[BelieverInGod]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

so you are saying that the entire solar system tilts at the same time as the Earth? sounds far fetched to me.
still why do you think so God created so many invisible to the naked eye galaxies and which of those passages from Genesis is the correct one?

Yes because the "solar system" is part of the firmament.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

so you are saying that the entire solar system tilts at the same time as the Earth?

There is no solar system. There is a disc, a firmament and the Sun, stars etc. that are in the firmament.

still why do you think so God created so many invisible to the naked eye galaxies

Why would he not?

and which of those passages from Genesis is the correct one?

All of them are correct.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

so despite being able to rotate and orbit separately the solar system is actually rigid it all makes beautiful sense. i don't need a citation it is from the bible, saying it is not a real document because it disagrees with you is like telling a police officer his search warrant is fake because you don't want him to see what is in your house.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

Richard Barrans Jr., Ph.D.
================================================== ==========
Three arguments come to mind. All of these date back to Greek times or
earlier.

1. During lunar eclipses, the projected shadow of the earth on the moon is
always round. If the earth were flat, then this projection will not always
be circular (it could degenerate to a line!). But this is never observed,
regardless of the time of the lunar eclipse. Aristotle (384-322 BCE) wrote
about this. The third point, below, is also credited to Aristotle.

2. Eratosthanes (276-195(?) BCE) did a famous experiment on measuring the
angle of the sun at noon in Alexandria, Egypt, and in Syrene. Finding the
difference in the angles and knowing the distance between the two points,
the circumference can be calculated. He calculated the circumference in
stadia, which we do not know the conversion to our present day measure.

3. If you travel north or south a signigicant distance, you will see a
different set of stars at night. This will not happen on a flat surface.

Introductory astronomy texts deal with this topic. A good reference is
George Abell _Exploration of the Universe_


complete with citation

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

so despite contradicting each other they are all right? please elaborate.

the idea of a firmament is ridiculous, how do planets and the sun orbit the Earth and rotate separately, as well as this how can Pluto's orbit take it inside Neptune's? Where do the two asteroid belts come in to your idea or do you deny their existence and how do you explain away the fact that the stars change at night and this is not possible on a flat planet

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

and why does BelieverInGod believe there is a solar system when you deny there is one?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

Richard Barrans Jr., Ph.D.
================================================== ==========
Three arguments come to mind. All of these date back to Greek times or
earlier.

1. During lunar eclipses, the projected shadow of the earth on the moon is
always round. If the earth were flat, then this projection will not always
be circular (it could degenerate to a line!). But this is never observed,
regardless of the time of the lunar eclipse. Aristotle (384-322 BCE) wrote
about this. The third point, below, is also credited to Aristotle.

2. Eratosthanes (276-195(?) BCE) did a famous experiment on measuring the
angle of the sun at noon in Alexandria, Egypt, and in Syrene. Finding the
difference in the angles and knowing the distance between the two points,
the circumference can be calculated. He calculated the circumference in
stadia, which we do not know the conversion to our present day measure.

3. If you travel north or south a signigicant distance, you will see a
different set of stars at night. This will not happen on a flat surface.

Introductory astronomy texts deal with this topic. A good reference is
George Abell _Exploration of the Universe_


complete with citation

God, God, and God. What part of God can do whatever he wants with his creation do you not understand.

As for the citation, I was just talking about the gobbly-gook you typed up there. How do I know it's real? How do I know you didn't just type it up in Word using webdings? You're making claims that the KJV is wrong and then get bent all out of shape because I ask for a citation?

Oh, and why would I take what some heathen butt-pirate greek said over what God tells us in his own book?

Have you not read what the Godly men have posted on this thread? BIBLICAL PROOF THAT THE WORLD IS FLAT! If you deny this, then you deny His word, which means you deny God and will burn in Hell.

