[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

by the way Lisa H it seemed that you couldnt find any definitions anywhere on what a trade route is,
so i took the liberty of finding it for you,
just because im such a helpful fellow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route

and if it is because you mean that you couldnt find any specific
trade route on the path that i mentioned, ill be more than happy to find that for you as well, but right now i have to run for a while but ill be back
later on

I cannot access wiki as it is the work of satan. Do you have a link to Conservapedia?

I still don't get your reasoning. A compass face is north, south east and west and a compass is flat, just like the earth. I can fly from New York to LA and that is not round, unless I get a round trip ticket but then I am still going from East to West and when I fly back, I am going West to East, again, in a straight line across, not around!



YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow.

[Sexual deviant]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Don't bother referencing trade routes that go over the end of the world, or that venture where there be sea monsters. We will know you're lying. If you want to prove that the Earth is round, you'll have to find it somehwere in the KJV 1611.

But can i then ask you instead where in the KJV 1611 where it says that God created the world flat???

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Biblical proof the Earth is flat.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV) (if it could be seen by the whole world at once then the Earth must be flat. Not to mention, the Earth has ends.)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV) (If Jesus could see all the kingdoms from one high place then the world must be flat.)

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

1. but then you should also know that the world is round and it is therefor quite possible to to travel from the usa to china by going both east AND west, that wouldnt be possible if the world was flat due to the fact that you would fall off it if you went west.

2. And by the way i am VERY sorry that i forgot a space between trade and route since it clearly confused you a great deal

3. and one more thing you dont have to be wiccan to look to the moon for the laws of physics, sailors have used the moon and stars for navigating the sea for centuries...

1. I know very well the earth is flat. If you read the previous posts you would have seen I have shown it many times.

2. Don't play the smarty pants with me. It's not my fault you typed the wrong word.

3. And who do you think made the moon and stars, God. You will see a reference in my signature on where to find it.

[Sexual deviant]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

1. I know very well the earth is flat. If you read the previous posts you would have seen I have shown it many times.

2. Don't play the smarty pants with me. It's not my fault you typed the wrong word.

3. And who do you think made the moon and stars, God. You will see a reference in my signature on where to find it.

well the part about looking onto the moon wasnt really drected at you,
but another post by mistress cookie that stated that you where not wiccans and therefor didnt look onto the moon for answers, again im sorry if you thought that was targeted at you and to you i must simply say that if you read the posts other people than me (from your own beliefs) have posted in this thread after i started commenting here you will see that one person says that it is possible to travel from the us to china by going west and another one says that it can be done by going east and with these facts that your own people has put here then how can the world be flat?

and oh yeah i didnt say that it was your fault that i miss spelled trade routes and i appologized to you for it, but really me being danish and you being from the states shouldnt you have been able to figure that one out on your own, i mean im writing in your own native tounge and not mine at it wasnt beacause i wrote twatewouts it was a simple space that was missing and nothing else.

and one more thing since i apparently have been given an infraction
for trying to seduce you i will appologize for that aswell since it was never my intention to make it seem so, when i spoke of broadening horizons i was merely speaking of knowledge and NOT sexual endowers,
so please forgive me for that misconseption...

Biblical proof the Earth is flat.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV) (if it could be seen by the whole world at once then the Earth must be flat. Not to mention, the Earth has ends.)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV) (If Jesus could see all the kingdoms from one high place then the world must be flat.)

and to you billy bob again questions keep appearing in my head when i read these verses and please dont take this as an insult as i am simply curious, but arent you drawing conclutions here, interpreting the words as you see fit? i mean wouldnt jesus, god and the likes be able to see the entire world at the same time even though it was round simply because of their divine persona and heritage?
again please dont be offended since as i have stated on many occations already im not trying to insult, flame, troll, bully or anything of the sorts im simply trying to understand and it might be a bit difficult to an unsaved trash sinner as myself.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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and to you billy bob again questions keep appearing in my head when i read these verses and please dont take this as an insult as i am simply curious, but arent you drawing conclutions here, interpreting the words as you see fit? i mean wouldnt jesus, god and the likes be able to see the entire world at the same time even though it was round simply because of their divine persona and heritage?

You ignore the fact that the Bible says the Earth has an end. And that it has four corners. Tell me, if the Earth was a sphere, where would its four corners be? And where would its end be? And in Daniel, it says that it could be seen all throughout the world due to its great height. This has nothing to do with God's omniscience. Don't play stupid with me, sexual deviant.

