[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I'm starting to suspect that you're being intentionally thick. I was neither proving nor disproving Newton's Second Law of Motion. I was using a well-known mathematical formula in an attempt to break through that thick wall of ignorance you wear like a priceless vest.


Now you're just making up problems. If you choose a radius with units of acceleration, you'd get nonsense. You're not paying attention to the details here, which is, of course, where the most interesting things are. Sure you can pick random numbers -- no one is arguing that! 5+4 = -2. Sure, I can write that down, but it doesn't make it true. That is why I provided the example above: 120 := 120. That is a statement that is mathematically true. When I picked numbers above (120 Newtons, 10 m/s^2), they were picked somewhat randomly. However, using the same laws of mathematics as I used in the original calculation of pi, I was able to deduct fair and true results from those numbers.



It's the same principle as if I chose to calculate the area of a box with sides 2' x 3'. The area is 6 square feet. If I randomly pick a box with sides 2' x 10', the area of the box is 20 square feet. Both random, both true. I don't see what you're missing about this.

At this point I feel that you are being intentionally dense, in an attempt to prove some sort of odd point. As I have said, I am being as clear about this as I can be! I've had zero complaints or problems from my peer Creation Scientists, so I am confident that the problem lies somewhere on your end (presumably between your ears).

Tsk tsk, you keep ignoring the facts. You keep picking random numbers, you even are saying it yourself. And you keep ignoring the fact you still never claim where you get your original numbers for Volume and Radius from. Where did they come from? You chose those randomly as well. Thats what I am trying to get at. Sure a box (A = L x W) 2 x 3 has a area of 6. Its area is directly proportional to the measurement of its sides (Length and Width). As well as the volume of a sphere is directly proportional to its radius cubed. (V = 4/3 x Pi x r^3). You can treat this as the same as the Area Formula where V = A, (4/3 * Pi) = L, and W = r^3. You chose a known volume, and radius that would give you the number you wanted for Pi. I have shown this repeatedly. So unless you can tell us all where you got those numbers from instead of arbitrarily (Randomly) being chosen, (which I do believe is the case), your proof is invalid.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration.

I'm starting to suspect that you're being intentionally thick. I was neither proving nor disproving Newton's Second Law of Motion. I was using a well-known mathematical formula in an attempt to break through that thick wall of ignorance you wear like a priceless vest.

This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers.

Now you're just making up problems. If you choose a radius with units of acceleration, you'd get nonsense. You're not paying attention to the details here, which is, of course, where the most interesting things are. Sure you can pick random numbers -- no one is arguing that! 5+4 = -2. Sure, I can write that down, but it doesn't make it true. That is why I provided the example above: 120 := 120. That is a statement that is mathematically true. When I picked numbers above (120 Newtons, 10 m/s^2), they were picked somewhat randomly. However, using the same laws of mathematics as I used in the original calculation of pi, I was able to deduct fair and true results from those numbers.

It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

It's the same principle as if I chose to calculate the area of a box with sides 2' x 3'. The area is 6 square feet. If I randomly pick a box with sides 2' x 10', the area of the box is 20 square feet. Both random, both true. I don't see what you're missing about this.

At this point I feel that you are being intentionally dense, in an attempt to prove some sort of odd point. As I have said, I am being as clear about this as I can be! I've had zero complaints or problems from my peer Creation Scientists, so I am confident that the problem lies somewhere on your end (presumably between your ears).

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration. This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers. It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

All this sounds very impressive and I'm sure lots of secularists will sit in awe but doesn't mean you are going to Heaven.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

You say you are well-versed and fluent in the language of calculus, and yet you struggle with the concept of substitution? Is this what passes for "fluent" in your public school mathematics classes? If so, we are in worse shape as a nation than I realized!

Let me try again, more slowly this time. In short, we are trying to solve for pi. Since you've proven you can't handle basic mathematics, let us try physics on for size. You'll recall the Newtonian formula for Force: F=Ma. As an analogy, let us solve for M (mass, in case you haven't covered this in Remedial Physics 101): M = F/a. If we have a force of 120 Newtons and note an acceleration of 10 m/s^2, we can simply substitute these values into their appropriately-named variables: M = F / a => M = (120 Newtons) / (10 m/s^2). Then you, being the public school product you are, plug this into your calculator and find that the mass of the said object is 12 kg.

This can be verified by further mathematics. You'll note that if you take the values and put them back into the original equation (F = Ma), you get the following: (120 Newtons) = (12 kg) x (10 m/s^2), which is true (120 := 120). Thus we have proven that the equation holds and we have arrived at the correct answer.

