[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

That was a really racist thing to say. We don't tolerate that kind of hatespeech.

[Aletheides]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Unfortunately Rev, you're failing to realize that white mexicans get their skin color from Europeans that immigrated here during the 1800's. What you will see in media both mexican and white are typically white mexicans with white skin color. The majority of Mexicans don't have this skin color, and are darker. Trust me on this, I live in Mexico.

Here's a more accurate depiction of Jesus.



We also don't know for sure what kind of headwear Jesus wore. It could have been a sombrero like the one shown above (colors could vary, of course).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Thanks Rev. I think you're the most sane person on this forum.

I've learned that Jesus was not a negro. Though, he wasn't a white man either. His skil color almost reminds me of a Mexican (but of course Jesus wasn't a Mexican).

No, He wasn't.

But Daisy Fuentes is. Does the skin color your "scienticians" think He presented look like hers? And what color is her hair?



(Pastors, please forgive the racy photograph; it's actually the most demure I could find of this harlot!)

Or did you mean more like Vicente Fox and his wife? What color is HER hair?



I've decided you're right. Jesus' skin and hair color were probably similar to these modern-day Mexicans.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Umm, you are aware that skin pigmentation is CAUSED by solar radiation (rays) and has nothing to do with HEAT do you? Yes the color black attracts heat better than any other color... but it is only because it absorbes light better than any other colour (thats why we see it black, because it absorbs light)! Other colours make light rebounce better, thus they absorb less and warm less fast. But the thing is that the pigmentation of the skin is a little more complex than "basic elemantary knowledge!". The pigmentation is produced by the body as a protection from DAMAGE TO THE SKIN CAUSED BY UV RAYS that penetrate the skin and burns it (that is why we have sunburns when we are out in the sun for too long!), when you use lotion screen you are putting an invisible barrier that will help deflect the sun better, the same way darker skin does! SKIN COLOUR HAS NOTHING to do with protecting from temperature! I never said that dark skin made you less hot (I believe the contrary), just that it keeps your skin from burning real easily like ours that is so easy to sunburn!

So you’re suggesting that God made nigras black so they’d get hot but not burn? A sort of “non-fatal torment”? Hmmmm, I suppose that could be “The Curse of Ham”

Umm, you are aware that skin pigmentation is CAUSED by solar radiation

You are suggesting that if I caught a piccaninny and left it in a dark room, that it would turn out white? I must say it seems doubtful but the servants at Landover have piccaninnies from time to time and I suppose we could do the experiment.

Am I supposed to drink your words and call it truth?

I’m telling you what God says and with faith, you just accept God is Truth.

You don't believe ME just like that,

Of course not, you are Unsaved Trash and know nothing of Salvation and less about God.

(see I do believe dark skin attracts light and heat).

What? Dark skin attracts light and heat? You’re suggesting the radiation sort of “bends" towards it?

They are not from satan! They are just well made for the harsh environment they are in!

I don’t think you have taken in the whole article.

And what about dogs and other animals with black skin on their mussle?

What about animals with black bits? I assume it’s because they are a bit bad. And if anything you said is true, are you suggesting that God made a dog’s nose back so it could “get a bit warm”? My dog’s nose is brown – where are we with that one?

I do not beleive in judging a person by the skin color... how does that make me racist? I never said we should ensure racial purity, just pointed out there ARE differences! But I ACCEPT them! Not shun them? Please believe me I am white, and I accept black people, and I am NOT racist!

Yes, yes, I’m sure you often say, “Some of my friends are black” and I’m sure your black servants all recognize how kind you are to them.

[…] but will be back!

To be Saved, I hope.

[Orelia]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

I am sorry if ever I mentionned "heat" in my first explanation! Its just that I don't know how to explain this with everyone comprehending the essential! I don't know the knowlegde of everyone here and I sometimes realize I might be using complicated terms so I try to smoothe things a little, but I don't always know how to make it simple for everyone, I just try my best! In other words, sorry if ever I confuse anyone!
I have to go now (going back to home town! ), but will be back!

