[A Follower]

Re: Gravity

Thank you so you do believe a measurable force pulls things down to Earth, you just call it intelligent pull and I call it gravity.

The difference between gravity and Intelligent Pulling is that gravity only works on certain objects and only in a vacuum, alter the circumstances and all of the formulas stop working. Gravity also claims to be affected only by weight, so it cannot account for the existence of birds, airplanes, butterflies and hot air balloons. According to gravity a bird and a rat of equal weight should fall at the same rate, but in reality a bird actually falls upward, impossible for gravity, but not impossible for God. The fact that gravity is so selective that it always makes rats fall and always lets birds fly means that it has to be controlled by an Intelligent Being. The Being also has to aware of everything on the world, He has to be all-knowing. Third He has to actually be able to move things up and down all over the world at the same time: omnipotency. There is only one being capable of all three: God.

[kobobrain]

Re: Gravity

kobeobrien,

Theories are just guesses. There have been several shown to be wrong. By the sounds of it, you care claiming everything sciency is THE TRUTH. You would be wrong. There is only ONE TRUTH and that is Jesus!

Theories are not guesses. Theories have been proven over and over. Kind of like I have said this over and over.

Just to make my point, there are several secular science theories which have shown to be wrong. Interestingly, Newton has a few there already.

Yes, I once had a theory that not all people were retards. Then I met you guys. Theory disproven!

Newton's corpuscular theory of light. -- FAIL NEWTON

I'm not going to pretend to know wth this is. But we understand light now (or at least the rest of the human population does, you guys probably believe God turns on a light switch every morning about 7:30).

Newton's Laws of Motion -- FAIL NEWTON

This one has been replaced by Einstein's theory of relativity (which is pretty much gravity of all things relatively).

You may think you are dealing with unread people here who are just blind to everything but Jesus. Well think again.

mkay

As to Newton and gravity,

Newton himself acknowledged the absurdity of gravity. He wrote in Principia Mathematica on this absurdity:

"That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one another, is to me so great an absurdity that, I believe, no man who has in philosophic matters a competent faculty of thinking could ever fall into it."


Think about that, Newtonian!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

He didn't know the cause of gravity. No one does. It's not like Newton was the end-all-be-all of everything, but he was right. Gravity exists. Sorry guys.

[kobobrain]

Re: Gravity

The difference between gravity and Intelligent Pulling is that gravity only works on certain objects and only in a vacuum, alter the circumstances and all of the formulas stop working. Gravity also claims to be affected only by weight, so it cannot account for the existence of birds, airplanes, butterflies and hot air balloons. According to gravity a bird and a rat of equal weight should fall at the same rate, but in reality a bird actually falls upward, impossible for gravity, but not impossible for God. The fact that gravity is so selective that it always makes rats fall and always lets birds fly means that it has to be controlled by an Intelligent Being. The Being also has to aware of everything on the world, He has to be all-knowing. Third He has to actually be able to move things up and down all over the world at the same time: omnipotency. There is only one being capable of all three: God.

Everything falls at the same rate, if you take away air resistance. Birds flap their wings, which fights gravity using thrust and lift. I already said this once, so Im now talking in circles, but oh well. Do this: get a hollow ball and a lead-filled ball of the same size with the same material on the outside. One weighs much more, right? But if you drop them at the same time from the same height, they hit the ground at the same time. This is because their air resistance is the same, so the slight effect it has on the speed of the balls falling is canceled out. And hence, two balls of different masses fall at the same rate. I'm daring you now, to go try this and tell me it doesn't work. I will find a video of it if I'm given permission to post links to videos. But I know you guys will somehow dispute the claim that the video is real anyway, so that's probably pointless.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Gravity

Everything falls at the same rate, if you take away air resistance. Birds flap their wings, which fights gravity using thrust and lift. I already said this once, so Im now talking in circles, but oh well. Do this: get a hollow ball and a lead-filled ball of the same size with the same material on the outside. One weighs much more, right? But if you drop them at the same time from the same height, they hit the ground at the same time. This is because their air resistance is the same, so the slight effect it has on the speed of the balls falling is canceled out. And hence, two balls of different masses fall at the same rate. I'm daring you now, to go try this and tell me it doesn't work. I will find a video of it if I'm given permission to post links to videos. But I know you guys will somehow dispute the claim that the video is real anyway, so that's probably pointless.

