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Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!
Thank you for your support. How do you tolerate this forum? You seem to be on the same page I am, and all I'm getting from others is grief. And to think it all started with a simple questioning of the so called 3 "proofs" of a flat earth. WOW!
As for the good messages of the bible, I can't say I know many, but just think of things like "love thy neighbor", and stuff like that. But yeah, I fail to see how people look to the bible for morals, when it is the most immoral book ever compiled! There's a guy I know who flat out says "without religion, you'd have no morals!". I just do the palm slap to my forehead and shake my head. Yeah, I guess as an atheist I don't have some morals...like the one that says slavery is OK, and you can beat your slave. Or the moral of killing people because they believe in a different god, or work on the Sabbath day, or commit adultery. Yeah, I have to admit I lack those morals.
Religion and having a strong faith have taken so many people to hate others to the point that they want them dead. But then there are those who are saved by religion and their faith, as they find guidance and support in it. I guess for me, as I've stated numerous times here, it's all about compassion, and loving others no matter what their beliefs are. Unlike the one rude person here who I just replied to, who thinks that I'm ignorant, boring, and dangerous, and calls me wrong and having ludicrous ideas, without even one specific point for me to address. He's religious, but apparently full of hate. WHOA, there's a bad combination! And he calls ME dangerous!
Funny thing is, an atheist has no need for hating anyone. We see the world just as it is, full of people with various beliefs, various sexual orientations, and so on. Even if a person offends me, why would I waste my time hating him? I would simply choose to avoid them. Life is too precious to waste on negative emotions.
I addressed your take on the agnostic/atheist words in my previous post to the grand insulter. In case you didn't read that post, I view the whole -ism thing (as in atheism and theism) as dealing with BELIEF, and the -nostic thing (as in agnostic and nostic) dealing with KNOWING. So yes, as I don't KNOW if there is a god or not, I am thus agnostic...not knowing. However, if I don't KNOW a god exists, it's natural to then not BELIEVE in him. I suppose one could believe in something they don't know about, as maybe they FEEL something exists, even though they don't KNOW, but that's a whole other venue.
It's scary when you get the people who are so deep in the religion and faith that they shut down all thinking. It's the bible's way or no way! They then quote the bible to prove their point, as if they are right solely because it's in the bible. They cannot accept that the bible might be wrong. They truly believe it's the word of god, and anyone who does not abide by it is evil. OK, well, if that's the world these people want to live in, I guess all I can do is step aside and say "good luck with that!". But it never ceases to amaze me when you get the ones who just cannot see it any other way. They truly see an atheist as an evil person, who is set out to destroy their faith. With that preconceived notion, they then feel a need to berate and squash the atheist, even though he may have simply stepped forward and questioned something put forth by the theist.
It's as if their faith is so fragile that they need to lash out at anyone who shakes their world. They cannot defend their position in a positive way, so they lunge forward with asinine statements in order to berate the atheist. So sad!
Any ways, peace!
Thank you for your support. How do you tolerate this forum? You seem to be on the same page I am, and all I'm getting from others is grief. And to think it all started with a simple questioning of the so called 3 "proofs" of a flat earth. WOW!
As for the good messages of the bible, I can't say I know many, but just think of things like "love thy neighbor", and stuff like that. But yeah, I fail to see how people look to the bible for morals, when it is the most immoral book ever compiled! There's a guy I know who flat out says "without religion, you'd have no morals!". I just do the palm slap to my forehead and shake my head. Yeah, I guess as an atheist I don't have some morals...like the one that says slavery is OK, and you can beat your slave. Or the moral of killing people because they believe in a different god, or work on the Sabbath day, or commit adultery. Yeah, I have to admit I lack those morals.
Religion and having a strong faith have taken so many people to hate others to the point that they want them dead. But then there are those who are saved by religion and their faith, as they find guidance and support in it. I guess for me, as I've stated numerous times here, it's all about compassion, and loving others no matter what their beliefs are. Unlike the one rude person here who I just replied to, who thinks that I'm ignorant, boring, and dangerous, and calls me wrong and having ludicrous ideas, without even one specific point for me to address. He's religious, but apparently full of hate. WHOA, there's a bad combination! And he calls ME dangerous!