Ok Mr I-Need-Proof, explain this

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Proverbs 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Daniel 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Pretty overwhelming I would say that the earth is flat. What do you have, some genuined satellite photos like those genuine dinosaur bones.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=462511&postcount=13

BTW, see that ^^^ that's a citation. Not very hard to add.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

In the same way you doubt that those words are real and think I wrote them on word, (which I really wouldn't need to do as I can type straight into this forum (webdings is an illegible font it would not affect anything)) I don't accept that the Bible is word of some higher being when it is historical fact that it was put together by the Romans from the Jews original writings, and when science has proved it wrong with actions not words.
You can not simply claim that God does what he wants, if there were no rules applying to the way matter behaves then if I wanted to I could appear next to you at this moment in time or put my arm through walls. To say that there are rules but they only apply when they prove you right is ridiculous and childish. if what you believed was so obviously true then why are you in such a small minority and why is it so difficult for you to prove what you believe without simply saying one book proves it. "God works in mysterious ways" is the worst cop out in history, you might as well proclaim that anything that proves you wrong is God pissing around for shits and giggles. What you are saying simply does not make sense. The amount of effort that would have to go into faking the Earth being round is so big there is absolutely nothing that could make it worthwhile. Even Muslims who believe in their religion so strongly that they are willing to blow themselves up for it do not refuse to believe simple physics.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

"God works in mysterious ways" is the worst cop out in history

Well, a lot of what He does is no mystery at all for those who bother to read His Holy Bible!

you might as well proclaim that anything that proves you wrong

Nothing proves us wrong and the Bible proves us right. Why are you so narrow minded that you can not see that?

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

call me narrow minded if you like but I prefer to believe physical evidence over the writings of several generations of people wishing to exert power over people and knowing superstition is the best way to do it. Have you never wondered why the Pope sits on a a golden throne or the Archbishop of Canterbury lives in a mansion (don't say they are not true Christians because your version of the Bible comes from the Church of England)

Also I would like to draw your attention to this article( it is not proclaiming to disprove God or any of your theories it is simply something that you should read.)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/04/13/satan-the-fall-good-evil-abel-eating-meat

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

and why does BelieverInGod believe there is a solar system when you deny there is one?

I said "solar system", notice the quotes.

Genesis 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Please in the name of Jesus, tell me that you are not a product of the public school education system. Has it become this bad?

In the same way you doubt that those words are real and think I wrote them on word, (which I really wouldn't need to do as I can type straight into this forum (webdings is an illegible font it would not affect anything))

Webdings seem to work fine for me. I'm just wondering why you're so hostile against showing us where you copied it from. Obviously you know that it's a hate site and that we will dismiss it as such.

I don't accept that the Bible is word of some higher being when it is historical fact that it was put together by the Romans from the Jews original writings, and when science has proved it wrong with actions not words.

Yet older texts that are found agree with us. Funny that. As for science, what has it proved? You've just put your faith in a bunch of guys because they wear white coats and talk in big words rather than in the One True Living God.

You can not simply claim that God does what he wants, if there were no rules applying to the way matter behaves then if I wanted to I could appear next to you at this moment in time or put my arm through walls.

Yeah, God can do pretty much anything He wants. That's the whole Omnipotent thing. I know it's a big word, go look it up. You're not Omnipotent, you cannot appear beside me.

To say that there are rules but they only apply when they prove you right is ridiculous and childish.

Rules I have to abide by, yes. God, again, Omnipotent.

if what you believed was so obviously true then why are you in such a small minority and why is it so difficult for you to prove what you believe without simply saying one book proves it. "God works in mysterious ways" is the worst cop out in history, you might as well proclaim that anything that proves you wrong is God pissing around for shits and giggles.

I don't know, maybe He is. I don't know the mind of God. As for us being in a minority, we were already told that it would be that way.

John 15
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

What you are saying simply does not make sense. The amount of effort that would have to go into faking the Earth being round is so big there is absolutely nothing that could make it worthwhile. Even Muslims who believe in their religion so strongly that they are willing to blow themselves up for it do not refuse to believe simple physics.

Really, mooslimbs believe the world is a ball do they? You may want to read this

http://khalas.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/a-flat-earth-the-islamic-perspective/

I don't care whether or not you think it makes sense, you're just another God-mocker here to make fun of us and tease us. You will go away tomorrow when your parents make you go back to school. They care that much about you don't they? I mean they don't care if you burn for eternity in hell, so perhaps they don't care if you go to public daycare.

call me narrow minded if you like but I prefer to believe physical evidence over the writings of several generations of people wishing to exert power over people and knowing superstition is the best way to do it. Have you never wondered why the Pope sits on a a golden throne or the Archbishop of Canterbury lives in a mansion (don't say they are not true Christians because your version of the Bible comes from the Church of England)

Also I would like to draw your attention to this article( it is not proclaiming to disprove God or any of your theories it is simply something that you should read.)