[Orelia]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Son, the bible has all the answers, nothing was added, nothing was missed out.
You are quite aware that black absorbs more heat per square inch than white skin, so what protection is black going to give against heat? I don’t mind those who say they don’t know, I can’t abide those who have no grasp of elementary science.

"Look at my post above, cretin."

No it’s nothing like that there are many choices of animal and only 2 of skin color. Look at your friend the Islamist, Obama – he says he’s black – the media say he’s black but his mother was white. Based upon what this failure of a presidential Demoncrat says, you’re either black or white, and if you ain’t all white, your black So according to you, we should go around measuring skin tone, width of nostrils, thickness of lips, fuzziness of hair, etc to ensure racial purity? You sound racist friend and Landover does not tolerate racism! Unless you’ve forgotten or are a heathen, you will recall Jesus came from God because the Son of God is God You show me in the Bible where anyone was persecuted for being white. If you see the post above and read this one, you will doubtless have the good manners to state that God could never be black. Oh! You were there at the time were you?... No, I thought not. Have you any biblical proof for this at all? No, I thought not. Because of the Constitution and Freedom of Speech, regrettably I cannot prevent you from saying anything, no matter how inane – however when you say, “Let’s just say” (note, I added the apostrophe) do not include me in that.

Anyway, what’s with your name? Orelia? Is that a fungal infection of the gums?

"You are quite aware that black absorbs more heat per square inch than white skin, so what protection is black going to give against heat? I don’t mind those who say they don’t know, I can’t abide those who have no grasp of elementary science."

Umm, you are aware that skin pigmentation is CAUSED by solar radiation (rays) and has nothing to do with HEAT do you? Yes the color black attracts heat better than any other color... but it is only because it absorbes light better than any other colour (thats why we see it black, because it absorbs light)! Other colours make light rebounce better, thus they absorb less and warm less fast. But the thing is that the pigmentation of the skin is a little more complex than "basic elemantary knowledge!". The pigmentation is produced by the body as a protection from DAMAGE TO THE SKIN CAUSED BY UV RAYS that penetrate the skin and burns it (that is why we have sunburns when we are out in the sun for too long!), when you use lotion screen you are putting an invisible barrier that will help deflect the sun better, the same way darker skin does! SKIN COLOUR HAS NOTHING to do with protecting from temperature! I never said that dark skin made you less hot ( I believe the contrary), just that it keeps your skin from burning real easily like ours that is so easy to sunburn!
"I can’t abide those who have no grasp of elementary science." Well you don't seem to grasp it well!

"Look at my post above, cretin."
Am I supposed to drink your words and call it truth? You don't believe ME just like that, so how can I take your word as true and worthy just like that? I need better proof!


"No it’s nothing like that there are many choices of animal and only 2 of skin color." Polar bears have black skin to keep them warmer! Their white fur is very different than that of other animals! It is almost like optic fiber, they have a certain transparency to let through the sunlight, and the dark skin just sucks in whatever feeble light there is too helo them warm up easily! (see I do believe dark skin attracts light and heat ). They are not from satan! They are just well made for the harsh environment they are in!

As for most animals, it is not surprising that white skin tends to dominate as most animals have fur or feathers! No need for extra skin protection from the sun as it already cannot (or has a pretty hard time) reaching their bodies!
And what about dogs and other animals with black skin on their mussle? Are they demons?

"ou’re either black or white, and if you ain’t all white, your black So according to you, we should go around measuring skin tone, width of nostrils, thickness of lips, fuzziness of hair, etc to ensure racial purity? You sound racist friend and Landover does not tolerate racism!"How can I be racist by accepting people from every skin tone?
I do not beleive in judging a person by the skin color... how does that make me racist? I never said we should ensure racial purity, just pointed out there ARE differences! But I ACCEPT them! Not shun them? Please believe me I am white, and I accept black people, and I am NOT racist!

