[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

No, I was pointing out, as respectfully as I could - that you don't realize the meaning behind what you are writing. I fully agree with you on the point that God knows what he means, that doesn't mean we know what he means.

Whether or not God knew what He meant never came into question. You said you agreed that God meant what He said, and I said that can be found in the KJV1611. What conversation are you having?

I'm not claiming it absolutely must be a metaphor; I'm assuming that and asking you how you know it is not. If the bible is all that one needs, we need to know what it tries to tell us. I'm asking you how the bible helps you with interpreting itself concerning that particular quote.

The Bible is not meant to be interpreted. It is written by God, not some retard, so it doesn't require interpretation. It means exactly what it says and not else. Since a metaphor means something other than what it says, the Bible cannot be a metaphor. And you already agreed that God means exactly what He says in the Bible. So admit you are wrong, apologize to us and to Jesus, and all will be forgiven.

A metaphor doesn't change what something means since if that "something" is a metaphor it still means what it means. The dichotomy lies between that "something" being a metaphor or not. :3

A metaphor, by definition, means something other than what it says. If it means what it says then it is not a metaphor. Do you even know what a metaphor is? You seemed like you knew how to use the word before. Are you a monkey typing out language by coincidence?

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

If you pick up a Bible and read it you will find this

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You should not add to nor take away from the Word of God. Just do sa you are told. Its so simple that a child can do it.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Yet again, we have to rely on the book that is true... because it says it's true, and books never lie, especially those written by English priests. Oh wait, I thought we were all "one-toothed drunken Brits"?

[GOD=life]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I fully agree with you on the point that God knows what he means, that doesn't mean we know what he means.

As has been pointed out numerous times: that's why God gave us the KJV 1611 Bible and wrote it (or dictated, if you will) in a manner that's easy to understand.

The reason people "don't know" what God means is because people read one thing in the Bible but want another.

Still wondering what a huge religious debate has to do with the earth being flat... got a chip on your shoulder or something?

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You pray to Santa Claus? You are going straight to Hell!

No I play to God just like the rest of you. Only difference is that I'm not a blind that sheep that need some false, moneygrubbing "Rev" to hold me by the hand because I can't think for myself.

What gives you the right to analyze God? He said what he said we are to follow His word not analyze it. Are you from Scotland too?

You have no clue at all what he said was contradictory. You just inserted a random generic religious response without having any idea what the topic was. I'm gonna ask you once again James, because I really really want an answer to this, although I am sure you will ignore it like you do with everything you can't or don't want to answer. Why is it ok for you to call MosesTheRaven a girl, while it's not ok for him to do the same to you? Does the Bible not say "Do unto others..."?

[GOD=life]

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Yet again, we have to rely on the book that is true...

Sure, because as Christians, we haven't surrendered to God or accepted Jesus Christ as our Savior. We certainly don't do things like praying to God every single day

To you, the Bible may be a random book. To us, it's not.

Tell us, why are you on a Christian forum again? :rolleyes?

because it says it's true, and books never lie

Books cannot lie or not lie. It's the author who lies or doesn't lie. In the case of the Bible, God is not a liar. But thank you for your veiled insult to God.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

in the name of Santa Claus and all the little elves,

This is a foul sin. You should not swear oaths. Clean up your act, sinner.

James 5:12 (King James Version)

12But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

As has been pointed out numerous times: that's why God gave us the KJV 1611 Bible and wrote it (or dictated, if you will) in a manner that's easy to understand.

The reason people "don't know" what God means is because people read one thing in the Bible but want another.

Still wondering what a huge religious debate has to do with the earth being flat... got a chip on your shoulder or something?

Well, it WAS you guys who dragged us off into this debate. And then tried to ban me for it, but look, here I am, still posting. Might wanna fix that.

