[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Problems with Evolution

Evolution and God are not mutually exclusive.

Genesis 1:20-25 (emphasis added): And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

Was the incessant struggle for survival required by evil-ution, red in tooth and claw, something that a loving God would have seen as good?

By the way, the fact that the beasts of the earth came a day after the whales would have made it a bit difficult for whales to evolve from land creatures, no?

Just because one believes in scientific theories like the Big Bang and evolution does not mean one cannot believe in God! My father for one is both a Christian and a scientist, born and raised a Baptist in Mississippi. He believes in God and Christ, but does not doubt that evolution is true. I'm just saying it's possible to believe both.

Sure it is, if you compartmentalize.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Problems with Evolution

Read my above post. I explain how the first cells could have come into being. But for evolution to be true doesn't necessarily mean that the first cells appeared by more or less chance. It could be possible that God created the first cells, and they continued to become more advanced through evolution. Evolution and God are not mutually exclusive. As for the beginning of the universe, that is outside the theory of evolution, and I admit I know less about it. But my understanding of the Big Bang is that matter present in the universe today was always present, in a infinitesimal point that expanded outward to create the universe. If you want a better explanation, ask a physicist. But what's not to say that God placed that speck there, and allowed it to expand to form the universe? Just because one believes in scientific theories like the Big Bang and evolution does not mean one cannot believe in God! My father for one is both a Christian and a scientist, born and raised a Baptist in Mississippi. He believes in God and Christ, but does not doubt that evolution is true. I'm just saying it's possible to believe both.

Here's the answer - you're father is a false Christian. He'll be in hell alongside you.

[Hieronymous Bosch]

Re: Problems with Evolution

Creationist Scientists have taken corpolites into account have this subject well in hand. We don't wave a magical wand called "Thermodynamics" around and wish this dung away. Clearly the animal dung was washed away during The Flood when Jesus drowned the gay dinosaurs.

Checkmate atheist.

Lizzy, I hate to tell you this but matter can be created and destroyed. You don't believe me? Then I suggest you talk to Uncle Albert. He has this little formula which I will put here so you can read it: E=mc^2.
Now this is real science, not the bogus evilutionist crap that you have been spouting, that is proven every day in every, clean, safe nuclear reactor in the world. The binding force of Uranium is converted into electromagnetic energy, which heats the containment vessel, which turns the coolant into steam, which drives steam turbines, which powers gigantic generators which eventually powers the computer you type on. As well as many other things that stupid liberal pseudo-scientists love to play with even though they barely understand what makes them work. You better read the 1st law of Thermodynamics again. And while your at it, read the 2nd law which is the one that really gives evilutionists heartburn.

[Hieronymous Bosch]

Re: Problems with Evolution

Ok Lizzy,
Can you explain to me, and the rest of us intellects, why there is variant information in DNA in the first place? Doesn't seem to me to be efficient to have all this wasted space in DNA, kind of reduces the 'fittest' concept. Also, you get people with black skins and white skins and there are going to be problems. Why does 'chance' and 'accident' want all of this diversity? Is chance liberal?
So you believe in 'God' and "Evolution"? Well, well, well you are really covering your basis for how we got here. Also, you don't believe that horses came from rabbits. Great.

[311Sam]

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Sinner's creed: Get as many people doing what you are doing so that away you won't feel as bad about it.

[jessev]

Re: Problems with Evolution

If I may add something here, I'm not quite understanding how the equation E=MC^2 relates to matter being created or destroyed. Conservation of mass and energy works just fine with the equation. All the equation states it that energy and mass are essentially the same thing.

As for nuclear reaction, there are many changes to energy from one form or another but that's not showing that energy 'or' matter is really being created or destroyed.

And as for the laws of thermodynamics, I fail to understand what you're trying to say. The first law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change forms. The second law states "The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium." Understand, that's in an 'isolated system'. No energy is added to the isolated system, so generally, entropy increases. But the entire universe is most certainly not exactly an isolated system. Think of it this way. You take all the different components needed to make bread. You add energy to create the bread by heat energy mostly to cook the bread (Yes, I know there are other venues where energy is needed. Heat is just the most prevalent). That is not an isolated system. The individual items can 'never' make bread without the introduction of energy from somewhere else.

It always takes energy to bring something from a state of entropy to a state of organization. That's not really showing anything in energy or matter being created or destroyed, it's just changing from one form to another. And I can't see how the second law of thermodynamics would give evolutionists 'heartburn'.