[Sexual deviant]

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You ignore the fact that the Bible says the Earth has an end. And that it has four corners. Tell me, if the Earth was a sphere, where would its four corners be? And where would its end be? And in Daniel, it says that it could be seen all throughout the world due to its great height. This has nothing to do with God's omniscience. Don't play stupid with me, sexual deviant.

well im really not playing stupid here im merely trying to educate myself and in doing so i need to ask questions, but to YOUR question,
i can only say that even today when the general population of the globe
has this idea that the world is a sphere (and i know you apparently dont think so) they still speak of the four corners and of the ends simply because of the wa a map is made, you know you flatten the globe out into a two dimensional map hence the map has corners and ends although the world is still round... but please let me ask another question again out of curiosity and possible enlightenment.
So asuming that you are correct and the world is flat how does the entire solar system work is the moon and other planets also flat discs floating about with the earth as everythings entire center, and how does the layers of heaven consist, not to mention how do they function?

again please dont take these questions as an insult but simply a mere sinner trying to understand Gods world.

[Nobar King]

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We only worship one God in this Church, boy.

• "I am The Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 KJV)

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

well the part about looking onto the moon wasnt really drected at you, but another post by mistress cookie that stated that you where not wiccans and therefor didnt look onto the moon for answers, again im sorry if you thought that was targeted at you and to you i must simply say that if you read the posts other people than me (from your own beliefs) have posted in this thread after i started commenting here you will see that one person says that it is possible to travel from the us to china by going west and another one says that it can be done by going east and with these facts that your own people has put here then how can the world be flat?

I read Mistress Cookie answer and she is correct, we do not follow wiccans and their beliefs. God created the universe. You later mentioned ancient sailors used the heavens for navigation, so they were not following God but using it for navigation. Perhaps you did not make yourself clear.

and oh yeah i didnt say that it was your fault that i miss spelled trade routes and i appologized to you for it, but really me being danish and you being from the states shouldnt you have been able to figure that one out on your own, i mean im writing in your own native tounge and not mine at it wasnt beacause i wrote twatewouts it was a simple space that was missing and nothing else.

Then why did you sarcasm icon in your apology. It implies you are not sorry at all. If you realized you made a spelling mistake, then why did you not correct the error earlier.

and one more thing since i apparently have been given an infraction
for trying to seduce you i will appologize for that aswell since it was never my intention to make it seem so, when i spoke of broadening horizons i was merely speaking of knowledge and NOT sexual endowers, so please forgive me for that misconseption...

I hope you pray to God for your errors. Perhaps you may need choose your words more wisely next time.

Also have you read the entire thread. Many of the questions you are asking have already been answered.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

well im really not playing stupid here im merely trying to educate myself and in doing so i need to ask questions, but to YOUR question,
i can only say that even today when the general population of the globe
has this idea that the world is a sphere (and i know you apparently dont think so) they still speak of the four corners and of the ends simply because of the wa a map is made, you know you flatten the globe out into a two dimensional map hence the map has corners and ends although the world is still round... but please let me ask another question again out of curiosity and possible enlightenment.
So asuming that you are correct and the world is flat how does the entire solar system work is the moon and other planets also flat discs floating about with the earth as everythings entire center, and how does the layers of heaven consist, not to mention how do they function?

again please dont take these questions as an insult but simply a mere sinner trying to understand Gods world.

None of what you are saying matters. God would not try to mislead His children by using metaphors when He could just say what He means. God's Word is to be interpreted literally, that is, not to be interpreted at all. God says exactly what He means and means exactly what He says. A metaphor is something that means something other than what it says. So God only uses metaphors when He explicitly says that He does, such as in the case of the parables of Jesus. And He explains those metaphors. God does not say misleading things about the Earth having an end if he does not mean that the Earth has an end. The Bible is a set of clear and intuitive instructions for how to get into Heaven. It is not a code.

The Bible does not explain exactly how the entire Solar System works, because that knowledge is not necessary to enter into Heaven. Focus first on what is necessary to get into Heaven. Then you can fantasize about other planets once your Salvation™ is secured. Don't put the cart before the horse. The Bible only explains important things. Not petty crap.

But the Bible does explain that the Sun and the Moon revolve around the Earth and not the other way around like false secular science teaches:

Joshua 10:12-13 (King James Version)

12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

It is good that you are assuming I am correct, as you have noted above. Because I am correct. It behooves you to go with what we True Christians™, and God, have to tell you. Your immortal soul hangs in the balance!

I understand that you are trying to learn. And I am trying to teach you. But as a student it is your job to meet me halfway. That means you have to read each of my posts with zeal and commit them to memory. You cannot just read part of it and think you understand what I am trying to say, and then start spewing ignorant nonsense all over our Godly message board.

[Sexual deviant]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

We only worship one God in this Church, boy.

• "I am The Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 KJV)

I have never said anything to the contrary of that...

Then why did you sarcasm icon in your apology. It implies you are not sorry at all. If you realized you made a spelling mistake, then why did you not correct the error earlier.

The sarcasm icon was because i was not sorry for what i said,
but for the way it apparently was percieved.