[Aletheides]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Thanks Rev. I think you're the most sane person on this forum.

I've learned that Jesus was not a negro. Though, he wasn't a white man either. His skil color almost reminds me of a Mexican (but of course Jesus wasn't a Mexican).

Thanks for the good debate Rodimer.

Reason: Misspelling Pastor Ezekiel's name
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Friend, instead of trying to see hate on Landover, try to spell the names of Godly Pastors correctly.

This forum is dedicated to Baby Jesus, not to quoting out of context.

YIC

Wide-Open

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

In order to understand the full context of the reply, you do in fact read the quotes above the message, don't you?

Yet you don't respond to the entire response, do you?

"The hair was the easiest - there's a reference in Paul which says it's disgraceful for a man to wear long hair, so it looks pretty sure that people of that period had to have reasonably short hair. The traditional depictions of Jesus with long flowing golden hair are probably inaccurate." Deciding on skin colour was more difficult, though. But the earliest depictions of Jews, which date from the 3rd Century, are - as far as can be determined - dark-skinned.

"We do seem to have a relatively dark skinned Jesus. In contemporary parlance I think the safest thing is to talk about Jesus as 'a man of colour'." This probably means olive-coloured, he says.

Tell me, why would Jesus not have long hair? Do you know anything of the Nazarite Vow? I'm guessing not.

There is no reason to suspect Jesus was not frequently under a vow, in which case He would have been forbidden to cut His hair.

What happens to brown hair when exposed to the desert sun and allowed to grow long? It bleaches. Doesn't make for a blond man, (any more than Britney Spears is blond) but it does mean some of his hair will be lighter in color. There's no evidence that Jesus wore headwraps, so His hair would likely have bleached somewhat. Pictures depict Jesus as having light brown hair, not blond, which would be consistent with long hair bleached by the sun.

What happens to human skin when exposed to sunlight without benefit of sunscreen? It darkens. Big surprise there. Doesn't make one a Negro.

Again, you refuse to acknowledge that you have NO evidence whatsoever, but mere speculation, and that the speculations you present support the assertion that Jesus came in the form of a Semite, not a NEGRO.

Hmm, according to what dipiction - the one closet racists hope is true or the one historical evidence + logic points to ?

It seems you are the closet racist, my friend.

Why do you continue to assert that Jesus took the form of a Negro, despite such an assertion contradicting all of your OWN "evidence"?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

What a bunch of crazy talk. You've got a few screws loose. Throwing bible verses at me isn't evidence. And faith in no way should be used as evidence in a debate like this.

As a True Christian, I am used to and even welcome the vitriol thrown by Unsaved Trash for, to me it shows that the Unsaved Trash have Something against which to fight, and that is God.

Bible verses are the Word of God, and as such are the only evidence admissible, the speculation of mortals is of no consequence. I note that you too have used Bible verses in your argument; where does that leave you? Do you rely on God or not?

The vitriol you use disturbs the logical thinking of the mind, and thus the arguments put by such as you are never sound. Look what you have written; here is a True Christian forum, here is discussion of God and yet, amazingly, you say, “And faith in no way should be used as evidence in a debate like this.” I think my 4 year old granddaughter would laugh at this argument.

Like I said before faith is only required for your belief in God. Faith is not required to believe the BS of another man's words - I believe the correct term for this is "gullible".

The difficulty you have here is that you are not dictating the terms of the Bible or Christianity. It is clear that you know nothing and are trying to move the ground to a position where your godless rhetoric might fool the unwary. Christ said that all we need is Faith. Without a belief in the Words of The Lord, we can have no faith. Thus your statement is shown to be silly.

P.S. Finding hateful comments on this forum was easier than any forum I've ever been on. Period.

Your idea of “hateful” is quite strange. The comments are to put you in a mind to accept Christianity, lock, stock and barrel, every word of the Bible is Ture and directly from God. This faith will put you in a position to reach Salvation, which, in turn, will guarantee admission to Heaven. Are not a few words of wise and helpful rebuke but a small price to pay?