And how exactly did God dictate the KJV? The same way he dictated the original Bible to the Council of Nicaea? OH WAIT, he did no such thing. THe leading early Christians got together under Constantine and picked the contents of the Bible themselves, and wrote it themselves. Odd, that every Bible since has been derived from that one (including your KJV), and that one had bugger-all to do with God's word or dictation...

Tell us, why are you on a Christian forum again?

Well, I was hoping for some reasonable debate.

Oh, and if the mod who changed my name is around, I'm not Scottish, and very rarely drink, so you might want to fix that.

It's the author who lies or doesn't lie. In the case of the Bible, God is not a liar. But thank you for your veiled insult to God.

Ah, but God isn't the author of the Bible. Hey, I never insulted God. I just find the King James Bible, a translation of the Bible used to endorse oppression and used as a weapon of control, incredibly inaccurate. This is, of course, the translation used and endorsed by those who campaign for “traditional Christianity” such as yourselves. The “thee”s and the “thou”s today make it sound powerful, frightening, unknowable. It’s “proper”. Those who use ancient dialects to communicate the Gospel have only one intention: to make it inaccessible. In its inaccessibility, they take power. They are in control. Those who wrote the contents of the Bible, whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, did so to communicate. It has been updated, corrupted, fixed, re-imagined, mutated, mutilated, and restored countless times, each new generation in each country re-translating it into a form in which people can understand. Like a church that preaches in Latin, such as the Catholic Church you so viciously dismiss, those that use the KJV publicly (privately it’s generally to pretentiously boast the value of its poetry) have no desire for communication with those outside. But I digress.

[James Dewitt]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You have no clue at all what he said was contradictory. You just inserted a random generic religious response without having any idea what the topic was. I'm gonna ask you once again James, because I really really want an answer to this, although I am sure you will ignore it like you do with everything you can't or don't want to answer. Why is it ok for you to call MosesTheRaven a girl, while it's not ok for him to do the same to you? Does the Bible not say "Do unto others..."?

I will not repeat myself go back and read post 437!

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

This is a foul sin. You should not swear oaths. Clean up your act, sinner.

Erm... no it's not. Is saying "In the name of the law" a foul sin?

[Plepple]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You should not add to nor take away from the Word of God. Just do sa you are told. Its so simple that a child can do it.

You are unfortunately going one step too far, that's where I step in. I can't do as instructed until I can interpret the instructions. So again: where in the bible does it claim that particular quote is not a metaphor. Please note that I'm not writing: "should be seen as a metaphor", since that would require it to be something inherently different. :3

Whether or not God knew what He meant never came into question. You said you agreed that God meant what He said, and I said that can be found in the KJV1611. What conversation are you having?

The Bible is not meant to be interpreted. It is written by God, not some retard, so it doesn't require interpretation. It means exactly what it says and not else. Since a metaphor means something other than what it says, the Bible cannot be a metaphor. And you already agreed that God means exactly what He says in the Bible. So admit you are wrong, apologize to us and to Jesus, and all will be forgiven.

A metaphor, by definition, means something other than what it says. If it means what it says then it is not a metaphor. Do you even know what a metaphor is? You seemed like you knew how to use the word before. Are you a monkey typing out language by coincidence?

Yes, I know that never came into question, I've not written otherwise. If a really skilled artist makes a famous abstract painting; you'd be wrong to claim there's only one objective way to see what the painting is supposed to represent.

Now you're starting to get it I think! It is precisely because the bible was presumably written by God, a really complex and infinitely wise being, that we (mere humans) can't always expect to fully understand him. A retard won't have a complex and elaborate plan, will he?

One of the great logical fallacies you are thriving on is that you're missing the dichotomy. I'm not claiming that quote can be translated into a metaphor; I'm claiming it either is a metaphor or not. I proceeded to ask you how you knew what it was and you've just told me it is what it is. I'm therefore asking you again; what is it? Where does the bible prove your own assumption? :3

[James Dewitt]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

[QUOTE=MosesTheDrunkenScot;553246]

Well, it WAS you guys who dragged us off into this debate. And then tried to ban me for it, but look, here I am, still posting. Might wanna fix that

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Little girl if you keep flapping your gums and dont come around to the side of Jesus, you will be banned, and be sent to hell.