Lizzy, I hate to tell you this but matter can be created and destroyed. You don't believe me? Then I suggest you talk to Uncle Albert. He has this little formula which I will put here so you can read it: E=mc^2.
Now this is real science, not the bogus evilutionist crap that you have been spouting, that is proven every day in every, clean, safe nuclear reactor in the world. The binding force of Uranium is converted into electromagnetic energy, which heats the containment vessel, which turns the coolant into steam, which drives steam turbines, which powers gigantic generators which eventually powers the computer you type on. As well as many other things that stupid liberal pseudo-scientists love to play with even though they barely understand what makes them work. You better read the 1st law of Thermodynamics again. And while your at it, read the 2nd law which is the one that really gives evilutionists heartburn.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Problems with Evolution

What does any of this have to do with Jesus?! Stop filling our boards with spam!

[Jed_Cassidy]

Re: Problems with Evolution

What does any of this have to do with Jesus?! Stop filling our boards with spam!

Buh I agree. Kin we stop talkin about the rEvolution stuff ? Its goin over my doggone head. Maybe can we talk about farm stuff or Jesus stuff instid? Anybody with me?

[jessev]

Re: Problems with Evolution

What does any of this have to do with Jesus?! Stop filling our boards with spam!

I suppose directly, it doesn't. I was simply trying to help answer Hieronymous Bosch's questions and gain a better understanding of the conversations.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Problems with Evolution

I suppose directly, it doesn't. I was simply trying to help answer Hieronymous Bosch's questions and gain a better understanding of the conversations.

These conversations are about the Bible and how it explains the creation of the world and the life it supports.

Your science fiction babble doesn't contribute to the dialog.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Problems with Evolution

These conversations are about the Bible and how it explains the creation of the world and the life it supports.

Your science fiction babble doesn't contribute to the dialog.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

Well, she's just a girl, so...

[linkinprk155]

Re: Problems with Evolution

evolution happened. we did not come from "monkeys" we came from a type of species before the homo sapien. evolution helps us understand how we and the world works, if an animal does not need a body part or uses one part more then previously used then eventually that are would become stronger or disapear. theirs been countless of experiments and saying its false is ignorant. btw whoever said science isnt true. science is based of e=mc which is basically that they dont consider it true if it doesnt prove to be true.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Problems with Evolution

evolution happened. we did not come from "monkeys" we came from a type of species before the homo sapien. evolution helps us understand how we and the world works, if an animal does not need a body part or uses one part more then previously used then eventually that are would become stronger or disapear. theirs been countless of experiments and saying its false is ignorant. btw whoever said science isnt true. science is based of e=mc which is basically that they dont consider it true if it doesnt prove to be true.

Wow, you sure know a lot. What kind of animals did we come from? What kind of animal did they come from?

"science is based of e=mc " Really? Wow, and to think I heard that was called the "Theory of Relatively". Some guy (he was a german, had wild hair, probably a nazi, you know how They are) I knew when I was a kid used to talk about it at school. I knew I should never of listened to him.

Tell me more!

Can you read, speak and write multiple languages? I bet you can!

[John Scopes]

Re: Problems with Evolution

Wow, you sure know a lot. What kind of animals did we come from? What kind of animal did they come from?

"science is based of e=mc " Really? Wow, and to think I heard that was called the "Theory of Relatively". Some guy (he was a german, had wild hair, probably a nazi, you know how They are) I knew when I was a kid used to talk about it at school. I knew I should never of listened to him.

Tell me more!

Can you read, speak and write multiple languages? I bet you can!

Actually we started with a completely random combining of amino acids over millions of years in the earliest history of this planet. That chance combination resulted in we call life.

As natural evolution progressed, that original combination evolved into primitive single celled organisms. Those organisms in the oceans evolved into more complex life forms. Those life forms eventually evolved into something that could live on land.

Those early creatures naturally evolved into ever more sophisticated forms to eventually result into homo sapiens (human beings).

It is of course debatable which of these homo sapiens have actually evolved, and which are confused as to the reality of the universe. As a scientists it is merely my place to observe, catalog, and wonder as to the possibilities.

[tigepenala]

Re: Problems with Evolution

I still have yet to read why scientists haven't even been able to create one single cell. Can you explain that?