Ironic, how this is supposed to be a forum dedicated to discussions of everything holy.

And so it is. Holiness is not being soft and letting Unsaved Trash run hellbound to the Eternal Pits of Boiling Brimstone; holiness is doing The Lord's Work and saving souls.

[Aletheides]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Pastor Ezekial was kind enough to point out that I said someone "had a few screws loose" and kindly noted my "hateful comments"

I would like to send my deepest apologies and use this intermission to find other hateful comments within this forum, for the good of the community.

Ugh! You've been watching too many Hollywood movies. Everyone knows that Hollywood is run by Commies like Sean Penn and his ex-whore Madonna. Ask yourself - how could those those uncivilized slant-eyes ever planned and executed a successful attack on Pearly Harbor, the biggest military port in Florida? And that's in the Greatest Nation on Earth! No way I'm gonna believe that. It was the Germans, with help from the ever-sinister Pope.

Let us not forget that Jimi Hendrix was a Nigra, and therefore spoke Niglish....

Now, if you WANT to hear "Excuse me, while I kiss 'duh sky'," you will. However, it's clear to anyone who can comprehend Niglish (also known as Ebonics or Black English or Jive) that he is referencing slapping his overstuffed chocolate lips on a fine young white man's pursed pucker.

Read the whole conversation and look at your own comments dumbass.

As in homersexural. A damned queer, which God hates. Ok?

Now why don't you go to the introductions thread and tell us about yourself?

Are you one of these camel lovers?

P.S. Finding hateful comments on this forum was easier than any forum I've ever been on. Period. Ironic, how this is supposed to be a forum dedicated to discussions of everything holy.

[Aletheides]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Is the above really part of your argument that Jesus was black?

In order to understand the full context of the reply, you do in fact read the quotes above the message, don't you?

Again, I don't see why it would be "truer". As you've noted, nobody was there painting a portrait, and the Bible has no description. Therefore . . . you have no idea what is a "truer" description.

Considering the picture was the result of a reconstruction from a 1st century skull from someone of the area, among other things:

"The hair was the easiest - there's a reference in Paul which says it's disgraceful for a man to wear long hair, so it looks pretty sure that people of that period had to have reasonably short hair. The traditional depictions of Jesus with long flowing golden hair are probably inaccurate." Deciding on skin colour was more difficult, though. But the earliest depictions of Jews, which date from the 3rd Century, are - as far as can be determined - dark-skinned.
"We do seem to have a relatively dark skinned Jesus. In contemporary parlance I think the safest thing is to talk about Jesus as 'a man of colour'." This probably means olive-coloured, he says.

Only logic would tell us this depiction is more true than any coming from a painter who didn't know what Jesus looked like.

An interesting point. So, in order for your assertion to be correct (that Jesus was black), you are saying that all Jews in Palestine in the first century AD were Negroes. Yes? And you base this upon their looking, according to your article's "forensic reconstruction", like Semites?

No not quite. If all of the people looked similar to the forensic reconstruction, how could Jesus have looked like a blonde haired blue eyed European? If he did, nobody would have had to point him out, he would have stuck out like a sore thumb.

He was not sufficiently remarkable in appearance for him to stand out as a freak when in a crowd of Jews.

Now we're getting somewhere... What did those people look like at the time....???

Does that mean I look like Jesus?

Hmm, according to what dipiction - the one closet racists hope is true or the one historical evidence + logic points to ?

[Nobar King]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

I think Jesus was whiter than you and didn't wear glasses, brainiac.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

Sure, if you want to get technical about it. Let's just say European for the sake of not having to type that much.

Or for the sake of not having to be accurate since you haven't a "proven" answer to your question. And because southern Italians are quite similar in appearance to Semites, and therefore would not want to paint a Northern European Jesus if they wanted to relate Him to themselves. Oops, huh?

I stand corrected. "Truer" would have been a better choice of a word, since it is hypothetical.

