[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Just pointing out that rainbows didn't exist for the first 1700 years of Earth's history. God made the first one after the flood 4300 years ago as a sign of his promise to Noah. Just throwing that in,

YiC

Jack

[Rebuko the Clown]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

ITT: Pastor Billy-Reuben completly OWNING a bunch of morans with scientific biblial knowledge!!!

look people, i didnt know much about sciense (i dropped out in the 10th grade) but pastor billy-reubens lectures on CD really helped me. Checked out "God's Amazing Universe: Why the Genesis Account is True" and "Big Bang? Big Dud!" and listened to them and taught me all about astrology.

Trust me, this guy knows more than Steven Hawking or Carl Sagat, because he uses the BIBLE as his source reference and then uses proven math and calculations to show why he is right. And he does so in plain American. Like I said I dropped out in the 10th grade but even I knew what he was talking about.

GO PASTOR BILLY-REUBEN! YES!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Yes, it's millions of miles away.

Sorry, but it's not. The Sun is the biggest in our Solar System, then Jupiter, then Saturn etc. Thanks. (I feel like a teacher for 8 year olds.)

We have our own measurements and observations that completely agree with what God Himself says in His holy word, but I guess you want us to ignore all of that and believe the wild assertions of some random guy on the internet?

Sorry, friend, but I believe I'll stick with the truth.

Umm, he wasn't talking about rainbows with gravity (They don't have gravity, to put it simply), he was talking about how light changes directions through raindrops and 'splits' up into its different wavelengths.

I'm sure Lunafest appreciates you thinking for him (Lord knows he needs all the help he can get in that department ), but if that's what he was talking about, then why did he say that when we were talking about the effect of gravity on light?

Are you keeping up with the conversation, or are you just jumping in on the tail-end of it?

Oh, and incidentally, everything that has mass has gravity. Rainbows are made of water vapor, and water has mass, ergo rainbows have gravity. Lunafest was claiming that the whole earth doesn't have enough gravity to bend light, but a rainbow does.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

We have our own measurements and observations that completely agree with what God Himself says in His holy word, but I guess you want us to ignore all of that and believe the wild assertions of some random guy on the internet?

Sorry, friend, but I believe I'll stick with the truth.


I'm sure Lunafest appreciates you thinking for him (Lord knows he needs all the help he can get in that department ), but if that's what he was talking about, then why did he say that when we were talking about the effect of gravity on light?

Are you keeping up with the conversation, or are you just jumping in on the tail-end of it?

Oh, and incidentally, everything that has mass has gravity. Rainbows are made of water vapor, and water has mass, ergo rainbows have gravity. Lunafest was claiming that the whole earth doesn't have enough gravity to bend light, but a rainbow does.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Oh come on, rain drops in the rainbow BREAK lightrays, they don't BEND light. He CLEARLY stated that in his post.
It's the same as when you're looking at your aquarium with fish in it. When you look it from above with an angle, you see the fish at a different position as where you would see them if you were to look at them from the side.
This is because the water has a different density and light-permeability than air does, so the light gets broken into a different direction once it goes from the surface of the water to air, and the other way around! I don't even have to tell you to look it up on the internet because you can see it every day!
When there's a water sprinker, and you look at it with the sun in your back, then you will see small rainbow effects in the sprinkler's water. DON'T DENY ever seeing that, because you HAVE seen this. There's nothing magical about rainbows, nor is there a pot 'o' gold at the end of it.

Pastor Reuben, I can tell that you're an educated man. But you're intentionally changing facts and let them sound 'correct'. The 10th grade-drop out clown believes you, but has a 10th grader had proper education about the laws of physics, biology and chemistry? You've clearly indoctrinated the man with your nonsense.
Thing is, I just can't put my finger on it as to WHY you would be so manipulative... Is it about power? Money?

Be OPEN to recent discoveries, there's not a whole lot of things in the bible that you can't SEE AND TOUCH every day is there? There are lots of them with science, they can truely enlighten you.

Oh and about micro/macro evolution. Dolphins, whales and killer whales (they're NOT fish, they're mammals), actually still have partial hind legs when they're in the uterus. That's still a trait they kept from when they were still a land/amphibic creature that had hind legs. LOOK IT UP. Or did god make a mistake?
Micro evolution AUTOMATICALLY leads to macro evolution over longer periods of time.
How do you explain the presence of a tail bone in the human body? Or your cecum? (google the function of the cecum to see what it was originally for) Those are, also, just remainders of when we were plant eating, tailed beings (NOT neccecarily 'monkeys').