Now you say, "but I can choose any value I want". However, as I showed, this isn't true! If, instead of 12 kg, you insist "no, it really is 10 kg", then what happens? Well when you take the original values and plug them back into the equation, it becomes immediately obvious that it is a false statement: 120 Newtons = (10 kg) x (10 m/s^2) => 120 is not equal to 100!

I hope that this helps clear things up for you. I've tried to use the most simple math I can, but beyond this, I'm afraid you'll have to spend some time with a tutor or something, as I am a busy man and can't afford to spend my valuable time helping someone with these basic concepts. I suspect that it may be in your own best interest to simply accept this and to spend your energy in other fields, as clearly advanced mathematics is not where the Lord has chosen for you to excel!

Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration. This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers. It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

A real person can admit when they were wrong, I corrected myself. Problem solved. I nowhere in my post called him a liar, I asked how he got his numbers. I mean come on, how does he expect to get that Nobel Prize without disclosing his full proof?

I am glad to know you can admit you are wrong. When you are Judged by Him He will look upon this and He may go easy on you.
Proof is simple as mentioning the Bible. Everything anyone needs to know is between its' slick leather cover.

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

So you admit your own post is full of errors! And yet you have the nerve to publically call Dr. Ville a liar? I think only Jesus can lead you out of the dark place you're in.

Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

A real person can admit when they were wrong, I corrected myself. Problem solved. I nowhere in my post called him a liar, I asked how he got his numbers. I mean come on, how does he expect to get that Nobel Prize without disclosing his full proof?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius ® = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.

You say you are well-versed and fluent in the language of calculus, and yet you struggle with the concept of substitution? Is this what passes for "fluent" in your public school mathematics classes? If so, we are in worse shape as a nation than I realized!

Let me try again, more slowly this time. In short, we are trying to solve for pi. Since you've proven you can't handle basic mathematics, let us try physics on for size. You'll recall the Newtonian formula for Force: F=Ma. As an analogy, let us solve for M (mass, in case you haven't covered this in Remedial Physics 101): M = F/a. If we have a force of 120 Newtons and note an acceleration of 10 m/s^2, we can simply substitute these values into their appropriately-named variables: M = F / a => M = (120 Newtons) / (10 m/s^2). Then you, being the public school product you are, plug this into your calculator and find that the mass of the said object is 12 kg.

This can be verified by further mathematics. You'll note that if you take the values and put them back into the original equation (F = Ma), you get the following: (120 Newtons) = (12 kg) x (10 m/s^2), which is true (120 := 120). Thus we have proven that the equation holds and we have arrived at the correct answer.

Now you say, "but I can choose any value I want". However, as I showed, this isn't true! If, instead of 12 kg, you insist "no, it really is 10 kg", then what happens? Well when you take the original values and plug them back into the equation, it becomes immediately obvious that it is a false statement: 120 Newtons = (10 kg) x (10 m/s^2) => 120 is not equal to 100!

I hope that this helps clear things up for you. I've tried to use the most simple math I can, but beyond this, I'm afraid you'll have to spend some time with a tutor or something, as I am a busy man and can't afford to spend my valuable time helping someone with these basic concepts. I suspect that it may be in your own best interest to simply accept this and to spend your energy in other fields, as clearly advanced mathematics is not where the Lord has chosen for you to excel!

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

And is this not why God told us pi=3?

I have just mathematically proven to you that you can make pi any value you want, and the method that the "Good Dr." used was correct.

[Little Donkey]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I have to edit my first response, because I made a mistake in my math blah blah more lies

So you admit your own post is full of errors! And yet you have the nerve to publically call Dr. Ville a liar? I think only Jesus can lead you out of the dark place you're in.

Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

showing that you can make pi whatever value you want by plugging in any radius and any volume.

And is this not why God told us pi=3?

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius ® = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.




And as for you, Pastor Ezekiel, There are no Nobel Prize's in Arithmetic. The top prize in the field of Mathematics is the Fields Medal.

I have to edit my first response, because I made a mistake in my math. Volume = 180 not 36. This would result in pi = 5. If Volume is chosen to be 36 like in my previous example doing the math would result in pi = 1, Either way, it still stands to the same effect, showing that you can make pi whatever value you want by plugging in any radius and any volume.

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius (r) = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.

Praise Jesus! We are all in awe of your God-given talents and keen mind, Brother Ernest. I don't know of anyone else in our congregation that could have pulled off such a miraculous computation. GLORY!

I'm sure the other pastors will join me in submitting your name to be considered for this year's Nobel Prize in Arithmatic.

