[11cookies]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

A pimpled virgin who never leaves his house I presume?

Stop wasting time on witchcraft and start spending time on the Holy Bible friend!

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

As an Agnostic, that's not going to work.
If you can prove that pi<3.1415265... and instead it equals 3, WITHOUT using the Bible.
It will almost certainly be way more than enough to convince me that the Bible is the word of God.

In my last post I showed you a mathematical proof hat pi has to be significantly higher then 3.

It pi is 3 instead of 3.1415265... It should be east to mathematically show that without using the Bible.

I am still waiting...

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

As an Agnostic, that's not going to work.
If you can prove that pi<3.1415265... and instead it equals 3, WITHOUT using the Bible.

That is ridiculous. Can you prove something when you are not allowed to use proof? Of course not. The Bible proves pi is 3 without a shred of doubt and everyone with a ruler and a piece of string can easily verify that. But I am certain you never bothered to either read the Bible or figure it out for yourself. All you do is repeat nonsense people told you without ever using your own brain. Or are you going to pretend to have a ruler that is accurate enough to measure something at 3.1415265?

[11cookies]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

That is ridiculous. Can you prove something when you are not allowed to use proof? Of course not. The Bible proves pi is 3 without a shred of doubt and everyone with a ruler and a piece of string can easily verify that. But I am certain you never bothered to either read the Bible or figure it out for yourself. All you do is repeat nonsense people told you without ever using your own brain. Or are you going to pretend to have a ruler that is accurate enough to measure something at 3.1415265?

You could prove it mathematically.

I showed my mathematical proof it's above 3, and every mathematician agrees on the value.

I'm not going to take the word of a book that's supposedly written by a being who i'm not sure even exists without some more evidence.

[steva]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Please do no become an engineer.

[Jack O'fagan]

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Please do no become an engineer.

The tallest tower ever made was produced using biblical engineering so you are clearly wrong.


Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.



YIC


Jack

[steva]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

The tallest tower ever made was produced using biblical engineering so you are clearly wrong.


Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.



YIC


Jack

So let me clarify, don't become any kind of engineer other than a civil engineer (They're the underdogs anyway). But if you do become an engineer, please tell me what you design.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Please do no become an engineer.

Please become a Christian.

[steva]

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Please become a Christian.

You're right, I should act more like a Christan because I am a Christian. If the Bible says that pi is 3, then pi is 3.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

You're right, I should act more like a Christan because I am a Christian. If the Bible says that pi is 3, then pi is 3.

That's more like it!

I mean, how did God create the universe thinking pi=3 if pi is some fiddly number instead? There'd be bits of it all over the place that don't fit together properly and everything. But the universe works perfectly and is exactly as described in the Bible with no inaccuracies.

So sooner or later all these know-it-alls are going to be burning and wishing they weren't Mr Smartypants all their lives.

[steva]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

That's more like it!

I mean, how did God create the universe thinking pi=3 if pi is some fiddly number instead? There'd be bits of it all over the place that don't fit together properly and everything. But the universe works perfectly and is exactly as described in the Bible with no inaccuracies.

So sooner or later all these know-it-alls are going to be burning and wishing they weren't Mr Smartypants all their lives.

Now I see the light. I will proclaim to the "intellectual world" (although they can't even be called intelligent) the truth about pi and the world described by the Bible. I pray to my Lord Jesus that they will accept the truth.

[Engineer6433]

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For those scoffers out there (), I have spent a great deal of time in prayer and supplication, and have determined that it would be for the best for me to prove this using advanced calculus. Using methods that I have helped to further myself, I have proven this, beyond any shadow of doubt. Attached you will find my work, straight from the desk of Dr. Ernest. Sister Sue, you may want to ensure that you are seated before you view the following!

Since I do not have the time to explain the inner workings of calculus and the like, I am going to assume a solid background in algebra and/or basic mathematics (this should end well ).

Step 1. Using spherical coordinates, we establish a 3 dimensional basis for integration about three different axes, denoted by theta, phi and r. The elements of three-space hold true in this coordinate system, so the triple integral will result in a value that represents a three-dimensional "volume". The limits of integration correspond to half of a sphere (a "bowl" to you laymen). The formula is trivial, the trigonometric function appearing from the switch of coordinate systems.