And how exactly did God dictate the KJV? The same way he dictated the original Bible to the Council of Nicaea? OH WAIT, he did no such thing. THe leading early Christians got together under Constantine and picked the contents of the Bible themselves, and wrote it themselves. Odd, that every Bible since has been derived from that one (including your KJV), and that one had bugger-all to do with God's word or dictation...

I was not there at the time so how should I know?

Well, I was hoping for some reasonable debate.

People in Hell hope for ice water, they wont get that either

Oh, and if the mod who changed my name is around, I'm not Scottish, and very rarely drink, so you might want to fix that.

What are you rambeling on about now? You said that you wore a kilt and your bestman was scottish. Is it that you rarely drink or is it that you rarley stop?

Ah, but God isn't the author of the Bible. Hey, I never insulted God. I just find the King James Bible, a translation of the Bible used to endorse oppression and used as a weapon of control, incredibly inaccurate. This is, of course, the translation used and endorsed by those who campaign for “traditional Christianity” such as yourselves. The “thee”s and the “thou”s today make it sound powerful, frightening, unknowable. It’s “proper”. Those who use ancient dialects to communicate the Gospel have only one intention: to make it inaccessible. In its inaccessibility, they take power. They are in control. Those who wrote the contents of the Bible, whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, did so to communicate. It has been updated, corrupted, fixed, re-imagined, mutated, mutilated, and restored countless times, each new generation in each country re-translating it into a form in which people can understand. Like a church that preaches in Latin, such as the Catholic Church you so viciously dismiss, those that use the KJV publicly (privately it’s generally to pretentiously boast the value of its poetry) have no desire for communication with those outside. But I digress.

tl;dr

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Yes, I know that never came into question, I've not written otherwise. If a really skilled artist makes a famous abstract painting; you'd be wrong to claim there's only one objective way to see what the painting is supposed to represent.

Do not compare God to some faggoty eurotrash. That is a disgusting comparison.

Now you're starting to get it I think! It is precisely because the bible was presumably written by God, a really complex and infinitely wise being, that we (mere humans) can't always expect to fully understand him. A retard won't have a complex and elaborate plan, will he?

A true genius would write simply so that his target audience would understand. You are so ignorant, you are hardly worth arguing with. Are you playing with yourself while you do this?

One of the great logical fallacies you are thriving on is that you're missing the dichotomy. I'm not claiming that quote can be translated into a metaphor; I'm claiming it either is a metaphor or not. I proceeded to ask you how you knew what it was and you've just told me it is what it is. I'm therefore asking you again; what is it? Where does the bible prove your own assumption? :3

It doesn't matter what you're saying. I'm telling you that it can't be a metaphor and mean what it says at the same time because a metaphor means something other than what it says. Since you agree that it means what it says, you must agree that it is not a metaphor.

[James Dewitt]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You are unfortunately going one step too far, that's where I step in. I can't do as instructed until I can interpret the instructions.

If you father tells you to take out the trash, do you interpert his instructions? When you see a stop sighn do you think, Gee I wonder what that means?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Erm... no it's not. Is saying "In the name of the law" a foul sin?

You are just a vain spouter of vile nonsense. Everything you say is tainted with vulgarity, because you defile yourself with demonic thoughts.

Edit: and yes, it is a foul sin.

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

What are you rambeling on about now? You said that you wore a kilt and your bestman was scottish. Is it that you rarely drink or is it that you rarley stop?

Learn to read, please. I said that I wore a kilt when I was acting as someone else's best man. And I rarely have more than 2 pints of beer when I do drink on an evening.

You are so ignorant, you are hardly worth arguing with. Are you playing with yourself while you do this?

So, you're resorting to ad hominem attacks rather than actually arguing your point now?