None of what you are saying matters. God would not try to mislead His children by using metaphors when He could just say what He means. God's Word is to be interpreted literally, that is, not to be interpreted at all. God says exactly what He means and means exactly what He says. A metaphor is something that means something other than what it says. So God only uses metaphors when He explicitly says that He does, such as in the case of the parables of Jesus. And He explains those metaphors. God does not say misleading things about the Earth having an end if he does not mean that the Earth has an end. The Bible is a set of clear and intuitive instructions for how to get into Heaven. It is not a code.

The Bible does not explain exactly how the entire Solar System works, because that knowledge is not necessary to enter into Heaven. Focus first on what is necessary to get into Heaven. Then you can fantasize about other planets once your Salvation™ is secured. Don't put the cart before the horse. The Bible only explains important things. Not petty crap.

But the Bible does explain that the Sun and the Moon revolve around the Earth and not the other way around like false secular science teaches:

Joshua 10:12-13 (King James Version)

12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

It is good that you are assuming I am correct, as you have noted above. Because I am correct. It behooves you to go with what we True Christians™, and God, have to tell you. Your immortal soul hangs in the balance!

I understand that you are trying to learn. And I am trying to teach you. But as a student it is your job to meet me halfway. That means you have to read each of my posts with zeal and commit them to memory. You cannot just read part of it and think you understand what I am trying to say, and then start spewing ignorant nonsense all over our Godly message board.

ok then for now i will give you the benefit of the doubt concerning the shape of the world and the how the sun and moon revolves around the world, but i then have another question about the metaphors (and yes i know very well what a metaphor is and i use them often) you say that
the only places where metaphors are used in the bible is by jesus and he ALWAYS explains their deeper meaning, but now when im sitting here reading matthew 18:12-13 where he tells of the stray sheep the shepherd
will bring back and rejoice more over than the ones that stayed,
when i read this it is not hard for me to understand what he means
without an explanation, but isnt this a metaphor? unless he is actually talking about sheepherding wich i highly doubt and if it is a metaphor where does he then explain the meaning of it?
i mean Jesus as i take it, did preach the word of god as his only son and all that, so his word should weigh just as much as Gods own, but i cant find the explanation to this anywhere in matthew other than the one i can think of myself...

[Meek and Humble]

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i mean Jesus as i take it, did preach the word of god as his only son and all that, so his word should weigh just as much as Gods own, but i cant find the explanation to this anywhere in matthew other than the one i can think of myself...

Oh my goodness, you certainly like to spit in God's face with your ridiculous attempts at disproving the Bible

You quote Matthew 18:12-13. WHY DON'T YOU READ THE VERSES DIRECTLY BEFORE AND AFTER IT!!!

Matthew 18:10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.



(In case you are wondering who the little ones are, read earlier in the chapter - Matthew 18:3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.)


And then after that -


Matthew 18:14Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.



So yes, Jesus does an adequate job of explaining this parable.

[Nobar King]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I have never said anything to the contrary of that...

I know you're pretty dense, so I tried to make this as simple as possible:

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

ok then for now i will give you the benefit of the doubt concerning the shape of the world and the how the sun and moon revolves around the world,

I'm glad you have accepted that you were wrong and I was right. That is the first step to Salvation™.

but i then have another question about the metaphors (and yes i know very well what a metaphor is and i use them often) you say that
the only places where metaphors are used in the bible is by jesus

I did not say that. I gave the parables of Christ as an example.

and he ALWAYS explains their deeper meaning, but now when im sitting here reading matthew 18:12-13 where he tells of the stray sheep the shepherd
will bring back and rejoice more over than the ones that stayed,
when i read this it is not hard for me to understand what he means
without an explanation, but isnt this a metaphor? unless he is actually talking about sheepherding wich i highly doubt and if it is a metaphor where does he then explain the meaning of it?
i mean Jesus as i take it, did preach the word of god as his only son and all that, so his word should weigh just as much as Gods own, but i cant find the explanation to this anywhere in matthew other than the one i can think of myself...

You are wrong again. That is not a metaphor. It is an analogy in which Jesus literally mentions sheep and shepherding. Jesus makes it very clear that he is using the literal example of sheep to illustrate how human beings are to be regarded.

[Sexual deviant]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

well people i will now refrain from asking any more questions in this thread as i keep getting infractions for debating and as it says in the infraction letters this is not a debate forum, so i will not do so unless someone accepts my request to do so, for really and again ive said this many times
i try not to insult with my questions i only seek to learn, and asking questions is the only way i know how to do that, except by reading ofcorse, but since you all say that its the wrong books i read i just guessed that asking the knowing would be the way to go (guess i was wrong on that one aswell)
so now i will keep the debating to the people that post in the thread
i posted myself in the introduction section where i hope it will be ok to
debate/ask questions about your faith and belief.

but for now i will wait and hope that i hear from pastor Bathfire
in there as he has hinted at me that he would be willing to do so.
so to all you others in here i will only hope that you havent been
to offended about what i wrote in here since it was never my intention.