[Mabaet]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

If God gave man free will, and this free will lead us to not believe in God, then why would he damn me to hell for something he has clearly caused?

If you're going to say, "Because he is testing us.". God is Omnipotent. He knows everything. That means before even your life begins, God knows the outcome of your test if your going to succeed or fail.

-- And phhsfft why does he need to create a forever suffer when one does not pass his test. That's total bullshit, he could have just let the sinful not enter heaven. Is that what you call All-Loving? >.<"

[Mary Etheldreda]

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If God gave man free will, and this free will lead us to not believe in God, then why would he damn me to hell for something he has clearly caused?

He's not damning you to Hell. You're choosing to not take his loophole and avoid it. That's your choice. A stupid and painful one, but yours nonetheless.

If you're going to say, "Because he is testing us.". God is Omnipotent. He knows everything. That means before even your life begins, God knows the outcome of your test if your going to succeed or fail.

If I'm going to say, "Why don't you read the Holy Bible or at least do a search around here so you don't waste God's holy bandwidth," would you do so?

-- And phhsfft why does he need to create a forever suffer when one does not pass his test. That's total bullshit, he could have just let the sinful not enter heaven. Is that what you call All-Loving? >.<"

See, if you'd read your Holy Bible, you would know God isn't "All-Loving." That's a 1970's Jesus-Freak kind of belief. We're not hippies here, just honest Bible-believing True Christians™.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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If God gave man free will, and this free will lead us to not believe in God, then why would he damn me to hell for something he has clearly caused?

If you're going to say, "Because he is testing us.". God is Omnipotent. He knows everything. That means before even your life begins, God knows the outcome of your test if your going to succeed or fail.

-- And phhsfft why does he need to create a forever suffer when one does not pass his test. That's total bullshit, he could have just let the sinful not enter heaven. Is that what you call All-Loving? >.<"

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

[steakjohnson]

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Ezekiel, you're a bible droid.

Its sad you people are spending this entire life worrying about the next one.

and the video PROVES NOTHING.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Ezekiel, you're a bible droid.

Its sad you people are spending this entire life worrying about the next one.

and the video PROVES NOTHING.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

[handmaiden]

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I appreciate the reply, though I must say that I do not personally idealize drugs nor do I force the gay deathstyle on anyone either as I'm not gay. And I am a libertarian because I believe in individual freedom and make their own choices rather than having the government decide everything for you. Which is happening more and more these days.

Though the Bible has many things in it, most of the modern amenities that we have today has come from science and technology derived from technology. We wouldn't have computers to write on this forum without it. We wouldn't have cars, or Air conditioning. We've doubled the life expectancy of people through the application of science.

The Bible is wonderful for spiritual guidance, but science definitely has it's place in the world. As most of the things we have and use today is derived from science.

You are a libertarian because you believe all sorts of liberal lies. We don't worry about government deciding things for us, because we allow the Lord to decide things for us. Once we True Conservatives (TM) elect like minded people, then the government will be empowered to run this country according to Biblical standards.

And God in His Word commands us to do a lot more than sit around being spiritual all day. He tells us how we are to live our lives,--public and private-- in the way that is pleasing to Him.

Science spends most of its time trying to prove that God doesn't exist or that the things that He tells us through His Revealed Word in Holy Scripture are not true. The more that you depend on science, the less that you depend on the Lord.


Dependently Yours,

Handmaiden

[jessev]

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Apologies for taking a while to respond to this. Didn't notice the new page. But I did want to comment that Liberalism and Libertarianism are two different things. Granted, there are some similarities, but ultimately, liberalism is based on a social movement for equal rights and opportunities. Which now a day tends to be a bit different than the original goals. Either way, that's just a tangent thought. The problem is that currently, the governement 'does' in fact control a lot of what I and even you can do in this country. It's call 'Rule of Law'. We have a system of laws that we all must uphold to.

And to be frank, no religious ideal should control the government otherwise we'll be back in the same place we were in the late 1600's when people first game to this country (before it was a country). The country was founded on religious freedom because of the persecution of many people going on at the time in England.

And also, just so you know, science is not 'mostly' trying to prove that God doesn't exist because it's not something science can just prove. Christianity is a religious belief. One cannot simply prove a belief like that using science. Where people argue certain points is where science and religion may disagree with certain aspects of the universe.

I can't really say whether science does or does not increase or decrease the reliance on God to explain things. I have no statistical analysis of that offhand. However, the main point of science is to try and find the truth of something by using testable hypotheses that can have repeatable results or at least a great deal of evidence that gives credence to the hypothesis.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Apologies for taking a while to respond to this. Didn't notice the new page. But I did want to comment that Liberalism and Libertarianism are two different things. Granted, there are some similarities, but ultimately, liberalism is based on a social movement for equal rights and opportunities. Which now a day tends to be a bit different than the original goals. Either way, that's just a tangent thought. The problem is that currently, the governement 'does' in fact control a lot of what I and even you can do in this country. It's call 'Rule of Law'. We have a system of laws that we all must uphold to.

And to be frank, no religious ideal should control the government otherwise we'll be back in the same place we were in the late 1600's when people first game to this country (before it was a country). The country was founded on religious freedom because of the persecution of many people going on at the time in England.

