[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Amazing! All this time I was convinced that in Christianity things like slavery were considered wrong. But now that you guys made me go research bible verses, I can't find a single bible verse that condemns slavery.

I can't find a single bible verse that condemns slavery.

Slavery's okay people. If anyone is selling their daughters let me know (although you might have to win me over first!) I kid. Though I do apologize for implying Christianity is intolerant of slavery. I was very wrong. Still though, when I look in the sky at the moon I see a sphere. Not a disc, not a square, not a photoshop, not an illusion that is meant to decieve me into thinking sphere when I really see banana. I see a sphere in the sky and its called the moon. If I am to be condemned to burn for eternity for this so be it

Well okay then! As long as eternal damnation is what you really want, then I suppose there is no sense in arguing with you any more. Enjoy Hell!

I would just like to add that not only does the Bible markedly LACK any verse condemning slavery, but it makes specific prescriptions regarding the behavior of slaves and their masters. So it expressly APPROVES of certain forms of slavery.

Also, the fact that you think you see a sphere in the sky means nothing. God's word tells us that the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon are but lights in the dome of the firmament. Do you claim to know better than God? Typical atheist.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

No! I do not claim to knowanything. I claim ignorance in all cases. Which is why I am here, so I can ask questions that really bother me and get real answers. So every night I will look up at the sky, knowing that somehow my eyes and brain have colluded against me, tricking me into thinking i see a sphere when really all I see is an illusion.

I would like to point out an argument by rene descartes. You will probably denounce him as a heretic and such but he made real contributions to the field of philosophy which I and many others am grateful for. It goes something like this

1. Does God have every attribute that is perfection, and none that is lacking (imperfect) -yes
2. Is deceit or trickery, in any case, an attribute of perfection? No
3. So is it logically consistent that God would cast shadows upon the world in an attempt to deceive us into believing in those shadows? No

If you want to believe that God put the moon right in front of our frickin faces, then lol'd and said "jk im just going to t r o l l " all these people to test them and if they question my mirages they will burn then fine, but that is a petty and pernicious God. In the sense that our eternal souls are not measured by our actions or character or righteousness in this life but how we interpret the vastness of creation he laid before us.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

No! I do not claim to knowanything. I claim ignorance in all cases. Which is why I am here, so I can ask questions that really bother me and get real answers. So every night I will look up at the sky, knowing that somehow my eyes and brain have colluded against me, tricking me into thinking i see a sphere when really all I see is an illusion.

I would like to point out an argument by rene descartes. You will probably denounce him as a heretic and such but he made real contributions to the field of philosophy which I and many others am grateful for. It goes something like this

1. Does God have every attribute that is perfection, and none that is lacking (imperfect) -yes
2. Is deceit or trickery, in any case, an attribute of perfection? No
3. So is it logically consistent that God would cast shadows upon the world in an attempt to deceive us into believing in those shadows? No

If you want to believe that God put the moon right in front of our frickin faces, then lol'd and said "jk im just going to t r o l l " all these people to test them and if they question my mirages they will burn then fine, but that is a petty and pernicious God. In the sense that our eternal souls are not measured by our actions or character or righteousness in this life but how we interpret the vastness of creation he laid before us.

So, since you believe that you don't know anything and are categorically ignorant, you don't really claim to know any of the above is true?
I guess I could literally say that you have admitted to not knowing what your talking about.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Sure. I have no idea what anything means. I'm a blathering idiot condemned to let others think for him. Someone wrote Descartes' (dont know who that is) argument on a piece of paper and asked me to evaluate it. Please tell me BB- how should one interpret Descartes' argument from a Christian point of view. Thank you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"how do we know slavery is wrong" I guess we haven't come very far in 2000 years. Maybe that's why Jesus isn't back yet. He spends his first and biggest sermon preaching about how we should all strive to be better, to become closer to God, to live by the golden rule, "but how do we know slavery is wrong"? I'll abandon that one while I still can.

I posted this in the other flat earth thread and haven't seen any answers so I'll try here:

As I look out of my bedroom window, I see the Moon. It seems spherical. In one month when I look out the window it will still be there, but rotated, thus confirming it as a sphere. I notice that the moon casts shadows on the earth, just as the Sun does to us and the moon. I then use a process of inference that If the Moon is round and spins and it goes around us, then the earth is round and spins and goes around the Sun, which is round and spins....etc etc.

please tell me where in this paragraph I am wrong

Ever seen a pie? A Silver Dollar? An Eldorado hubcap?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Sure. I have no idea what anything means. I'm a blathering idiot condemned to let others think for him. Someone wrote Descartes' (dont know who that is) argument on a piece of paper and asked me to evaluate it. Please tell me BB- how should one interpret Descartes' argument from a Christian point of view. Thank you.

Why should anyone explain some dead guys opinions to you that you admittedly will never understand? Sounds like fools folly to me.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Well, as an outside observer (which I stated in my introduction I am) who claims ignorance (see last post) yet would like to learn a Christian viewpoint on the subject, I hoped one of you (being a Christian responsible for promoting that viewpoint) could guide me to understanding.

