[Basilissa]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

And basilissa. Read the name of this subforum. These thread are trying to prove made up fiction as fact, and in every case it is completely disproven.
Do you not believe math is real? Do you not believe that when water is chilled beyond 32 degrees fahrenheit that it will not turn into ice?

Not the best example The freezing temperature of water is not constant, it actually varies. For example, at high altitudes, water freezes at higher temperatures (while other liquids at high altitudes became solids at lower temperatures - water has messed up physical properties).

[BelieverInGod]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

So what you are saying is that you will keep listing me things to read which are based on pure thought with no supporting or confirmed evidence and not read the post I put that the entirity of this topic is about.

And basilissa. Read the name of this subforum. These thread are trying to prove made up fiction as fact, and in every case it is completely disproven.

The Bible has been disproven? When did that happen?

Do you not believe math is real? Do you not believe that when water is chilled beyond 32 degrees fahrenheit that it will not turn into ice? Is water not a conductor of electricity?
Why avoid these proven notions.

Actually, water is not a conductor of electricity. You should have learned that in middle school science.

So, once again, you're proving that you put faith into "science" which you don't understand.

I mean come on you can't really think the earth is flat after man has been sent into space, we have space stations that actively capture sunset to sunrise video. I'm done if the only argument you can make now is everything in the bible is real.

Oh, who are we going to believe, someone who doesn't even have a basic grasp on science, or THE CREATOR OF THE WORLD HIMSELF! Decisions, decisions

[BelieverInGod]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to besides the fact that electromagnetic waves and many other particles in these spectrums that pass through such tested vacuum are always present. These do not allow any type of true vacuums to possess absolutely no particles. Matter is only changeable, not creatable/destroyable.

Ah, so anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

See, that's the problem with science. Some idiot, like yourself, reads something dumbed down for the public and take it as "gospel truth". Now if you had any intelligence at all, that dumbed down article would send you on the quest for research. Then, as you read the reasearch, and look at the findings, you'll find more research, and after doing this for a month or so, you'll realize that in reality, all they're doing is guessing and basing things on mathematical models that have never been viewed.

But hey, you keep right up with your delusions. You're proving your case quite well

1st Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

So what you are saying is that you will keep listing me things to read which are based on pure thought with no supporting or confirmed evidence and not read the post I put that the entirity of this topic is about.

And basilissa. Read the name of this subforum. These thread are trying to prove made up fiction as fact, and in every case it is completely disproven.
Do you not believe math is real? Do you not believe that when water is chilled beyond 32 degrees fahrenheit that it will not turn into ice? Is water not a conductor of electricity?
Why avoid these proven notions.

I mean come on you can't really think the earth is flat after man has been sent into space, we have space stations that actively capture sunset to sunrise video. I'm done if the only argument you can make now is everything in the bible is real.

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

...thousands of people were making predictions by the day prophet or not.

...and those thousands were false, those predictions did not come true! The predictions about Jesus did come true!! If the Christian prophets are true, and they are, it's better than an eye witness account because these men of God can tell you what will happen before it does!!!


Also, you should read this http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp



or check it out onsite here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...067#post985067


I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you! Romans 1:22

[Basilissa]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

Blah, blah, blah... some jargon that nobody understands... blah.

You know, I've tried to talk to you at a lever that you seem to understand, but it isn't working. Here is the truth - we don't care about science, because science is wrong in the eyes of God:

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called

You have certainly been babbling a lot.

1 Corinthians 1:19-23 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:27-31 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Basically, you are wasting your time with all that scientific evolution crap. Fossils have been put in the earth to confuse us. The only way to avoid confusion is through Jesus Christ.

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

If you ignore the 100% of my post I'll ignore 100% of yours.

But I am a nice forgiving fellow, and your probability story is nice but thousands of people were making predictions by the day prophet or not.

It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

Where did the jump in math go from 60 prophecies with 270 requirements...a number topping out to around 1 in 16,200. While thousands of people are being born into this period where all these prophecies are being made, from 700 BCE to whenever they would like to declare a prophet.

So while making vague predictions like a phone psychic, millions of people eager to be manipulated by easy explanations of processes currently unknown to them, a messiah was announced and assumed the position of declarer of every truth mankind must follow for the remainder of all time.

Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?

I suppose it would be easy if the person, who blindfolded that man, guided the marked silver dollar into his hand.

Now, I know you never read my original post answering the questions in this thread. Please review them and tell me where you think all the problems are at.

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

Yes but from what you are saying, there could be many other eternal entities that can exist outside the boundaries of nature, with absolutely no example of an influence or origin.

Make sense?

If you ignore the 100% accuracy of Bible prophecy which is better than any eye witness.

2 Peter 1:19

Here's some copy 'n pasta for you, but if you do take the time to read it you will see for yourself that choosing to believe in the word of God is like building your house on the rock!


What are the odds surrounding Jesus Christ? Who was this child really?


Recently I purchased a book entitled What the Odds Are. It's an A-Z collection of the odds on "everything you ever hoped or feared could happen".