And also, just so you know, science is not 'mostly' trying to prove that God doesn't exist because it's not something science can just prove. Christianity is a religious belief. One cannot simply prove a belief like that using science. Where people argue certain points is where science and religion may disagree with certain aspects of the universe.

I can't really say whether science does or does not increase or decrease the reliance on God to explain things. I have no statistical analysis of that offhand. However, the main point of science is to try and find the truth of something by using testable hypotheses that can have repeatable results or at least a great deal of evidence that gives credence to the hypothesis.

Dear Jesus-hater,

Why are you trying to force your "science" on everyone? The First Amendment GUARANTEES my right to a Christian environment, and you are simply trying to ruin it!



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Thinks Design]

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And also, just so you know, science is not 'mostly' trying to prove that God doesn't exist

Dead right!

Creation science and the Design Inference is well on the way to proofing once and for all that the Designer is real.

You only need to look to the Discovery Institute to see all the creation science research going on.

ThinksDesign.

[jessev]

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I'm not honestly a Jesus hater. Though I will probably not change your mind otherwise. I'm not trying to 'force' science on anyone. I'm simply trying to answer replies I've received that are giving characteristics of science that are simply untrue. And the first amendment doesn't give you a right to a 'Christian environment'. It does however make it clear for there to be no established religion by the government and for you to be able to practice your religion freely. You are quite free to have your belief just as I am free to have my own as well, though I know you disagree with it if is anything but the literal words of the Bible. Even though it was not originally written in English. So, you're still going off of a translation of previous versions of the Bible anyways.

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The issue with Creation Science is that it is not a science. Creation by a creator is mostly based in belief, which cannot be tested nor proven through science. If there is direct evidence to lend the idea support that does not require simple belief, I have yet to see it. It you would be willing to provide such, I will certainly take a look. I am not saying that Creation cannot be true, but that it is simply not science

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Creation by a creator is mostly based in belief, which cannot be tested nor proven through science.

If beliefs cannot be tested or proven through science, then what is the point of science? Is it a storytelling game, like D&D?

[jessev]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence. Of course, science has a few slightly different definitions depending on the application it's being used in.

(from the World English Dictionary)
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it
3. any particular branch of this knowledge: the pure and applied sciences
4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner
5. skill or technique
6. archaic knowledge

So science does not generally seek to find out spiritual matters. Though there have been attempts at exploring things like the soul and such. But there has been no capable test method in finding these things out. It would be interesting if there were though.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence.

One can do that outside the lab. For example, two weeks go one of my children developed a terrible croup cough from a chest cold. My neighbor begged me to take him to the hospital as she could hear the cough from the street when she put her garbage out late at night. I know from Holy Scripture that I need no doctor:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord
James 5:14

I didn't want to disturb the good pastors at such a late hour, so I experimented with the evidence I already had at my disposal, God's own Perfect Word. Thusly inspired, I meditated on the Word of God, especially this part:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:12

Because Jesus healed the sick, I knew that my child would be healed as well. In fact, I didn't even worry when his little lips started turning blue. One of my older teen children grabbed the babe from my arms and rushed him to the bathroom where he turned on the hot water and allowed the steam to clear his little throat. You see! God is so faithful! We can understand the world around us because all we need is contained in the Holy Scriptures!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence. Of course, science has a few slightly different definitions depending on the application it's being used in.

(from the World English Dictionary)
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it
3. any particular branch of this knowledge: the pure and applied sciences
4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner
5. skill or technique
6. archaic knowledge

So science does not generally seek to find out spiritual matters. Though there have been attempts at exploring things like the soul and such. But there has been no capable test method in finding these things out. It would be interesting if there were though.

So-called science and logic are constantly being employed by antiChrists as tools to disprove the Bible. What about Darwinian theory, the heliocentric model, carbon dating, the space shuttle, and geometry? All of these have been used to disprove some scripture. So when you advocate science, you are also advocating atheism.

[jessev]

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To Mary: Praying is not a bad thing, certainly. But a doctor certainly isn't a bad person because he or she wants to help other people. Doctors do a great job in helping people survive. They are largely the reason why many of us live to an old age and help us when we need medical attention. Praying for someone's health is good, but it's never a guarantee that someone will live or get better because of a prayer. Many people die for apparently no reason at all. Some who have led good lives. Though I already know that someone will make the claim that they must not have be 'True Christians' or else God would have listened.

Much of this may go on deaf ears, but doctor's are great healers as well. But they are only able to do things within their means and capabilities. And having an understanding of how a particular disease or virus works has helped things like the Bubonic plague and many other illnesses from returning and becoming a problem like various diseases and illnesses tend to be in less-developed regions in the world. Jesus and god may heal. I can't really say yes or no as its not something that can just easily be proven. However, As Jesus healed, people can heal as well. Just by a different means.

To Billy: Perhaps to one extent or the other it does tend to contradict what the Bible appears to speak of. Partially because of the words that were chosen to describe various aspects of the world.

I do have a small question though. I've heard many times that the KJV bible is the 'correct' version, but how do you know things were translated correctly when put into the English language from its native Hebrew and Greek? From things I have read there are many things in the Hebrew and Greek languages originally that have multiple meanings.