[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Wouldn't hurt to guess, would it? It would be pretty accurate, not many people actually have the name MarcoPolo or PoloMarco with the same capital letters and all.

Why would I want to guess. There are many people with similar names. It does not mean they are all the same people.

Also, you won't go to hell if you don't believe in God. When an atheist dies, he BECOMES God. He will be free to create, explore, destroy.
Someone religious like yourself will just end up in limbo, where nothing happens ever, and you can't get out.

You will be trapped.

Forever.

You do go to Hell if you do not believe in God, Even atheists like you. True Christians go to Heaven, where we can look down at you being punished by Satan.

[Habadasher]

Thanks a bunch

Well you people have just played a huge part in convincing me that there is not now and could never have been a single, all knowing God.
If God had been all knowing, he would have had the foresight to know that distributing the bible would lead to your existence, causing far more harm than good.
In fact, any being powerful enough to create the earth and the stars would surely know what idiocy would come of the distribution of the bible.

Now I'm sure most of you have already stopped reading but if you've gotten this far, congratulations! You're slightly less arrogant than the rest of these fools.

Ok, I'm going to go right back to the first page of this forum and explain in no uncertain terms how fundamentally flawed your "experiments" are.
The main thing you seem unable to grasp is the sheer scale of the earth. The earth has an average radius of 6371 km. I say average because it is not, in fact a perfect sphere but is wider along the equator, as was predicted and as was observed from space.
Because the earth is so huge, it only curves by around 12cm for every kilometer. This makes the curvature almost imperceptible over small distances (under 1,000km).
A nice, observable proof is that the top of a large object (like the mast of a boat) will appear first as it appears on the horizon. This would not be the case with a flat earth.
Also, there is the blindingly obvious fact that a 2 dimensional shape has obvious limits (ie. you could fall off the edge). Since circumnavigation is possible and nobody has ever fallen off the earth attempting it, the earth must be spherical (well, approximately. To be precise, it is an oblate spheroid).

Now that you understand how big the earth is (and hopefully, what shape it is), I will begin debunking your little "proofs".

1) Although the earth is spinning extremely fast, it is also extremely large.
Because of this, the speed we perceive on the surface of the earth is completely negligible.
To help you understand this, you could consider two wheels (or balls, if you want) of different sizes spinning at different speeds. Surely it would take the larger wheel longer to complete a full rotation. Therefore, an observer on the edge of the larger wheel would perceive a slower rotation. This is why we don't notice the earth's spin.
This is also why your truck analogy is totally inadequate. In your version, you are very close to the speed of the object but in reality, the earth's speed is greatest at its centre so we experience only the smallest possible part of it.

2) This one is far too obvious! You state multiple times that the balloon has a far greater mass than the paper but this just shows a poor understanding of mass (or, just scale again). The mass of the earth is around 5,974,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg, my mass is about 80kg. This is a substantially larger difference than in your balloon/paper "experiment".
Although, technically you are onto something here. There is a gravitational force between the balloon and the paper, it is just far smaller than the force between either object and the earth (so they both fall).
To understand this, it would be easiest to include newton's equation of universal gravitation (Einstein devised a more complete theory but it is simply too complicated for use here).
Now, according to Newton F = (G*(m1*m2))/d^2
where F is the gravitational force, G is a constant, m1 and m2 are the masses of the objects and d^2 is the distance between their centers. Because of this relationship, the earth (with its huge mass) exerts a much larger force on us than the balloon and paper do on each other. The d squared term also explains why we aren't pulled into the sun. Because the sun is so far away, it exerts a relatively small force on the earth (but there is still a force due to its large mass). I should explain that if the earth didn't orbit the sun and stopped for some reason, this force would suck us toward the sun. It is because of our relative motion that we can avoid such a fate.

3) Great, I already covered this in part 1!

Just for the record, the bible was meant to illustrate a point. The most important idea was to love your neighbour (something you people have clearly chosen to ignore!). It was never meant to be the collection of all human knowledge, the very idea that such a thing could be contained in a single book is preposterous!

So everybody thank Science for giving you this site because we all know you didn't pray the internet into existence.

I'd just like to finish with this:
It is not my duty to educate you, you should all pursue a broad education and open your minds to ideas that don't even conflict with your views (who's to say that God didn't spark the big bang?).
Surely, the worst sin of all is the waste of life. I know none of you will realise what you're doing but you are holding back the human race as a whole. If you would simply contribute to the field of rational thought then perhaps we could all live together in peace and something like heaven might ensue.
Please stop this nonsense, your views needn't conflict with mine. We should all just learn to love one another.
( <Surely this is a bit racist and counterproductive to the goal of having all people "Love they neighbour as thyself")

I do so hope that when you reach the end of life, you may actually look back at a life of achievements and a powerful contribution to society rather than a wasted life creating conflict and destroying the very peace the bible set out to spread.

Well, thanks for converting me!
I can probably consider myself an atheist now.
Oh yeah, did it ever occur to you that God and Alah are both preaching a very similar message (and Muslims even recognise Jesus as a prophet). Surely this is a sign that you are worshipping the same God and should just respect each other's form of worship.

Sorry for rambling, I am actually finished now.
If you got this far, I am genuinely impressed.
I expected far less from what I've read in this forum.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I am a frequent traveller. I can show you many photos of the curvature. Here is a link of one.

http://www.travelscholar.com/concorde/images/largephotos/20030501_ba002concorde_29.jpg

Being a good christian, I am sure you would show me where it has been disproven? Thankyou.

