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Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

The tiny dot would also have to know how to make gravity to make such a balance even possible (gravity is a lie, of course, but the atheists need it for their cosmological theories). How would the dot know that?

It wouldn't. If I have a drawer full of red socks and black socks all mixed together and someone blindfolds me and asks me to pick out two socks of the same color the most amount of socks I need to grab is three. I don't need to know anything about the total number of socks, the relative densities, how one feels over the other or any other technical information.

Similarly, a dot capable of putting stars and planets wherever it pleases needs no knowledge of anything. With an infinite number of stars and planets some are going to end up ok. If intelligent beings are then created afterwards to live on those planets, they would have no way of knowing what happened unless the dot commissioned the writing of a book telling them.

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

I'm not sure why this even matters. Let us say for argument that a tiny dot placed uncountable number of planets and stars in random locations and billions of them crashed into each other getting destroyed. Then what exists now would be all the ones that by chance were tossed into the "delicately" balanced positions.

The tiny dot would also have to know how to make gravity to make such a balance even possible (gravity is a lie, of course, but the atheists need it for their cosmological theories). How would the dot know that?

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Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

No, it wouldn't, as a slight displacement would send the planets and stars crashing into one another. We see a very delicate balance in our universe. It is preposterous to assert that a tiny dot would know how to do this.

I'm not sure why this even matters. Let us say for argument that a tiny dot placed uncountable number of planets and stars in random locations and billions of them crashed into each other getting destroyed. Then what exists now would be all the ones that by chance were tossed into the "delicately" balanced positions.

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Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Atoms don't know how old the earth is. Instead they guess at how old the earth is based on the age of the oldest atom.

By "they" I mean people who use isotope dating to estimate the age of the earth, and not the atoms themselves. The antecedent in that sentence is missing.

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Atoms don't know how old the earth is. Instead they guess at how old the earth is based on the age of the oldest atom.

But how do they know the age of the atom? Only God knows that!

How would a dot know where to put the stars and planets? It doesn't matter. Anyplace you put them would be "correct".

No, it wouldn't, as a slight displacement would send the planets and stars crashing into one another. We see a very delicate balance in our universe. It is preposterous to assert that a tiny dot would know how to do this.

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Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

You're making the assumption that the thought processes of an atheist work as though the atheist were a rational being. The point is, he is not. He lets some unstable, radioactive atoms tell him how old the earth is, instead of The God Of The Bible. How rational is that? How could an atom know how old the earth is? It's just a piece of matter. Likewise, he thinks the universe came from a tiny dot, while God states very clearly that it was Him who created the universe. Ever seen a tiny dot creating a universe? How would the dot know where to put the stars and the planets? It's just a dot, for God's sake!

Atheists commit sin because they are either demons themselves, or they are being possessed by demons.

Atoms don't know how old the earth is. Instead they guess at how old the earth is based on the age of the oldest atom.

How would a dot know where to put the stars and planets? It doesn't matter. Anyplace you put them would be "correct".

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Whether they are evil or just enjoy sin, those calculations will go into making a wager.

You're making the assumption that the thought processes of an atheist work as though the atheist were a rational being. The point is, he is not. He lets some unstable, radioactive atoms tell him how old the earth is, instead of The God Of The Bible. How rational is that? How could an atom know how old the earth is? It's just a piece of matter. Likewise, he thinks the universe came from a tiny dot, while God states very clearly that it was Him who created the universe. Ever seen a tiny dot creating a universe? How would the dot know where to put the stars and the planets? It's just a dot, for God's sake!

Atheists commit sin because they are either demons themselves, or they are being possessed by demons.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Whether they are evil or just enjoy sin, those calculations will go into making a wager.

Why? Evil is inherently self destructive. You are talking about someone, like and Atheist, who chooses to go against God. Even Atheists know God is all powerful (though they don't admit it) Only somone out to hurt themselves would do that.

[AimeeD]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

As I was once told, jokingly, "You can beat anybody with a 2x4 or a nice, shiny crowbar. Beat some bloody sense into 'em."

[GOD=life]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Whether they are evil or just enjoy sin, those calculations will go into making a wager.

Wouldn't you rather enjoy millions of years of pure happiness in exchange for a couple decades of misery on the earthly disc?

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Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Simple, they are evil!

Whether they are evil or just enjoy sin, those calculations will go into making a wager.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

If they don't derive some enjoyment from what we consider "sinning", what would be the point of them doing it?

Simple, they are evil!

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

So you coincide Brother True Disciple's point that human's are built by God to worship God?

Not quite. Just that the bible says humans are built by God to worship God.

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

If you consider sinning to be "lots of fun," then why, sir, do you call yourself a Christian?

You were speaking of a hypothetical wager with an atheist. I was just making a guess as to the calculations that would go on in the atheist's mind. If they don't derive some enjoyment from what we consider "sinning", what would be the point of them doing it?

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Patron saints are entities of catholicism. A saint is a christian entity. Atheists cannot have saints of any kind.

They don't call them saints (they most often speak of "Great Scientific Minds" or something), but they worship them all the same.

So his wager would be between sinning on earth (having lots of fun while alive) and being punished for eternity vs not sinning on earth and being in heaven for eternity.

If you consider sinning to be "lots of fun," then why, sir, do you call yourself a Christian?

Psalm 14.1: "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

This is one of my favorites!

Actually, it wouldn't be stupid, it would be quite incredible if a computer would do something that it was not programmed to do.

It would be incredible, but it would still be stupid to deny something so obvious.