And as for you, Pastor Ezekiel, There are no Nobel Prize's in Arithmetic. The top prize in the field of Mathematics is the Fields Medal.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I have to point out that your math is not correct. As a "layman" I have to point out that in step one you set your limits of integration for a half a sphere (bowl). Your integration from there is correct, but you derived the formula for the volume of half a sphere (a bowl). Thus, your volume will have to be twice (2x) as big which is 4/3* pi * r^3, not 2/3 as you show in your derivation. As well, your inputting of your radius and chosen volume are also incorrect. You are putting in an arbitrary volume and arbitrary radius to get the value of pi that you desire. By doing this, you can make pi any number you want. You can't do that. Volume is dependent on radius and vice versa. Thus your entire mathematical proof is wrong. Sorry, but try again.

While I must admit you are correct in my having overlooked the trivial factor of two in my typed response, I must question your motives for pointing out a flaw that is evident at first glance--certainly when I performed my derivation and calculation, this factor was left out for ease of calculation since the shape was clearly reciprocal on an arbitrary axis passing through the center of the shape, standard protocol for all things scientific.

As far the difficulties you appear to be having with the substitutions, I can't help you there. A topic as advanced as Calculus requires certain baseline knowledge that I have neither the desire nor time to teach you. I suspect that, as a product of our failed public schools, you are unable or unwilling to put in the work necessary to understand as beautiful a proof as this is.

The long and short of it is that I have proven analytically that the Bible's value of Pi can be derived using the purest science: mathematics. And that is something that we True Christians(tm) have known all along, but is something that earthly scientists have trouble grasping!

I will pray for you! Perhaps someday you will see the light!

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

For those scoffers out there (), I have spent a great deal of time in prayer and supplication, and have determined that it would be for the best for me to prove this using advanced calculus. Using methods that I have helped to further myself, I have proven this, beyond any shadow of doubt. Attached you will find my work, straight from the desk of Dr. Ernest. Sister Sue, you may want to ensure that you are seated before you view the following!

Since I do not have the time to explain the inner workings of calculus and the like, I am going to assume a solid background in algebra and/or basic mathematics (this should end well ).

Step 1. Using spherical coordinates, we establish a 3 dimensional basis for integration about three different axes, denoted by theta, phi and r. The elements of three-space hold true in this coordinate system, so the triple integral will result in a value that represents a three-dimensional "volume". The limits of integration correspond to half of a sphere (a "bowl" to you laymen). The formula is trivial, the trigonometric function appearing from the switch of coordinate systems.

Step 2. Carried out the first step of integration. The constant of integration is dropped, since this is a Godly sphere and there is no overlapping area. The trigonometric function is treated as a constant, as its variable does not correspond with the variable of integration.

Step 3. Continue integration, this time using accepted values for the cosine function. After this step we are have completed two dimensions of integration. In a cartesian sense, we have established a cross-sectional area, that the third integration will use to describe a volume.

Step 4. The final step of integration, substituting the variables of integration into the new function, giving us a formula for the volume of half of a sphere.

Step 5. Finalizing the formula, removing any extraneous variables.

Step 6. Trivial substitutions, verifying, as we knew it would, the Bible's value of 3 for pi. Try it yourself and see, if you dare!

Praise JESUS, this has exhausted a great deal of brain power. But I know I will be scoffed at, after all of this work, because, as I was told earlier, proof means nothing to those who would believe whatever the world believes... I believe I will retire from my office for the evening, and take a walk through Landover's Olive Garden!

I have to point out that your math is not correct. As a "layman" I have to point out that in step one you set your limits of integration for a half a sphere (bowl). Your integration from there is correct, but you derived the formula for the volume of half a sphere (a bowl). Thus, your volume will have to be twice (2x) as big which is 4/3* pi * r^3, not 2/3 as you show in your derivation. As well, your inputting of your radius and chosen volume are also incorrect. You are putting in an arbitrary volume and arbitrary radius to get the value of pi that you desire. By doing this, you can make pi any number you want. You can't do that. Volume is dependent on radius and vice versa. Thus your entire mathematical proof is wrong. Sorry, but try again.

[steva]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

That's more like it!

I mean, how did God create the universe thinking pi=3 if pi is some fiddly number instead? There'd be bits of it all over the place that don't fit together properly and everything. But the universe works perfectly and is exactly as described in the Bible with no inaccuracies.

So sooner or later all these know-it-alls are going to be burning and wishing they weren't Mr Smartypants all their lives.

Now I see the light. I will proclaim to the "intellectual world" (although they can't even be called intelligent) the truth about pi and the world described by the Bible. I pray to my Lord Jesus that they will accept the truth.