painting Jesus without having Him in from of them, and therefore using other surrounding mortals as models?

Prove it.

Why don't you read the 44 pages of this thread to find an answer?

so even they cant agree on which image of jesus is the reliable one to use. all those pre 1492 ones are very much different then the post 1492 ones. the only consistency being him bearing a beard so there goes that.

so you agree with me then that the painters around europe get inspired by how jesus should look by "surrounding mortals as models". that the true image of jesus that keeps getting passed around can indeed by a misleading one.

and in just these past few posts, ive pointed out your contradictions already.

as for the whole "white supremacy" youve got going on its very much present from the get go of this whole thread. its kinda sickening really...well not sickening, saddening more like it. i truly do find it sad that you cant see past the surface skin of your fellow human beings.

[Basilissa]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

your source is wikipedia??? think about that one.

Here is another one, and another, and another for ya, sweetie. They give different images as the oldest, but I hope you get the picture.

your "source" has multiple images of varying differences of how jesus looked. and the only consistency as far as i can tell is that he has a beard. some of them show him having dark skin. as does the "russian" image posted above.

Didymus and I have proven that there are images of Jesus which are older than 1492, or whatever date you came up with. Why don't you address that issue first, before talking about other stuff?

Anyway. Have you taken under account as a slight possibility, that thousands of painters across Europe have been painting Jesus without having Him in from of them, and therefore using other surrounding mortals as models?

you guys cant even keep your own story consistent. this whole forum is laden with contradictions and misinformation and twisted half-truths to support your own twisted misrepresentations.

Prove it.

if race really doesnt matter to you guys then why do you place so much emphasis on being white??? thats such a contradiction in your own words.

Why don't you read the 44 pages of this thread to find an answer?

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus

check this out i can use wikipedia too.

"Despite the lack of direct biblical or historical references, from the second century, various theories about the race of Jesus were advanced and debated.[2][3] By the Middle Ages a number of documents, generally of unknown or questionable origin, had been composed and were circulating with details of the appearance of Jesus. Now these documents are mostly considered forgeries.[4][5][6] While many people have a fixed mental image of Jesus, drawn from his artistic depictions, these images often conform to stereotypes which are not grounded in any serious research on the historical Jesus, but are based on second or third hand interpretations of spurious sources.[7]"

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

And you believed that.

You went to a website, and someone (with an agenda) planted a seed of doubt by exploiting your ignorance, and all of a sudden you have been gifted with the TRUTH that's hidden from the rest of us mere mortals.

Meanwhile, I took all of 30 seconds to find (drum roll, please):



Which depicts "Christ, As Saviour", by Andrei Rublev, from 1410 (ie. 82 years before the shenanigans you right, not you, someone else that you neglect to credit detailed) so you never mind that picture obviously doesn't exist, it's all part of a conspiracy so we'd better whisper real quiet or they'll hear us...



Funny, He looks kinda Russian to me, for some strange reason.

my information actually comes from a pastor ive kept in contact with over the years since (despite our differences in some vies) he is open minded and always good for a healthy exchange of ideas. there are many historical archives to support my "shenanigans".

you can find them yourself. the modern day image of Jesus is Cesare Borgia.

and for the record ive never seen a russian with skin that dark. unless they were mixed

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Except for the depictions on thousands of icons, starting in AD 235 (source)...

No He doesn't!

your source is wikipedia??? think about that one.

your "source" has multiple images of varying differences of how jesus looked. and the only consistency as far as i can tell is that he has a beard. some of them show him having dark skin. as does the "russian" image posted above.

you guys cant even keep your own story consistent. this whole forum is laden with contradictions and misinformation and twisted half-truths to support your own twisted misrepresentations.

if race really doesnt matter to you guys then why do you place so much emphasis on being white??? thats such a contradiction in your own words.

[Basilissa]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

so your telling me that you dont find it odd that there are no on record depictions of the famous miracle worker Jesus Christ that predate the 1400s. in 1400 years of human history no one started making images of jesus until the early renaissance. and that with 1400 years of no images,

Except for the depictions on thousands of icons, starting in AD 235 (source)...

suddenly out of nowhere these artists suddenly know how he looks and for some reason looks Italian?

No He doesn't!

[CesareBorgia]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Jesus? A wop?

whats a wop??

[Didymus Much]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

so your telling me that you dont find it odd that there are no on record depictions of the famous miracle worker Jesus Christ that predate the 1400s...

And you believed that.

You went to a website, and someone (with an agenda) planted a seed of doubt by exploiting your ignorance, and all of a sudden you have been gifted with the TRUTH that's hidden from the rest of us mere mortals.

Meanwhile, I took all of 30 seconds to find (drum roll, please):



Which depicts "Christ, As Saviour", by Andrei Rublev, from 1410 (ie. 82 years before the shenanigans you right, not you, someone else that you neglect to credit detailed) so you never mind that picture obviously doesn't exist, it's all part of a conspiracy so we'd better whisper real quiet or they'll hear us...

...suddenly out of nowhere these artists suddenly know how he looks and for some reason looks Italian?

Funny, He looks kinda Russian to me, for some strange reason.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

so your telling me that you dont find it odd that there are no on record depictions of the famous miracle worker Jesus Christ that predate the 1400s. in 1400 years of human history no one started making images of jesus until the early renaissance. and that with 1400 years of no images, suddenly out of nowhere these artists suddenly know how he looks and for some reason looks Italian?

Jesus? A wop?