I do not wish to condemn you or anything, but your stance on rape (raped women should marry their rapists and keep the baby?!) and some of the racial comments said here, really disturb me.

http://www.healthgrades.com/psychiatry-directory/md-maryland/landover

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Oh come on, rain drops in the rainbow [SIZE=4]BREAK [SIZE=2]lightrays, they don't [SIZE=4]BEND [SIZE=2]light. He CLEARLY stated that in his post.
It's the same as when you're looking at your aquarium with fish in it. When you look it from above with an angle, you see the fish at a different position as where you would see them if you were to look at them from the side.
This is because the water has a different density and light-permeability than air does, so the light gets broken into a different direction once it goes from the surface of the water to air, and the other way around! I don't even have to tell you to look it up on the internet because you can see it every day!
When there's a water sprinker, and you look at it with the sun in your back, then you will see small rainbow effects in the sprinkler's water. DON'T DENY ever seeing that, because you HAVE seen this. There's nothing magical about rainbows, nor is there a pot 'o' gold at the end of it.

Right, of course. Everybody knows all of that (except Lunafest, apparently). Everyone here knows how rainbows work. Lunafest was the one claiming that the rainbow effect was caused by gravity.

Pastor Reuben, I can tell that you're an educated man. But you're intentionally changing facts and let them sound 'correct'. The 10th grade-drop out clown believes you, but has a 10th grader had proper education about the laws of physics, biology and chemistry? You've clearly indoctrinated the man with your nonsense.
Thing is, I just can't put my finger on it as to [SIZE=4]WHY [SIZE=2]you would be so manipulative... Is it about power? Money?

I'm just telling the plain truth. Maybe it seems "manipulative" to you because we're chipping away at that false worldview of yours that the secularists have drilled into your head all your life. You might just be on the verge of getting saved, friend. Wouldn't that be great? No more being dead in your sins, but being ALIVE in Jesus instead!

Oh and about micro/macro evolution. Dolphins, whales and killer whales (they're NOT fish, they're mammals), actually still have partial hind legs when they're in the uterus. That's still a trait they kept from when they were still a land/amphibic creature that had hind legs. LOOK IT UP. Or did god make a mistake?

God doesn't make any mistakes. Harmful mutations happen all the time. Dolphins, whales, and hippopotami are all members of the behemoth kind. Dophins and whales lost their hind legs due to harmful genetic mutations.

Micro evolution AUTOMATICALLY leads to macro evolution over longer periods of time.

Please provide evidence of an organism of one kind evolving into an organism of a different kind.

How do you explain the presence of a tail bone in the human body? Or your cecum? (google the function of the cecum to see what it was originally for) Those are, also, just remainders of when we were plant eating, tailed beings (NOT neccecarily 'monkeys').

The coccyx isn't a vestigial part of the anatomy. Tendons from your legs and hips attach to it, so that you can run. It's not where your "monkey tail" used to be.

And yes, humans eat plants as well as meat, and the cecum helps us to digest plants.

What does any of that have to do with evolution?

I do not wish to condemn you or anything, but your stance on rape (raped women should marry their rapists and keep the baby?!) and some of the racial comments said here, really disturb me.

That's not OUR stance on rape. That's GOD'S stance on rape, as written in the Holy Bible (Dt 22:28-29).

Racism isn't tolerated here, friend. If you see a racist post that the moderators have overlooked, we will appreciate it if you would please use the "Report Post" feature. Thanks.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I just want to point out the cecum in specific to you (all). Inside the human body, the cecum has NO function. The reason why a lot of people have to get it removed because of an infection, is because food got stuck in it. It's just a piece of your intestine, but it doesn't do/digest ANYTHING in the human body. The mis-directed food sits there for a while, and the cecum becomes agitated and infected.

Now let's take a look at the anatomy of per say, a rabbit. An animal known to eat only grasses and other vegetables. The cecum of a rabbit is MUCH larger than a human's (both proportionally and not), and it actually fully funcions as a part of the intestine, where the grasses that are high in difficult-to-break-down fibers, are digested. Google it if you don't believe me. I've dissected rabbits, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Conclusion: The cecum in the human body USED TO BE a larger, functioning part of the human body. Due to the fact that humans now ( and have for much, much longer than 6010 years) cook most of their food, and tend to NOT eat fiber-rish grasses, it has shrunk in it's size, and is no longer a functioning part of the human digestive tract.


I could back up every thing I've said in this same way, but that would obviously take up several pages.

Yours in Scientific and VISIBLE facts,

James A.

[beertyah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Obviously the cecum does have a function, otherwise God wouldn't have put it there. That those crazy scientists haven't discovered the function yet does not mean it isn't there.

Also I fail to see what this has to do with the distance between sun and earth.

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you're saying it's the cecum's function to become infected and to be removed? Because that's seriously all it does. And you KNOW that... Come on OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I just want to point out the cecum in specific to you (all). Inside the human body, the cecum has NO function.

Scientists disagree with you.

Just because it's possible to live without something doesn't mean it has no function.