What physical evidence? You have been to space? You have held the world in your hands? Show me this evidence you claim to have. The Pope and Archbishop are false prophets hauling their followers to hell. Their father is Satan! They are not True Christians whether you want to admit that or not!

Brother Cranky has the link, I'll look for it.

Edit:
A list of false religions

The Anglican Church Exposed!

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

I am aware you said solar system but Cranky Old Man said there is no solar system. You should read every post not just mine.

That passage proves absolutely nothing.

Your technological ignorance astounds me, webdings is a font, what font I type in does not affect the factual accuracy of my statements. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/gen99427.htm
here you go it is not a hater website.

Just because it is old does not make it right, the Ancient Egyptians believed in Osiris and the Mayans believed in sacrifices, does the Egyptians being older make them right?

Omnipotence is ridiculous, the simple fact that you can not explain how he is omnipotent proves this.

Just like the Jews were told that the land of Israel is theirs and the Aztecs that the sun would die if they didn't cut out peoples hearts. If other people's beliefs are wrong why are yours right. When you understand why you dismiss other religions you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Shias and Sunnis disagree and it is spelt Muslim.

I am not in school, I am an adult with degrees in both history and Politics from Oxford. You tell me why anyone would go to such an effort to cover up the Earth's true shape. You too should read this article

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99427.htm

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

your bible comes from the anglican church, so by your own words they must be the true religion.
I'm guessing you didn't read this:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99427.htm

This website is a hoax you are being made fools of.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

I am aware you said solar system but Cranky Old Man said there is no solar system. You should read every post not just mine.

Do you not know what "" means? I was using your term. I agree with Brother Cranky, there is no solar system, that's why I said "Solar System". You really have degrees? Wow, what school because I really want my boys to avoid that one.

That passage proves absolutely nothing.

It shows how God made the firmament, it shows what the Bible says about a "solar system".

Your technological ignorance astounds me, webdings is a font, what font I type in does not affect the factual accuracy of my statements. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/gen99427.htm
here you go it is not a hater website.

Was that so hard? It's like pulling teeth with you. Actually, it is that hard, I'm not seeing any of your gobbly-gook on there. It's just a blurb by some scientist saying the earth is round. We already know what scientists say, we also know they're lying.

Just because it is old does not make it right, the Ancient Egyptians believed in Osiris and the Mayans believed in sacrifices, does the Egyptians being older make them right?

You said the Romans made up the Bible, I said that older texts than the Romans agree with the KJV, now your saying it doesn't matter because there were other old religions?

Omnipotence is ridiculous, the simple fact that you can not explain how he is omnipotent proves this.

He's God, why is that so hard for you to understand. He created the earth, he created the "universe" (Oh right, you don't understand quote terms)..... He created everything we see. He created all of the natural laws, therefore he can do whatever he wants.

Just like the Jews were told that the land of Israel is theirs and the Aztecs that the sun would die if they didn't cut out peoples hearts. If other people's beliefs are wrong why are yours right. When you understand why you dismiss other religions you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Are you going to claim this quote as your own? Because I know it's plagiarized. Huh, maybe that's how you got through school.

Shias and Sunnis disagree and it is spelt Muslim.

I am not in school, I am an adult with degrees in both history and Politics from Oxford. You tell me why anyone would go to such an effort to cover up the Earth's true shape. You too should read this article
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/gen99427.htm

Yep and I'm God incarnate! How dare you question me

Seriously, if that's what Oxford is putting out these days, either you're a retarded member of the royal family, or you lied/plagiarized your way through.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

your bible comes from the anglican church, so by your own words they must be the true religion.
I'm guessing you didn't read this:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99427.htm

This website is a hoax you are being made fools of.

You're the one linking to newton.dep.anl.gov and saying it's a hoax (which we agree on), so how is it we're the ones being made fools of?