[Thorjohn]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

You picked a Republican president as the worst in our history. I consider that to be disrespectful. You also said this,

"Isn't the job of a Christian to speak God's word? James Peter, Brother, have you been turned down by the Christians of this community? Like it or not, landover, Jesus created the Holy Catholic Church, and he made St. Peter the Pope. You say Catholicism is satanist and blasphemy, so why did Our Father's own son create the Catholic Church? If it's so pagan, how would Jesus have created it? I would like CALM, open-minded answers. I don't bash you, please don't bash me."

So, why aren't YOU listening to ME? I gave you a reply. You ignored it because you couldn't answer it and thought you could make me forget by harping on about an infraction nobody cares about.

I didn´t pick them myself, but when I come to think of it, it´s very easy to argue that papa Bush and Baby Bush were the two worst presidents in modern history.

But then again, it would depend on how you look at it. From Halliburton point of view, Baby Bush was without a doubt the gratest of them all.

I don´t think you baptist guys realize what damage he did to the image of your country in Europe. He was REALLY hated. No Europian Head of State, or Head of Goverment in Europe would have said that God told him to invade a country, without beiing kicked out of office immediately and driven to the nearest mental hospital...

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Sir, why won't you listen to me? I try to listen to what you say and try to avoid not repeating myself, but I've said this before already and you keep coming back with that excuse. That somehow I insulted the Republican Party. I did NOT insult the Republican part. I said, quote, "Although my country is Liberal, I am neutral."

You picked a Republican president as the worst in our history. I consider that to be disrespectful. You also said this,

"Isn't the job of a Christian to speak God's word? James Peter, Brother, have you been turned down by the Christians of this community? Like it or not, landover, Jesus created the Holy Catholic Church, and he made St. Peter the Pope. You say Catholicism is satanist and blasphemy, so why did Our Father's own son create the Catholic Church? If it's so pagan, how would Jesus have created it? I would like CALM, open-minded answers. I don't bash you, please don't bash me."

So, why aren't YOU listening to ME? I gave you a reply. You ignored it because you couldn't answer it and thought you could make me forget by harping on about an infraction nobody cares about.

[Thorjohn]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Sir, why won't you listen to me? I try to listen to what you say and try to avoid not repeating myself, but I've said this before already and you keep coming back with that excuse. That somehow I insulted the Republican Party. I did NOT insult the Republican part. I said, quote, "Although my country is Liberal, I am neutral." I also said that I am not American. I have no grounds to disrespect because frankly it's hard to keep up with your political parties as well when we already have many more political parties than America. I am not much into politics anyways, because I can't vote -.-' Democrats have had some horrible presidents as well. I don't like Obama because he didn't really do anything he said he world do (ultimately), and if I were American I would be ashamed of a president who makes a promise and says "change" (which is too broad of a word to understand what he's talking about) is coming to Americans, but I really haven't seen it for you, mate. I'm sorry, but you're still in a recession aren't you? Obama didn't make as much change as people had expected he would... But rest assured, at least you didn't have the overly-sensitive, no-humour, annoying voice, uneducated Hilary. To that you can add to your list of blessings.
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I may be wrong, but mabye many Americans don´t realize the big difference between American and Europian politics. What we consider conservative, they may consider moderate, even partly liberal. What they call "leftists" in America, would in many cases be considered moderate-right winged progressive in Europe.

In other words, we Europians are generally more to the left than the Americans. What on Earth might the Americans hear, if they listened to the lesbian, gay-married, feminist oriented and social-democratic Icelandic prime minister? I just wonder....

[Lily (toiletmouth) Walsh]

I know you did not mention George Bush. The infraction said "Insulting George Bush OR the Republican Party". Do you know what the word "or" means?

And thank you for admitting that the Catholic Church was not founded by Jesus.

Sir, why won't you listen to me? I try to listen to what you say and try to avoid not repeating myself, but I've said this before already and you keep coming back with that excuse. That somehow I insulted the Republican Party. I did NOT insult the Republican part. I said, quote, "Although my country is Liberal, I am neutral." I also said that I am not American. I have no grounds to disrespect because frankly it's hard to keep up with your political parties as well when we already have many more political parties than America. I am not much into politics anyways, because I can't vote -.-' Democrats have had some horrible presidents as well. I don't like Obama because he didn't really do anything he said he world do (ultimately), and if I were American I would be ashamed of a president who makes a promise and says "change" (which is too broad of a word to understand what he's talking about) is coming to Americans, but I really haven't seen it for you, mate. I'm sorry, but you're still in a recession aren't you? Obama didn't make as much change as people had expected he would... But rest assured, at least you didn't have the overly-sensitive, no-humour, annoying voice, uneducated Hilary. To that you can add to your list of blessings.
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[Thorjohn]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Well, I would choose for "another."

First of all, it´s very difficult historically, to compare 18th and early 19th century presidents to those of the modern day. That would include comparing Washinton to Reagan. Those two presidents simply didn´t live in the same country, so to speak.