I'm also not sure what any of this has to do with how high the sun is above the ground.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Googling 'cecum function in humans', and copy pasting the URL to me, doesn't mean that scientists dissaprove about anything. I've read the top 3 articles on there, only speculations whether the cecum actually does anything. By the cecum, I actually meant the appendix in specific (English is not my native language, looked it up incorrectly hehe).
Google 'appendix function', and you will find that really isn't used.

I'll get back on topic after this post, got a bit caught up excuse me.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Googling 'cecum function in humans', and copy pasting the URL to me, doesn't mean that scientists dissaprove about anything. I've read the top 3 articles on there, only speculations whether the cecum actually does anything. By the cecum, I actually meant the appendix in specific (English is not my native language, looked it up incorrectly hehe).
Google 'appendix function', and you will find that really isn't used.

I'll get back on topic after this post, got a bit caught up excuse me.

The cecum and the appendix are different parts of the colon. The appendix definitely has a use. It serves as a nursery for the good bacteria that live in our colon and help us digest our food. If you get really sick and your gut bacteria gets flushed out, it is replenished by the bacteria in your appendix. If your appendix has been removed, then you would need to eat a lot of probiotic foods such as yogurt and natural sauerkraut to replenish your gut bacteria.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Lanfeust]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Right, of course. Everybody knows all of that (except Lunafest, apparently). Everyone here knows how rainbows work. Lunafest was the one claiming that the rainbow effect was caused by gravity.


I'm just telling the plain truth. Maybe it seems "manipulative" to you because we're chipping away at that false worldview of yours that the secularists have drilled into your head all your life. You might just be on the verge of getting saved, friend. Wouldn't that be great? No more being dead in your sins, but being ALIVE in Jesus instead!


God doesn't make any mistakes. Harmful mutations happen all the time. Dolphins, whales, and hippopotami are all members of the behemoth kind. Dophins and whales lost their hind legs due to harmful genetic mutations.

Please provide evidence of an organism of one kind evolving into an organism of a different kind.


The coccyx isn't a vestigial part of the anatomy. Tendons from your legs and hips attach to it, so that you can run. It's not where your "monkey tail" used to be.

And yes, humans eat plants as well as meat, and the cecum helps us to digest plants.

What does any of that have to do with evolution?


That's not OUR stance on rape. That's GOD'S stance on rape, as written in the Holy Bible (Dt 22:28-29).

Racism isn't tolerated here, friend. If you see a racist post that the moderators have overlooked, we will appreciate it if you would please use the "Report Post" feature. Thanks.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Simply wanted to make an observation about your claim that we can digest plants, this isn't true, we only eat the specific parts of the plants where they stock their reserve material.

The coccyx is a vestigial organ, you simply don't know what vestigial organ means.

Vestigiality describes homologous characters of organisms that have seemingly lost all or most of their original function in a species through evolution.These are typically in a degenerate, atrophied, or rudimentary condition, and tend to be much more variable than similar parts. Although structures usually called "vestigial" are largely or entirely functionless, a vestigial structure may retain lesser functions or develop minor new ones. However, care must be taken not to apply the label of vestigiality to exaptation, in which a structure originally used for one purpose is modified for a new one. For example, the wings of penguins would not be vestigial, as they have been modified for a substantial new purpose (underwater locomotion), while Darwin pointed out that those of an emu would be, as they have no major function now.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Simply wanted to make an observation about your claim that we can digest plants, this isn't true, we only eat the specific parts of the plants where they stock their reserve material.

The coccyx is a vestigial organ, you simply don't know what vestigial organ means.

Vestigiality describes homologous characters of organisms that have seemingly lost all or most of their original function in a species through evolution.These are typically in a degenerate, atrophied, or rudimentary condition, and tend to be much more variable than similar parts. Although structures usually called "vestigial" are largely or entirely functionless, a vestigial structure may retain lesser functions or develop minor new ones. However, care must be taken not to apply the label of vestigiality to exaptation, in which a structure originally used for one purpose is modified for a new one. For example, the wings of penguins would not be vestigial, as they have been modified for a substantial new purpose (underwater locomotion), while Darwin pointed out that those of an emu would be, as they have no major function now.

You are asserting with no evidence whatsoever that the human coccyx ever did something other than serve as a place for leg and hip tendons to attach.

Likewise, you are asserting with no evidence that the emu ever had an ancestor that used its wings for anything other than helping it run faster, and that a penguin ever had an ancestor that flew rather than swam.

I'm not denying that there are vestigial structures, of course. Harmful mutations (loss of information) happen all the time, but organisms can learn to cope with structures that have fallen into a degenerate condition.

Again, however, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with how high the sun is above the ground.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Didymus Much]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

...The coccyx is a vestigial organ, you simply don't know what vestigial organ means...

So now we have organs made of bone?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

@atheists

Why don't you people bother to look anything up before posting? Even according to the assertions of the "scientists" you revere, prisms don't break light! Here is the simplest explanation I could find (in 0·17 seconds) of how light is refracted (bent).

1. Introduction to How Rainbows Work
2. Light Bends