So you are saying that if I blow up a balloon with air and then fill up a balloon of the same size with water and drop them off my roof, they will hit the ground at the same time. Is that what you are saying?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Gravity

Mr Kobe,

Theory

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven.

As to Newton and gravity again.

Newtonism states that if you drop a ball from a height of 1.5m that it will take .553 seconds to hit the ground. If you drop it from the same height again from the same position again, Newtonism states that it will hit the same mark in .553 seconds again. If you do this a billion times, Newtonism states that it will hit the same mark in .553 seconds every single time.

This is statistically impossible to have such recurring precision. It would be like flipping a quarter a hundred billion times and having it come up heads every single time. The probability of the ball dropping from a height of 1.5m taking .553 seconds to hit the exact same location is roughly one in 2.04 x 10390.

That is absurdly impossible. IE: NEWTON GRAVITY THEORY -- FAIL

Newtonism also neglects mass.
To compound the absurdity, Newtonism states that objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass. What?! Obviously he didn't drop a bowling ball and a feather at the same time.

The idea that objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass is palpably absurd.

This is demonstrably false, and yet Newtonists like you remain blind to this overwhelming evidence.

As such his THEORY of gravity; the hows and why it works by this "theory", has just been DISPROVEN.

IE: NEWTON GRAVITY THEORY - FAIL.



YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Gravity

Everything falls at the same rate, if you take away air resistance. Birds flap their wings, which fights gravity using thrust and lift. I already said this once, so Im now talking in circles, but oh well. Do this: get a hollow ball and a lead-filled ball of the same size with the same material on the outside. One weighs much more, right? But if you drop them at the same time from the same height, they hit the ground at the same time. This is because their air resistance is the same, so the slight effect it has on the speed of the balls falling is canceled out. And hence, two balls of different masses fall at the same rate. I'm daring you now, to go try this and tell me it doesn't work. I will find a video of it if I'm given permission to post links to videos. But I know you guys will somehow dispute the claim that the video is real anyway, so that's probably pointless.

Okay, I tried your test (I'm always up for doing science experiments with the boys) we dropped a bowling ball and a balloon blown up to be the same size from the top of the kennels. Guess what, the bowling ball smashed into the ground and the balloon just lazed it's way down.

Why do none of the atheists' tests ever work? Then you'll tell me that I have to do it inside a vacuum, which you know I can't do because I don't have a vacuum big enough to do the test in.

Intelligent falling just states that God decides what falls at what rate.

Oh and if birds can fly just because they can flap their wings, why didn't these work?

[James Dewitt]

Re: Gravity

Then why does God not kill all the Jews or Osama Bin Laden?

God works in mysterious ways. JFK found that out the hard way.

[A Follower]

Re: Gravity

Everything falls at the same rate, if you take away air resistance. Birds flap their wings, which fights gravity using thrust and lift. I already said this once, so Im now talking in circles, but oh well. Do this: get a hollow ball and a lead-filled ball of the same size with the same material on the outside. One weighs much more, right? But if you drop them at the same time from the same height, they hit the ground at the same time. This is because their air resistance is the same, so the slight effect it has on the speed of the balls falling is canceled out. And hence, two balls of different masses fall at the same rate. I'm daring you now, to go try this and tell me it doesn't work. I will find a video of it if I'm given permission to post links to videos. But I know you guys will somehow dispute the claim that the video is real anyway, so that's probably pointless.

I bolded some of the problems in your theory. Why doesn't gravity exist when there is air resistance? Why doesn't gravity exist when a bird flaps its wings? Gravity is a severely limited theory which was obviously thought up by some dork scientist locked up in his ivory tower, never having seen the outside world. Anyone who has ever bothered to look at nature knows that different things fall at different speeds.

[kobobrain]

Re: Gravity

So you are saying that if I blow up a balloon with air and then fill up a balloon of the same size with water and drop them off my roof, they will hit the ground at the same time. Is that what you are saying?

No. A balloon allows air out. It has much air resistance. One filled with water does not have as much. This is not the idea.

[QUOTE}
Okay, I tried your test (I'm always up for doing science experiments with the boys) we dropped a bowling ball and a balloon blown up to be the same size from the top of the kennels. Guess what, the bowling ball smashed into the ground and the balloon just lazed it's way down.

Why do none of the atheists' tests ever work? Then you'll tell me that I have to do it inside a vacuum, which you know I can't do because I don't have a vacuum big enough to do the test in. [/QUOTE]

I clearly said they must be made of the same material on the outside (I guess I should have stated that they must also not be porous, but whatevs). Get a 60 pound weight and a 25 pound weight that are the same size. Drop them (preferably on your foot, or on another forum members' head) from the same height. A balloon has air resistance, when filled with air. That is why it will not work. Sorry for the confusion.