My choise would be those presidents between president Polk and Lincoln, with an exeption of Zachary Taylor, a Whig president, 1849-50. These presidents, Fillmore, Pierce and Buchanan, all one-term presidents (Fillmore assuming office on Taylors death), were none-republicans, so you can not accuse me of beiing an anti-republican.

The reason is simple - none of them were confirmative enough to take steps that would have avoided the Civil War.

I would also say Hayes, for abandoning reconstruction. You´ve had a few good democratic presidents, FDR and LBJ comes to mind. Also a few good republicans, Lincoln, TR, Hoover (who had the huge misfortune of beiing in the White house at the time when the big depression started), Eisenhower, Nixon (yeah - really) and Ford.

Never liked the Bushes a lot...

[Thorjohn]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

THe worst president ever has to be Obama! I dont know if Im ever going to get a good job thanks to him and I keep hearing hes not even American! If hes not American can he even be called president!

Look young man, try to get a real history lesson. If an individual is not a naturalized born US citizen, he/she wouldn´t be allowed to run for president.

Your president is black. Deal with it. Get over it...

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

But I didn't insult George Bush at ALL, and I'm not putting us off-topic. Read my original post from yesterday. I asked this question and you didn't answer it. Instead you went and wrote up a novel to something completely irrelevant to what I was asking you. I asked you before you even started talking to me why you gave me an infraction. I NEVER insulted George Bush, or the Republican party. On the contrary, I titled myself as not Liberal. You bore false witness and slandered me, I never even mentioned or SAID George Bush's name at all in my post. I said I didn't really like Hoover much from what I researched about him. I even said in the very beginning that I'M NOT AMERICAN. I said QUOTE: "You can disregard this comment." Did you read the whole thing carefully or just the first couple of sentences and decided to infer on what the rest of it's about?
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I know you did not mention George Bush. The infraction said "Insulting George Bush OR the Republican Party". Do you know what the word "or" means?

And thank you for admitting that the Catholic Church was not founded by Jesus.

[Lily (toiletmouth) Walsh]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

But I didn't insult George Bush at ALL, and I'm not putting us off-topic. Read my original post from yesterday. I asked this question and you didn't answer it. Instead you went and wrote up a novel to something completely irrelevant to what I was asking you. I asked you before you even started talking to me why you gave me an infraction. I NEVER insulted George Bush, or the Republican party. On the contrary, I titled myself as not Liberal. You bore false witness and slandered me, I never even mentioned or SAID George Bush's name at all in my post. I said I didn't really like Hoover much from what I researched about him. I even said in the very beginning that I'M NOT AMERICAN. I said QUOTE: "You can disregard this comment." Did you read the whole thing carefully or just the first couple of sentences and decided to infer on what the rest of it's about?
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[Meek and Humble]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Heathen before I respond to this could you please tell me why you gave me an infraction. Please directly quote my line that insults George Bush. If you can't do that, I feel you have lied and therefore bore false witness
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When you infract someone, there is a list of customized infractions you can choose from. For example:

-Unsaved Trash speaking nonsense
-Insulting Wash O'Hanley
-Being a Blonde Bimbo
-Poor composition skills
-Male unsaved trash speaking out of turn
-Posting lewd or pornographic material
-Insulting Landover and/or TCs
-Athiest scum using Landover to mock Christianity.
-Practicing occultism (science or other) on GOD's favorite forum
-Bearing false witness against God's favorite church
-Put User on Moderation
etc, etc.

One of these options to select is "Insulting George W Bush or the American Republican Party". I didn't write up the list, but that's what most closely matched your post. Notice the key-word there, OR. That means you did one or the other. You insulted the American Republican Party, even if you did not mention George W Bush.

Now, are you going to stop trying to sidetrack the discussion, or are you going to admit you have no answer?

[Lily (toiletmouth) Walsh]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Heathen before I respond to this could you please tell me why you gave me an infraction. Please directly quote my line that insults George Bush. If you can't do that, I feel you have lied and therefore bore false witness
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[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

…I wish you wouldn't toss my ideas and thoughts out like they're worthless…]

Your "opinions" are worthless because they do not come from The Bible.

II PETER 1
19 We haue also a more sure word of prophecie, whereunto yee doe well that ye take heede, as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place, vntill the day dawne, and the day starre arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any priuate Interpretation:
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There is a thread which migh be more appropriate for you HERE

(This thread is about American Presidents.)

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

This is what upsets me, Sir. You don't even give me a chance. You know NOTHING about me except my birthdate, gender, and name. You do not understand my intention. You say "seeking truth," but I feel I have the truth. You believe things that are contrary to mine and because of that you refuse to get to know me, you refuse to find out what I really believe. I'm sure James will understand what I'm talking about when I say that this Church of yours is excluding others. Isn't the job of a Christian to speak God's word? James Peter, Brother, have you been turned down by the Christians of this community? Like it or not, landover, Jesus created the Holy Catholic Church, and he made St. Peter the Pope. You say Catholicism is satanist and blasphemy, so why did Our Father's own son create the Catholic Church? If it's so pagan, how would Jesus have created it? I would like CALM, open-minded answers. I don't bash you, please don't bash me.
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Jesus created the Catholic Church, did He now? Funny, I don't see the word Catholic in the Bible at all. The Catholic Church was created in the 4th century after Christiantiy was hi-jacked by the Roman Empire and morphed together with their pagan religions. When does Jesus ever talk about any of these things?

-OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ.

-Wax Candles introduced in church. about 320 AD

-Veneration of angels and dead saints. 375

-The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted. 394

-The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus 431

-Priests began to dress differently from the laity 500

-Extreme Unction 526

-The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great 593

-The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ. The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9). 600

-The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church (Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 600

-The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11). Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 610

-The kissing of the Pope's feet. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9). 709

-The Temporal power of the Popes. When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 750

-Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized. This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115). 788

-Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized 850

-The veneration of St. Joseph began. 890

-The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV 965

- Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV. Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2). 995

-Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed. Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible. (Read Matthew 15:10; 1st Corinthians 10:25; 1st Timothy 4:1-3). 998

-The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).

-The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15).

-The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13). 1090

-The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion 1184

-The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin. Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 1190

-The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26). 1215

-Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9). 1215

-The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius. So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24). 1220

-The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17). 1229

-The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism. 1287

-The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance. The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29). 1414

-The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1). 1439

-The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28). 1439

-The Ave Maria, part of the last. It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century. 1508

-The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18). 1545

-The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent. These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Revelation 22:8-9). 1546

-The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Galatians 1:8).

-The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47). 1834

-n the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18). Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666.

-Pope Plus X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church. Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.

--In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools

-In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God". This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5).

-In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary

[Lily (toiletmouth) Walsh]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Yes friend, I know you are Catholic. I was warning you not to listen to the Protestants on here. Only Catholics are real Christians. Only we do as Jesus requires. There is no two ways about it. Being open-minded is dangerous. The Pope teaches us that there is no salvation outside of the church.



You see, this is the totally wrong attitude to have. They are in fact wrong, and they are going to hell. You should be warning them. Our job is to lead as many back into the Holy Catholic Church as we can. You should be angry when they insult Jesus' one and only Church.

Appologies, Sir. I interpreted what you wrote incorrectly. Although I agree with you 100%, I fear that rebelling and getting angry will cause people to further reject Catholicism and get us banned. Be patient, good things come to those who wait.
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[Lily (toiletmouth) Walsh]

Why would we entertain the vain babbling of a Mary-worshipping papist who tries to bring True Christianity(tm) down to her level? Your cannibalistic Romanist death cult tried its best to ruin the Church but failed. Why would we wish to "make connections" with your cult when God clearly instructed us to reprove false doctrines and separate ourselves from those who seek to weaken our faith?

Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

1st Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Furthermore, if you are really seeking the Truth, do not waste your time searching on the googles. You can download your own copy of the KJV 1611 here.

This is what upsets me, Sir. You don't even give me a chance. You know NOTHING about me except my birthdate, gender, and name. You do not understand my intention. You say "seeking truth," but I feel I have the truth. You believe things that are contrary to mine and because of that you refuse to get to know me, you refuse to find out what I really believe. I'm sure James will understand what I'm talking about when I say that this Church of yours is excluding others. Isn't the job of a Christian to speak God's word? James Peter, Brother, have you been turned down by the Christians of this community? Like it or not, landover, Jesus created the Holy Catholic Church, and he made St. Peter the Pope. You say Catholicism is satanist and blasphemy, so why did Our Father's own son create the Catholic Church? If it's so pagan, how would Jesus have created it? I would like CALM, open-minded answers. I don't bash you, please don't bash me.
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[James Peter]

Re: Your Opinion: The Worst United States President Ever

Uhhhm... I'm not Protestant. I'm Roman Catholic -.-' and yes, I've looked into history and beliefs of many religions. I don't want to be sucked into a religion I don't believe in just because I was "born into it." So I try to keep an open-mind to other people's religions. But... Um, yeah. Like I said in this and many other posts... I'm Catholic :/
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Yes friend, I know you are Catholic. I was warning you not to listen to the Protestants on here. Only Catholics are real Christians. Only we do as Jesus requires. There is no two ways about it. Being open-minded is dangerous. The Pope teaches us that there is no salvation outside of the church.

There are a few Baptist ideas that I strongly feel against, but I have held my tounge. I have not thrown you back and say "YOU'RE WRONG, YOU'RE WRONG, BURN IN HELL!!" I feel like I've gotten the passive-aggressive version of this, which can be even colder. There are even some things you've said about the Roman Catholic Church which are false. I didn't come out at you like a passive-aggressive squid of anger and hate.

You see, this is the totally wrong attitude to have. They are in fact wrong, and they are going to hell. You should be warning them. Our job is to lead as many back into the Holy Catholic Church as we can. You should be angry when they insult Jesus' one and only Church.