For instance, did you know that the odds of your being injured by a lightning strike on any given day are only 1 in 250 million, but over the average lifetime are 1 in 9,100? In contrast, the odds that the average citizen of Washington, D.C. will get "plugged, stabbed, poisoned, or bludgeoned to death" in the course of a year are only 1 in 1,681!

One in 10 Americans read the Bible daily. One in two eat out somewhere every single day of the week--1 in 20 at McDonald's. In Sweden, 40 of every one hundred persons are senior citizens; in Fiji, only 1 in 50. And here's one that really amazed me: 1 in every 24 Americans has membership in the National Geographic Society. I guess it figures, though, because I noticed recently that a staggering 9,975,558 average copies of the National Geographic magazine are printed by the Society every month (including those intended for international distribution).

If you still happen to be unconvinced that the baby born in Bethlehem 2000 years ago was anything more than just an ordinary human baby, let me challenge you with a few of “the odds” in that regard.

To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?

And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?

Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!

Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.

Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ). Only coincidence?

A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?

One March several years ago I received a paper from United States Senate Chaplain Richard Halverson. In it he wrote:

"The fact is, the birth, crucifixion, and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ are celebrated worldwide by folk of every race, language, and color, every year. And believing in Jesus, they have been delivered from the most evil, disastrous, frustrating, debilitating habits and life forms possible. The real problem with Jesus Christ is not that folk can't believe in Him--but that they won't believe in Him."

My friend, in all honesty, what are the chances you've not been altogether objective about the nature of the baby born in Bethlehem? What if the baby was God? What if He is God? What if you are to submit your life to Him?

References: Les Krantz, What the Odds Are (HarperPerennial, 1992).

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

Then where do the phenomenal amounts of energy come from?

Remember E=mc^2? Are you claiming that does not apply?

It's a seperation of the bonds that stabilize the atom. The charges between the electrons and particles in the nucleus. Is there a reason it isn't relative?

Sorry for the double post if I do.

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

I don't have to answer that. God is beyond the natural. There are no rules to define Him. He does not require a creator He is from everlasting to everlasting. The evilutionists must answer the question because they believe that matter is neither created nor destroyed.

Yes but from what you are saying, there could be many other eternal entities that can exist outside the boundaries of nature, with absolutely no example of an influence or origin.

Make sense?

[Didymus Much]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

This is not the destruction of matter but the seperation of sub-atomic particles from an atom...

Then where do the phenomenal amounts of energy come from?

Remember E=mc^2? Are you claiming that does not apply?

...Rays are all particles, light is a particle as well as unseen light. They never leave this dimension...

I never claimed they did.

Now back on topic before I get an infraction, ok?

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

Like I said, I do not claim to understand quantum dynamics well enough to explain it, let alone argue, but from what I've gathered, matter does go into and out of "being" in our dimension continuously (as has been witnessed in experiments involving the Casimir effect). These occurrences are on such a microscopic scale that they do not affect our daily living, but are starting to be exploited for the next generation of designs in computer chips (regular computers, even, not just quantum computing). I do know that matter (as we understand it on our macroscopic scale) is destroyed in both nuclear fission and fusion reactions (though that would just lead to an argument on particle/wave duality [is a gamma ray matter, or energy, or both?], which is both beyond the scope of, and unsuitable for, a Baptist Church's webforum).

Have you read the Bible yet?

This is not the destruction of matter but the seperation of sub-atomic particles from an atom.
Rays are all particles, light is a particle as well as unseen light. They never leave this dimension.

Yes, an accurate translation and summary of it, but I am not too into fictional novels.

[Didymus Much]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

...Matter is only changeable, not creatable/destroyable.

Like I said, I do not claim to understand quantum dynamics well enough to explain it, let alone argue, but from what I've gathered, matter does go into and out of "being" in our dimension continuously (as has been witnessed in experiments involving the Casimir effect). These occurrences are on such a microscopic scale that they do not affect our daily living, but are starting to be exploited for the next generation of designs in computer chips (regular computers, even, not just quantum computing). I do know that matter (as we understand it on our macroscopic scale) is destroyed in both nuclear fission and fusion reactions (though that would just lead to an argument on particle/wave duality [is a gamma ray matter, or energy, or both?], which is both beyond the scope of, and unsuitable for, a Baptist Church's webforum).

Have you read the Bible yet?

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

So my legitimate non-trick question is if God is what created all existence, then what created God?

I don't have to answer that. God is beyond the natural. There are no rules to define Him. He does not require a creator He is from everlasting to everlasting. The evilutionists must answer the question because they believe that matter is neither created nor destroyed.

[murdythenumbskull]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

Science disagrees. A snippet, in nice easy language, from On the shores of the unknown by Joseph Silk, about one of the effects of quantum dynamics (I've highlighted the salient bits):



I could go on, but frankly, trying to really understand that stuff hurts my brain even more than reading Gnostic literature (and that's saying something).

I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to besides the fact that electromagnetic waves and many other particles in these spectrums that pass through such tested vacuum are always present. These do not allow any type of true vacuums to possess absolutely no particles. Matter is only changeable, not creatable/destroyable.