All I see is a flat horizon been blurred by the clouds.

Since I am a Good True Christian I will show you, look at this posting

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...postcount=3251

[Patrick Johansson]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

All your points have already been disproved. Please read the entire thread. I suspect you have never been in a plane since you cannot see any curvature of the earth.

I am a frequent traveller. I can show you many photos of the curvature. Here is a link of one.

http://www.travelscholar.com/concorde/images/largephotos/20030501_ba002concorde_29.jpg

Being a good christian, I am sure you would show me where it has been disproven? Thankyou.

[Lisa H]

Re: Thanks a bunch

Sorry for rambling, I am actually finished now.

You should be sorry for writing that load of drivel without reading the entire thread.

If you got this far, I am genuinely impressed.
I expected far less from what I've read in this forum.

You must be easily impressed. Do you find making ice blocks a miracle?

[Patrick Johansson]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Jumping out of a plane doesn't prove anything.

My point remains.

"1) Jump!
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move."
This theory doesn't hold water. By providing specific examples you mislead your readers.

Take this for an example. You are inside a moving train, say moving at 100mph. You jump inside that moving train. Where do you land? In exactly the same spot. Because the train is moving at 100mph, and so are all the objects inside the train, including you - that's common sense.

You are on the earth, moving at the same speed it is moving. You jump and move with it because when you jumped you were moving at the same speed.:

[PoloMarco]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT



That's a picture taken about 100,000 feet from the ground. I even added a straight line there. Is the world still flat to you? If it is, I think you need glasses.

See the whole film here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkoIBDXwd8

[Patrick Dawson]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I am a frequent traveller. I can show you many photos of the curvature. Here is a link of one.

http://www.travelscholar.com/concorde/images/largephotos/20030501_ba002concorde_29.jpg

I'm sorry Brother but that picture only shows how flat the Earth really is.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Jumping out of a plane doesn't prove anything.

So your picture out of plane windows proves everything, yet a picture of me jumping from proves nothing. If you jump out of a plane you see damn lot more than out of a poky little window.

My point remains.

"1) Jump!
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move."
This theory doesn't hold water. By providing specific examples you mislead your readers.

Take this for an example. You are inside a moving train, say moving at 100mph. You jump inside that moving train. Where do you land? In exactly the same spot. Because the train is moving at 100mph, and so are all the objects inside the train, including you - that's common sense.

You are on the earth, moving at the same speed it is moving. You jump and move with it because when you jumped you were moving at the same speed.:

If the earth was spinning of course you would land at different spot. How much more simpler can I say it.

[Youngskeptic]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

How does one explain the lack of an edge to the earth if it is indeed flat? And why would there be such long periods of only night or only day in the arctic circle? Or simply the concept of night and day in the first place, if the earth were not spinning and allowing light from the sun to be hitting different parts of the earth?

[Habadasher]

Re: Thanks a bunch

You should be sorry for writing that load of drivel without reading the entire thread.



You must be easily impressed. Do you find making ice blocks a miracle?

I don't intend to argue, your arrogance makes that a fruitless endeavor.

It is not fair to expect every poster to read 100+ pages of non-sensical "arguments" and "proofs" just to express their opinion on a topic.

I'm not particularly easily impressed, I'm just impressed that you actually bothered reading the entire post (assuming you did) when you never had any intention of listening to the points made. Do I find making ice blocks a miracle? How about no? Is that a relevant question? Again, no! Are you even thinking or just stringing random words together?
Sorry, that was a bit harsh but your comment simply made no sense!

This thread seems almost cute at first, like children trying to play scientist but it becomes greatly disheartening when you realise that people actually believe this to be adn accurate view of the world.
Reminds me of this site:

http://fakescience.tumblr.com/

except that it is meant as a joke.

Don't bother replying, I have nothing further to say and do not intend to ever return to this forum.
I hope I've gotten through to at least one of you. I don't ask you to change your beliefs, but just to open your minds to new ideas instead of hiding behind your bible for your whole life.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

That's a picture taken about 100,000 feet from the ground. I even added a straight line there. Is the world still flat to you? If it is, I think you need glasses.

That is not a picture of the real earth.

See the whole film here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkoIBDXwd8

You believe everything about space in films are true, You trekkie fans need to get a life.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Thanks a bunch

Don't bother replying, I have nothing further to say and do not intend to ever return to this forum.

Well, that's a relief. K thanx bye.

[PoloMarco]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

That is not a picture of the real earth.



You believe everything about space in films are true, You trekkie fans need to get a life.

That film was made by a little kid and his dad. If you actually watch the film you will see the recording all the way from the ground until it hits space.

Also, man can create INSTANT ICE!
WOW!
HOW IS THIS SORCERY?

It's easy really; get some sodium acetate and water and boil it up.
Watch the fireworks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIZmU-QESFg

Now I'm out of here, it's 1am.

[Patrick Johansson]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

So your picture out of plane windows proves everything, yet a picture of me jumping from proves nothing. If you jump out of a plane you see damn lot more than out of a poky little window.

That doesn't make sense. The first post in this thread concedes that the higher up the farther you see.

The altitude that you jump from is much lower than the altitude planes cruise at.

At the height the plane cruises at you can see the curvature of the earth.

If the earth was spinning of course you would land at different spot. How much more simpler can I say it.

Spinning is forward circular movement. If you roll a ball forward in one direction it is spinning. It is like moving your hand around in the air in a circle.

The train is moving around. When you jump in the train you don't move. When you jump on Earth you don't move. Both are moving.