Old universe, young earth?

[SCAMinistries]

What are your thoughts on the matter? I believe that earth is young, around 6,000 years, as the Bible shows, however, evidence points that the universe could be older. I recently read the book I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist written by Norman L. Geisler and he had an interesting view on the creation of the earth and the universe, while still staying within what God says in the Bible.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Old universe, young earth?

What are your thoughts on the matter? I believe that earth is young, around 6,000 years, as the Bible shows, however, evidence points that the universe could be older. I recently read the book I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist written by Norman L. Geisler and he had an interesting view on the creation of the earth and the universe, while still staying within what God says in the Bible.

What "evidence"? The Bible clearly states the Universe started with the Earth.

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

How could the universe be older than the earth when they came into existence at the same time?

[SCAMinistries]

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What "evidence"? The Bible clearly states the Universe started with the Earth.



How could the universe be older than the earth when they came into existence at the same time?

Well, its much more in-depth than that, and I'm not saying that I believe that. I'm not sure on the details of creation, because the evidence leads you in two completely different directions. However, I find that the creation is not important for salvation. As long as you are saved, and you believe in God, that is all that matters.

[Talitha]

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Well, its much more in-depth than that, and I'm not saying that I believe that. I'm not sure on the details of creation, because the evidence leads you in two completely different directions. However, I find that the creation is not important for salvation. As long as you are saved, and you believe in God, that is all that matters.

What makes you believe that you are Saved?
Why do you need "details" for Creation? Is not The Bible good enough for you?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Well, its much more in-depth than that, and I'm not saying that I believe that. I'm not sure on the details of creation, because the evidence leads you in two completely different directions. However, I find that the creation is not important for salvation. As long as you are saved, and you believe in God, that is all that matters.

Son, God hates those who sow seeds of dissent. The only "evidence" that matters is God's Holy Word. According to that evidence, the earth is 6,010 years old.
It sounds to me like you're going to some liberal false Christian church where they allow your mind to wander off Scripture. God says that it's a waste of time to think for yourself.

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? - Matthew 6:25

[SCAMinistries]

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What makes you believe that you are Saved?
Why do you need "details" for Creation? Is not The Bible good enough for you?

Well, I've accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I've asked for forgiveness, and I've been baptized. And Creation has always amazed me, and since I do alot of debating on behalf of Christianity, I often debate creation. Atheists look for evidence, and I give them the best that I can. While the Bible is good enough for me, its not good enough for those who are not saved.

[WWJDnow]

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Atheists look for evidence, and I give them the best that I can. While the Bible is good enough for me, its not good enough for those who are not saved.

God told us how the universe was created in Genesis, and the Bible tells us that we are not to add to God's word:


Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6 (see also Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, 1 Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 22:18-19).
If you were a Christian, you would already know this. Ergo, you are not a Christian.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Well, I've accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I've asked for forgiveness, and I've been baptized.

That's all well and good, but did you REPENT of your sins, and did you STOP SINNING, before you asked for forgiveness?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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However, I find that the creation is not important for salvation. As long as you are saved, and you believe in God, that is all that matters.

So, as long as you are "saved", which you claim to be, and you believe in God, which you claim to do, it's OK to decide that you can ignore the Bible, the book which tells you who God is and what you must do to be Saved.

Is that about right?

[Mars Survivor]

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How could the universe be older than the earth when they came into existence at the same time?

The Universe is 13.7 Billions years old, with the Earth just being 4.5 Billion years old.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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The Universe is 13.7 Billions years old, with the Earth just being 4.5 Billion years old.

Are you having fun, just running around spewing your lies?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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The Universe is 13.7 Billions years old, with the Earth just being 4.5 Billion years old.

Filthy liar.

[Jedediah]

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The Universe is 13.7 Billions years old, with the Earth just being 4.5 Billion years old.

Where's your evidence? Let me guess. You read it in a book.

[Mars Survivor]

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Are you having fun, just running around spewing your lies?

We aren't lying. We get our evidence from Math, Science, Geology.

Filthy liar.

You've sent your video. Now, let me give you our video.

You read it in a book.

Look who's talking...

Where's your evidence? Let me guess.

Anyway, we understand the age of the Earth and the Universe by experiments and observations. Science replaces private prejudice with publicly verifiable evidence. We understand the earths age from Radiometric dating of rocks from the Earth and solar system. We understand the age of the universe because of the cosmological microwave background radiation when the moment all the light in the universe was suddenly liberated. We can use it to measure the age of the universe, with the expansion of it, together with understand how long it takes for space to increase the wavelength of the photons, hydrogen. There's a lot of math and physics involved - none of it is guesswork - after all the observations and experiments are completed, and the data is collected we can calculate it.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Anyway, we understand the age of the Earth and the Universe by experiments and observations.

Wrong. No one was there to observe the birth of the earth. You guess the age of the earth and the universe by assuming Darwin's fantasies are somehow reality, an assumption he denied on his deathbed.

Science replaces private prejudice with publicly verifiable evidence.

Wrong. Scientists are fallible humans who are inspired by funding and job security.

We understand the earths age from Radiometric dating of rocks from the Earth and solar system. We understand the age of the universe because of the cosmological microwave background radiation when the moment all the light in the universe was suddenly liberated. We can use it to measure the age of the universe, with the expansion of it, together with understand how long it takes for space to increase the wavelength of the photons, hydrogen. There's a lot of math and physics involved - none of it is guesswork - after all the observations and experiments are completed, and the data is collected we can calculate it.

These things have all been debunked.