Again, I don't see why it would be "truer". As you've noted, nobody was there painting a portrait, and the Bible has no description. Therefore . . . you have no idea what is a "truer" description.

But to answer this question, we also must remember that Judas had to point out Jesus in order to lead to his arrest. Had Jesus differed so greatly in look from the common people of the time, it would have been easy for those arresting him to spot him out from a crowd, thus not even requiring Judas to sell out Jesus.

An interesting point. So, in order for your assertion to be correct (that Jesus was black), you are saying that all Jews in Palestine in the first century AD were Negroes. Yes? And you base this upon their looking, according to your article's "forensic reconstruction", like Semites?

What a brilliant argument you put forth.

What makes a Negro a Negro? Is it that he comes from Africa? Is it the dark skin? Is it the brown eyes?

I'll let you look up the characteristics of the Negro race. It is a race, and it's neither Semitic nor Caucasian.

At this juncture, it's safe to say Jesus is definitely not a blonde hair, blue eyed white person.

At this juncture, I'd say it's safe to say you have no more idea what Jesus looked like than Mills, and no evidence to fall back upon. In fact, the best you can possibly say is -- if all the historical descriptions are truly discredited, which I do not believe -- that nobody knows what Jesus looked like, except that He was not sufficiently remarkable in appearance for him to stand out as a freak when in a crowd of Jews.

I don't stand out as a freak when in a crowd of Jews. Does that mean I look like Jesus?

Hip hip hooray.

Indeed.

[Deaner]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

But to answer this question, we also must remember that Judas had to point out Jesus in order to lead to his arrest. Had Jesus differed so greatly in look from the common people of the time, it would have been easy for those arresting him to spot him out from a crowd, thus not even requiring Judas to sell out Jesus.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Is the above really part of your argument that Jesus was black?

[Aletheides]

Re: Jesus Was Not a Black Man!

By "white Roman Catholic church" I assume you mean the "olive-skinned, dark-haired, swarthy ITALIAN" Roman Catholic church?

Yes, I thought that's what you meant.

Sure, if you want to get technical about it. Let's just say European for the sake of not having to type that much.

And what makes this a "true image"? That's not a "true image" of Jesus, that's a hypothetical image of a typical 1st Century Jew!! What makes you think God would not stand out from the typical Jew of the time?

I stand corrected. "Truer" would have been a better choice of a word, since it is hypothetical. I think you're also right when it comes to God's son being able to stand out from a crowd. I found an interesting point regarding this:

Conservative Christians generally believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. They accept the statements in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived. That is, Jesus’ conception did not involve male sperm, This would imply that God either:

• Created an living embryo with a unique human DNA in one of Mary’s fallopian tubes.
• Created special DNA which fertilized an ovum produced by Mary’s body.

Thus, Jesus would have had DNA that was either 50% or 100% created uniquely by God. If so, then Jesus could have had any height, hair color, eye color, skin hue, style of nose, etc. He may or may not have resembled a typical Palestinian from 1st Century CE.

What makes you think God would not stand out from the typical Jew of the time?

But to answer this question, we also must remember that Judas had to point out Jesus in order to lead to his arrest. Had Jesus differed so greatly in look from the common people of the time, it would have been easy for those arresting him to spot him out from a crowd, thus not even requiring Judas to sell out Jesus.

Even if Jesus looked EXACTLY like the image your magazine article presents, that would certainly not make Him a Negro, which is what you claim it says.

What makes a Negro a Negro? Is it that he comes from Africa? Is it the dark skin? Is it the brown eyes?

Afros certainly aren't the tell all. "Every Negro has an afro!" No, that's just silly.

At this juncture, it's safe to say Jesus is definitely not a blonde hair, blue eyed white person.

That's the picture I scanned out of my Deluxe Red-Letter Edition KJV and that's the picture hanging on the wall at Landover Sunday School.

God said it.
I believe it.
THAT SETTLES IT.

Score 1 for Ignorance.

Hip hip hooray.