Funny thing is, an atheist has no need for hating anyone. We see the world just as it is, full of people with various beliefs, various sexual orientations, and so on. Even if a person offends me, why would I waste my time hating him? I would simply choose to avoid them. Life is too precious to waste on negative emotions.
I addressed your take on the agnostic/atheist words in my previous post to the grand insulter. In case you didn't read that post, I view the whole -ism thing (as in atheism and theism) as dealing with BELIEF, and the -nostic thing (as in agnostic and nostic) dealing with KNOWING. So yes, as I don't KNOW if there is a god or not, I am thus agnostic...not knowing. However, if I don't KNOW a god exists, it's natural to then not BELIEVE in him. I suppose one could believe in something they don't know about, as maybe they FEEL something exists, even though they don't KNOW, but that's a whole other venue.
It's scary when you get the people who are so deep in the religion and faith that they shut down all thinking. It's the bible's way or no way! They then quote the bible to prove their point, as if they are right solely because it's in the bible. They cannot accept that the bible might be wrong. They truly believe it's the word of god, and anyone who does not abide by it is evil. OK, well, if that's the world these people want to live in, I guess all I can do is step aside and say "good luck with that!". But it never ceases to amaze me when you get the ones who just cannot see it any other way. They truly see an atheist as an evil person, who is set out to destroy their faith. With that preconceived notion, they then feel a need to berate and squash the atheist, even though he may have simply stepped forward and questioned something put forth by the theist.
It's as if their faith is so fragile that they need to lash out at anyone who shakes their world. They cannot defend their position in a positive way, so they lunge forward with asinine statements in order to berate the atheist. So sad!
Any ways, peace!
Originally posted by Dolores de Barriga
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Hello, Jeff, I see that you are a very passionate person. Let me address some of your concerns:
Yes, exactly, that's the point of every religion, not just Christianity: you have to surrender your ability to think logically, and instead you are required to wholly accept and blindly follow the doctrine of the religion of your choosing.
Which of the many messages of the Bible are you referring to? Are you thinking about misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, cruelty towards children, sexual abuse of minors, genocide of entire nations for not following the Word of God, or maybe oppression of people including but not limited to slavery? Because these seem to be the main messages that the Bible carries.
If it was not for agriculture there would be less population, no starvation, no diseases of civilization (from plagues to diabetes), and much less warfare and gender inequality. I suppose that's a subject for another rant, though.
Based on my ethnographic observations of the Landover community, they do not go to the doctors but rather pray away their sicknesses. Interestingly, their point of view seems to be more and more ingrained in the mainstream American culture, as more and more parents reject science and decide not to vaccinate their children, thus leaving their fate to God and not science.
That makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
If you ever create a religion based on this belief of yours, I'd like to study it - based on how my field study has been going so far, this lovely community will shun me as soon as they see the first draft of my dissertation, so I'll be in need of another religious community to study!
Yes, exactly, that's the point of every religion, not just Christianity: you have to surrender your ability to think logically, and instead you are required to wholly accept and blindly follow the doctrine of the religion of your choosing.
Which of the many messages of the Bible are you referring to? Are you thinking about misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, cruelty towards children, sexual abuse of minors, genocide of entire nations for not following the Word of God, or maybe oppression of people including but not limited to slavery? Because these seem to be the main messages that the Bible carries.
If it was not for agriculture there would be less population, no starvation, no diseases of civilization (from plagues to diabetes), and much less warfare and gender inequality. I suppose that's a subject for another rant, though.
Based on my ethnographic observations of the Landover community, they do not go to the doctors but rather pray away their sicknesses. Interestingly, their point of view seems to be more and more ingrained in the mainstream American culture, as more and more parents reject science and decide not to vaccinate their children, thus leaving their fate to God and not science.
That makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
If you ever create a religion based on this belief of yours, I'd like to study it - based on how my field study has been going so far, this lovely community will shun me as soon as they see the first draft of my dissertation, so I'll be in need of another religious community to study!
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