Step 2. Carried out the first step of integration. The constant of integration is dropped, since this is a Godly sphere and there is no overlapping area. The trigonometric function is treated as a constant, as its variable does not correspond with the variable of integration.

Step 3. Continue integration, this time using accepted values for the cosine function. After this step we are have completed two dimensions of integration. In a cartesian sense, we have established a cross-sectional area, that the third integration will use to describe a volume.

Step 4. The final step of integration, substituting the variables of integration into the new function, giving us a formula for the volume of half of a sphere.

Step 5. Finalizing the formula, removing any extraneous variables.

Step 6. Trivial substitutions, verifying, as we knew it would, the Bible's value of 3 for pi. Try it yourself and see, if you dare!

Praise JESUS, this has exhausted a great deal of brain power. But I know I will be scoffed at, after all of this work, because, as I was told earlier, proof means nothing to those who would believe whatever the world believes... I believe I will retire from my office for the evening, and take a walk through Landover's Olive Garden!

I have to point out that your math is not correct. As a "layman" I have to point out that in step one you set your limits of integration for a half a sphere (bowl). Your integration from there is correct, but you derived the formula for the volume of half a sphere (a bowl). Thus, your volume will have to be twice (2x) as big which is 4/3* pi * r^3, not 2/3 as you show in your derivation. As well, your inputting of your radius and chosen volume are also incorrect. You are putting in an arbitrary volume and arbitrary radius to get the value of pi that you desire. By doing this, you can make pi any number you want. You can't do that. Volume is dependent on radius and vice versa. Thus your entire mathematical proof is wrong. Sorry, but try again.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I have to point out that your math is not correct. As a "layman" I have to point out that in step one you set your limits of integration for a half a sphere (bowl). Your integration from there is correct, but you derived the formula for the volume of half a sphere (a bowl). Thus, your volume will have to be twice (2x) as big which is 4/3* pi * r^3, not 2/3 as you show in your derivation. As well, your inputting of your radius and chosen volume are also incorrect. You are putting in an arbitrary volume and arbitrary radius to get the value of pi that you desire. By doing this, you can make pi any number you want. You can't do that. Volume is dependent on radius and vice versa. Thus your entire mathematical proof is wrong. Sorry, but try again.

While I must admit you are correct in my having overlooked the trivial factor of two in my typed response, I must question your motives for pointing out a flaw that is evident at first glance--certainly when I performed my derivation and calculation, this factor was left out for ease of calculation since the shape was clearly reciprocal on an arbitrary axis passing through the center of the shape, standard protocol for all things scientific.

As far the difficulties you appear to be having with the substitutions, I can't help you there. A topic as advanced as Calculus requires certain baseline knowledge that I have neither the desire nor time to teach you. I suspect that, as a product of our failed public schools, you are unable or unwilling to put in the work necessary to understand as beautiful a proof as this is.

The long and short of it is that I have proven analytically that the Bible's value of Pi can be derived using the purest science: mathematics. And that is something that we True Christians(tm) have known all along, but is something that earthly scientists have trouble grasping!

I will pray for you! Perhaps someday you will see the light!

[Engineer6433]

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I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius (r) = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.

Praise Jesus! We are all in awe of your God-given talents and keen mind, Brother Ernest. I don't know of anyone else in our congregation that could have pulled off such a miraculous computation. GLORY!

I'm sure the other pastors will join me in submitting your name to be considered for this year's Nobel Prize in Arithmatic.

And as for you, Pastor Ezekiel, There are no Nobel Prize's in Arithmetic. The top prize in the field of Mathematics is the Fields Medal.

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius ® = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.




And as for you, Pastor Ezekiel, There are no Nobel Prize's in Arithmetic. The top prize in the field of Mathematics is the Fields Medal.

I have to edit my first response, because I made a mistake in my math. Volume = 180 not 36. This would result in pi = 5. If Volume is chosen to be 36 like in my previous example doing the math would result in pi = 1, Either way, it still stands to the same effect, showing that you can make pi whatever value you want by plugging in any radius and any volume.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

showing that you can make pi whatever value you want by plugging in any radius and any volume.

And is this not why God told us pi=3?