As to Newton and gravity again.

Newtonism states that if you drop a ball from a height of 1.5m that it will take .553 seconds to hit the ground. If you drop it from the same height again from the same position again, Newtonism states that it will hit the same mark in .553 seconds again. If you do this a billion times, Newtonism states that it will hit the same mark in .553 seconds every single time.

This is statistically impossible to have such recurring precision. It would be like flipping a quarter a hundred billion times and having it come up heads every single time. The probability of the ball dropping from a height of 1.5m taking .553 seconds to hit the exact same location is roughly one in 2.04 x 10390.

That is absurdly impossible. IE: NEWTON GRAVITY THEORY -- FAIL

Newtonism also neglects mass.
To compound the absurdity, Newtonism states that objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass. What?! Obviously he didn't drop a bowling ball and a feather at the same time.

The idea that objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass is palpably absurd.

This is demonstrably false, and yet Newtonists like you remain blind to this overwhelming evidence.

As such his THEORY of gravity; the hows and why it works by this "theory", has just been DISPROVEN.

IE: NEWTON GRAVITY THEORY - FAIL.

Air resistance. A feather has massive amounts of it. Mass does not factor into the equation. At all. If you dropped a silver dollar and gold dollar at the same time, they would hit the ground at the same time. Even though they are different weights.


Let's make it simple. Air resistance will change how fast something falls. Mass will not. Can we get that through our heads? It's like talking to mentally retarded, AIDS infested, cancerous, 2nd grade children.

[kobobrain]

Re: Gravity

I bolded some of the problems in your theory. Why doesn't gravity exist when there is air resistance? Why doesn't gravity exist when a bird flaps its wings? Gravity is a severely limited theory which was obviously thought up by some dork scientist locked up in his ivory tower, never having seen the outside world. Anyone who has ever bothered to look at nature knows that different things fall at different speeds.

Gravity still exists. A bird fights gravity using his wings. It has been proven (and revised by Einstein, who was a Jew, who you guys hate. I still dont get that btw, Jesus was a Jew correct?). It was not thought up. There are many things that affect the rate at which something falls. Gravity is the main one. Air resistance is the other main which acts against it. If you discount air resistance (and the other smaller factors), gravity is constant. Super Seriously.

[A Follower]

Re: Gravity

I have now tried your theory with all the restrictions you've put in place, even though the restrictions themselves proof that gravity is not a universal fact.

I have used two balloons made from the same material. One I have filled with helium, not air so there is no air resistance. The other I filled with water. I tied both balloons closed. Neither is porous. I performed the test by holding both balloons up against the ceiling and letting go. The balloon filled with water fell to the ground in less than a second, the helium balloon hasn't even fallen an inch yet.

Maybe you scientists should actually test your theories before you claim them to be true. And why not consider that your inability to explain gravity is proof in itself that you either don't understand it or even that it is not understandable at all, because it is all a big lie.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Gravity

Let's make it simple. Air resistance will change how fast something falls. Mass will not. Can we get that through our heads? It's like talking to mentally retarded, AIDS infested, cancerous, 2nd grade children.

And there it is Atheism at its best, when being shown just how wrong you are, start the name calling. Why do you hate Jesus?

I tried your test, I took a brick and a piece of paper and dropped them. Guess what the brick hit first. Both items are square and flat.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Gravity

Umm so wasn't Jesus also a Jew?

No. In fact Jesus was caucasian, not some Christ-killing hooknose!


Revelation 1:14 (King James Version) 14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;


Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

[Life99]

Re: Gravity

I have used two balloons made from the same material. One I have filled with helium, not air so there is no air resistance.

Where did you get the helium?

[kobobrain]

Re: Gravity

I have now tried your theory with all the restrictions you've put in place, even though the restrictions themselves proof that gravity is not a universal fact..

No. A balloon has air resistance, especially when filled with a gas. Which helium is. These are not restrictions, they just affect the outcome of the experiment. A balloon will probably affect the experiment no matter what you fill it with, as it will probably still have air in it.

And Billy Bob, how many people in the Middle East are born white? And if I convert to Judaism, does that not make me a Jew? Jesus had to be dark-skinned, and he was a Jew. He was from the Jerusalem area, right?