[recent_convert]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

@Brother Alex

thank you for your time in reading the essay, I've got to admit I am genuinely surprised someone's made the effort.

Just a few thoughts based on your reply:

If you use a metaphor in everyday conversation or a sermon, do you point out that its a metaphor?

The Bible was originally written in Greek and Hebrew, then translated into virtually every language in the world, English included)

Can you show me scripture which states that English is God's favourite language? (Oh, and American is not a language in itself, merely a dialect of English)

As an aside, King James was Catholic from birth to death, as was all his children (including Mary Queen of Scots til her execution)


I ask only as a seeker of the truth

[Minollo]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I'm sure there is a Biblical explanation for that.

Isaiah 13:10 "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."

I think this explain that the night is dark, not that there is a time of the day when the WHOLE earth lies in darkness. Tell me exactly which words affirm that, according to the image.

[MountainFool]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I have noticed several debates on this particular subject here. To all you godless atheists out there, let's settle this once and for all...

In the modern world it has become a widely spread lie that the earth is round. Of course, this is impossible. If the earth is round, then why don't people just fall off at the bottom?

The answer is simple: The Earth is not round!

Now, if we take a look at some scripture, it clearly tells us the earth is not round but flat:

Jeremiah 16:19:
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

According to Jeremiah 16:19, the earth has ends. There is no way a spherical earth could have ends, and therefore the earth must be flat. The Book of Revelation tells a similar story:

Revelation 7:1:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A spherical earth cannot have corners, it is scientifically impossible. The only logical explanation is that the earth is flat. Checkmate atheists!

Isaiah 40:22:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

What Isaiah actually describes here is as follows (note: this is a link to a video where a True Christian Scientist™ debunks a false Christian interpretation of this passage):



The following image is taken from a creation science book. According to real scientists, this is how the universe really looks like:



Here we see how the planets, the sun and the moon revolve around the flat earth:



Now, if you still don't believe these scientific facts, here are some real photographs taken at the ends of the earth:









As you can see, this is a solid proof the Earth is flat. Why else would it have edges like these? ...because the earth is flat! That's why.

YIC,
Alex

Wow. Those pictures are real? Not. the first one is an ad, the second one is clearly not a photograph. Who took the photo of the last two? There's this thing called photoshop. The earth is round. We have sent people into space and they have orbited the earth. We are not the center of the universe. Using ancient texts to explain science is just ignorant.

[A Follower]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Using ancient texts to explain science is just ignorant.

Exactly, so stop believing a 2600 year old theory about the shape of earth. In those past 2600 years so much has happened in science: first and foremost, Jesus walked earth and shared His knowledge with us, second, the KJV 1611 was written no more than 400 years ago, hardly something you call an ancient text, and it has been proven to be 100% accurate and correct, so it's a lot more useful than science books and articles that always come with huge lists of errata (meaning errors and inconsistencies as well as pointing out where secular science doesn't match reality).

[MountainFool]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Exactly, so stop believing a 2600 year old theory about the shape of earth. In those past 2600 years so much has happened in science: first and foremost, Jesus walked earth and shared His knowledge with us, second, the KJV 1611 was written no more than 400 years ago, hardly something you call an ancient text, and it has been proven to be 100% accurate and correct, so it's a lot more useful than science books and articles that always come with huge lists of errata (meaning errors and inconsistencies as well as pointing out where secular science doesn't match reality).

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Because 400 years wasn't a long time ago? I'd rather trust modern minds who don't get persecuted for having ideas.

[Nobar King]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

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I'd rather trust modern minds who don't get persecuted for having ideas.

Yet, you are content to go around persecuting others for their ideas? You are a hypocrite.

[recent_convert]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Exactly, so stop believing a 2600 year old theory about the shape of earth. In those past 2600 years so much has happened in science: first and foremost, Jesus walked earth and shared His knowledge with us, second, the KJV 1611 was written no more than 400 years ago, hardly something you call an ancient text, and it has been proven to be 100% accurate and correct, so it's a lot more useful than science books and articles that always come with huge lists of errata (meaning errors and inconsistencies as well as pointing out where secular science doesn't match reality).

As opposed to a constantly translated book on morality tales and impossible events which is hugely open to interpretation and doesn't come with such errata, so we have to find them out for ourselves?
Just my opinion, but I'd rather trust something which openly states it doesn't have every answer but is striving towards that state one small step at a time and can be corroborated by a simple application of common sense and mathematical acuity.

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Just my opinion, but I'd rather trust something which openly states it doesn't have every answer but is striving towards that state one small step at a time and can be corroborated by a simple application of common sense and mathematical acuity.