1. I see a sphere in the sky. Not a disc.
2. I want to know if the sphere in the sky exists as a real, tangible, measurable object, or if it is an illusion created by God, Satan, or some Supernatural Being.
3. If such a sphere does in fact exist in reality, I can deduce that other such spheres should exist, and even go so far as to claim that we might be on a sphere.
(4. If God is perfect, and trickery or deception are imperfections, then it cannot be that God is the one casting the illusion.)

It is a simple, logical progression. Please help me understand my error.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Start with this. Get back to me when you have read everything.

Lazyness will get you kno place. To coast down a hill, you must first climb the other side.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I will not click on any link, and I will not accept anything except a direct answer to my question. It should be very easy to answer.

1. I see a sphere in the sky.
2. I want to know if the sphere exists as a tangible, measurable object.
3. If the sphere does exist, then it would make sense that our Earth could also be a sphere?
4. If the sphere does not exist, why do I see it?

Please help

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I will not click on any link, and I will not accept anything except a direct answer to my question. It should be very easy to answer.

1. I see a sphere in the sky.
2. I want to know if the sphere exists as a tangible, measurable object.
3. If the sphere does exist, then it would make sense that our Earth could also be a sphere?
4. If the sphere does not exist, why do I see it?

Please help

You're lying. You see a flat disc. Not a sphere.

Even if it was a sphere, you would still see a circle.

So what you're saying is also irrelevant.

Come up with something intelligent before posting again, please.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

You're lying. You see a flat disc. Not a sphere.

Even if it was a sphere, you would still see a circle.

So what you're saying is also irrelevant.

Come up with something intelligent before posting again, please.

I'm sorry, the human eye (as well as most other eyes) have this cool feature called "depth perception". It allows you to see curvatures forwards and backwards in space, as well as from side to side. If you put a second grader in a room with a plate and a globe and asked which is spherical he would pick the globe even if he couldn't examine it because of DEPTH PERCEPTION. I see a sphere in the sky because the center appears closer to me than the edges and I can also see a small shadow around the bottom lip of the planet where it curves back. Is depth perception an illusion too? Thanks -aUS

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The sun, moon and the rest is not so close as to be in a room. Be realistic and place the objects at several hundred miles. A pile of shit held in your hand and held close to your face looks massive whereas the same pile at 100 miles is nothing. Try it for yourself, you'll see. You may also notice the smell is different too.

You still have not bothered to read the wealth of proven data I gave you, have you? You are just trying, so feebly at that, attempting to come up with 'new concepts'. As kids say, 'total fail'.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I do not accept your evidence. Showing those to other people and using them as a tool to prove your point when you know full well those are not legitimate photographs a violation of the 10 commandments, a LIE, and a tool of SATAN.

1. I see a sphere in the sky. I can tell it is a sphere, not a disk, by utilizing the depth perception abilities God granted me at birth.
2. Is the sphere real?
3. Why or why not?

I'm beginning to think that these questions are being avoided for a reason? I hate to be so annoying but I truly wish to resolve this question as it has been bothering me for so long now and I fear it may jeopardize everything I am trying to learn about this religion.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I do not accept your evidence. Showing those to other people and using them as a tool to prove your point when you know full well those are not legitimate photographs a violation of the 10 commandments, a LIE, and a tool of SATAN.

1. I see a sphere in the sky. I can tell it is a sphere, not a disk, by utilizing the depth perception abilities God granted me at birth.
2. Is the sphere real?
3. Why or why not?

I'm beginning to think that these questions are being avoided for a reason? I hate to be so annoying but I truly wish to resolve this question as it has been bothering me for so long now and I fear it may jeopardize everything I am trying to learn about this religion.

In order for depth perception to occur, one or more monocular or binocular cues must be present. The exhaustive list of such cues is as follows:

Monocular:

motion parallax
depth from motion
perspective
relative size
familiar size
aerial perspective
accommodation
occlusion
curvilinear perspective
texture gradient
lighting/shading
defocus blur
elevation

Binocular:

stereopsis
convergence
shadow stereopsis

They are defined here and here.

Q: which of these cues is present when you look at the moon?

A: none



Also, see Romans 3:7 regarding the accusation that a lie is necessarily a sin.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Sigh. I tried to explain that by using curvalinear perspective, I could deduce the moon was a sphere (the curvature of the ridges as well as shadowing (which is shading) that is two of the categories. And way to sound like an ignoramus, most of those things could not give you an accurate indication of shape or nature, only size and texture.

Q: which cues are present
A: Most obviously curvalinear perspective and shadowing, could probably identify more subtle ones.

Also GOD made it pretty clear when he spoke to Moses, giving him the clear commandment 'thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor' and posting paintings of old world lithographs as well as photos you KNOW IN YOUR HEART are doctored is bearing false witness. Sorry

So my original point stands

1. I see a sphere in the sky. Due to Curvalinear perspective, shadowing, and others, I can easily deduce it is a sphere and can only be a sphere
2. Is this sphere real, tangible, and measurable?
3. If not, why do I see it

What say you?