Why rely on such an unreliable book when there is a book in existence that indeed HAS all the answers? The Holy Bible (Authorized King James Version of 1611) is the most advanced and accurate science book ever written! It was written by God himself and because God wrote it it's infallible. Why do you hate true knowledge?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

[Tal'Rasha]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Using ancient scriptures as "Scientific proof" that the earth is flat... Really...? As the evil twin-clone of Adolf Hitler would put it:
Of course! Don't you know anything about science?

[Teabagging Mom]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Using ancient scriptures as "Scientific proof" that the earth is flat... Really...? As the evil twin-clone of Adolf Hitler would put it:
Of course! Don't you know anything about science?

La La La La....

Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
But I do know God loves me
And I know that if you would love Him too
What a wonderful world this would be

[recent_convert]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

All these discussions on various threads about the nature of the universe in which we inhabit got me thinking about how religion got started. For the purpose and duration of this post, please assume that God doesn't exist. (Please bear with me, it won't be long!)

Some ruler, say 10,000 years ago, (for arguments sake) wonders how he can keep order among his people during hard times, maybe people are rising up due to lack of food etc
This ruler knows that banishing too many people won't work - they'll just form their own village and oppose him.
So instead, he comes up with the idea of rewards and punishment which only takes effect after people have died, along with the suggestion that their actions will be known even if they were able to conceal their crimes during their lives.
Over the years, more and more people heard the stories of 'heaven' and 'hell' and the idea spread.
Other rulers started their own ideas, tailored to suit the circumstances in their own towns and villages.
At some point in history, maybe 6,000 years ago, another ruler (whose title or name was phonetically similar to "God") added a theory of how the world was created, with himself being the procreator.
Over the years, other stories were added to teach right from wrong and other morality tales.

These are my own thoughts on the subject, if someone else has put up similar ideas I have not seen them.
I was unable to find a suitable thread to place this so I just added it to where many people are bound to read.
Any responses would be welcome. Thanking you in advance.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

please assume that God doesn't exist.

See, that is the problem with you atheists. You want us to just "assume" there is no God, so that we will go to Hell. Making assumptions makes an ass out of you and me. Instead of just assuming all the time, why don't you read the KJV Bible and find out for yourself?

[Brother Helge]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

All these discussions on various threads about the nature of the universe in which we inhabit got me thinking about how religion got started. For the purpose and duration of this post, please assume that God doesn't exist. (Please bear with me, it won't be long!)

Some ruler, say 10,000 years ago, (for arguments sake) wonders how he can keep order among his people during hard times, maybe people are rising up due to lack of food etc
This ruler knows that banishing too many people won't work - they'll just form their own village and oppose him.
So instead, he comes up with the idea of rewards and punishment which only takes effect after people have died, along with the suggestion that their actions will be known even if they were able to conceal their crimes during their lives.
Over the years, more and more people heard the stories of 'heaven' and 'hell' and the idea spread.
Other rulers started their own ideas, tailored to suit the circumstances in their own towns and villages.
At some point in history, maybe 6,000 years ago, another ruler (whose title or name was phonetically similar to "God") added a theory of how the world was created, with himself being the procreator.
Over the years, other stories were added to teach right from wrong and other morality tales.

These are my own thoughts on the subject, if someone else has put up similar ideas I have not seen them.
I was unable to find a suitable thread to place this so I just added it to where many people are bound to read.
Any responses would be welcome. Thanking you in advance.

Can you back up this nonsense with Scripture?
Didn't think so!

(Earth is not even 10.000 years old.)

[recent_convert]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Can you back up this nonsense with Scripture?
Didn't think so!

(Earth is not even 10.000 years old.)

The whole point of my post was to point out how religions could have got started. In this hypothetical situation, the writers of the stories would hardly put in something that would blatantly show that it wasn't real or else the messages contained therein would have been ignored and wouldn't have survived more than a generation or two.

The original post also postulates a reason for the 6,000 year beginning.

[MountainFool]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Why rely on such an unreliable book when there is a book in existence that indeed HAS all the answers? The Holy Bible (Authorized King James Version of 1611) is the most advanced and accurate science book ever written! It was written by God himself and because God wrote it it's infallible. Why do you hate true knowledge?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

I believe men wrote that book. Last time I checked it didn't say Holy Bible Written by God. It wasn't god sitting and documenting these events. I believe there is a god out there don't get me wrong, but the book is an interpretation. It is a great book to guide your life by, not to live your life .I believe everything is true to an extent. I look at it in a modern way to figure out what these people really saw so long ago.