[Didymus Much]

Re: If evolution is real...

Actually i used the theory of natural selection. Well artificial selection in this case. So its not my theory...

And as it's not natural selection, it's not evolution.

...we are still apes...

No, we're not. We're not only a different species, we're a different genus.

...The claim that was made in this thread of getting a shark from a goldfish in a few days of breeding was so strange...

Their errors in understanding evolution do not make your errors in understanding evolution correct.

...I as just trying to show a form of evolution. Which by definition is just the way life diversified through natural selection...

Natural selection CANNOT be artificially applied, or it's NOT natural (and hence, any product of that selection process is NOT evidence of evolution).

... If he had kept breeding fish with the longest fins eventually, after thousands of years we would have a new variation of goldfish that cannot interbreed with the original goldfish. Diversification of goldfish.

Now you're claiming that people can live for thousands of years?

[walabulu4]

Re: If evolution is real...

If you want to argue about facts, don't label your own argument as a theory and then expect it to be accepted as fact.



It would still be a goldfish. Variation of a species by artificially applied pressures (as you would be doing in your selective breeding program) is not by natural selection, so is not evolution.

Actually i used the theory of natural selection. Well artificial selection in this case. So its not my theory. Of course it would still be a gold fish... just like we are still apes, the evolutionary tree is just compounding these small changes over a geological time scale. Yea i get it, its not really evolution. The claim that was made in this thread of getting a shark from a goldfish in a few days of breeding was so strange. I was just trying to show a form of evolution. Which by definition is just the way life diversified through natural selection. If he had kept breeding fish with the longest fins eventually, after thousands of years we would have a new variation of goldfish that cannot interbreed with the original goldfish. Diversification of goldfish.

[Jack Rankan]

Re: If evolution is real...

http://youtu.be/U0u3-2CGOMQ

Ray Comfort utterly and finally destroyed that Satanic idea of evilution.

[Didymus Much]

Re: If evolution is real...

...You would eventually, given you do this for a long time have, and i do mean very very long, theoretically...

If you want to argue about facts, don't label your own argument as a theory and then expect it to be accepted as fact.

...you should have a new type of fish ...

It would still be a goldfish. Variation of a species by artificially applied pressures (as you would be doing in your selective breeding program) is not by natural selection, so is not evolution.

[walabulu4]

Re: If evolution is real...

Then why are there no sharks in my goldfish bowel. I have been breeding goldfish for a few days now and absolutely nothing has evolved! Surely if that atheist theory mumbo jumbo was correct, instead of just being really confusing, something will have evolved by now!

Roight?

Cause if that did happen it would be a miracle of god. Although you could observe a tiny bit of evolution. Given the theory of punctuated equilibrium, natural selection basically only takes place when there is a lot of selective pressure. So if you were to artificially select only certain types of goldfish, for example only gold fish with fins over a certain length and breed them. You would eventually, given you do this for a long time have, and i do mean very very long, theoretically, you should have a new type of fish

Hope that cleared it up

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

I'm struggling to see your hateful words through the tears. Every morning is the same for me now, my laptop and moist tissues. Don't you understand? Sin was brought into the world through the actions of one man. You share that burden, that is why you are full of depravity. God sent himself down as man to temporarily die to take those sins away from you. All you have to do is open your heart, accept the sweet blood of Jesus and praise Him relentlessly for eternity. Is that much to ask?

Forget this evolution mumbo jumbo. Get down on your knees now and let Him enter you.

YIC

Jack

Also, yes. I do find it a bit much to ask that I worship, without doubt, an entity which may or may not be entirely real, for the rest of eternity. I find that to be an incredible amount to ask, actually.

Also, my mornings are the same. My laptop and most tissues. But I'm not crying (if you know what I mean)

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

Before I sleep I will leave you with one simple question.

Can the philosophical nothing not exist?

What are your thoughts?

YIC

Jack

Hmm. The wording of that question makes it confusing...
Well, let's see. I do suppose that "nothingness" can exist. For example, what do you feel while sleeping, if you do not dream? That is almost certainly the state of nothingness. If you mean by physical, I do also suppose that if there are other Universes, there could be one with absolutely nothing, but we aren't in one of those. There is stuff here. I almost certainly believe that nothingness can exist, but it simply is not present in the world we live in. It never has been, and never will.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: If evolution is real...

Your argument that the Universe and intelligence requires a creator is a circular one. If the Universe and Intelligence require a creator, why does God not? We can assume that he was always there, but the thought that matter was always there? HERESY!!

Before I sleep I will leave you with one simple question.

Can the philosophical nothing not exist?

What are your thoughts?

YIC

Jack

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

And could some body pretend to create a Universe? You don't think people would not notice?

God bless.

Your argument that the Universe and intelligence requires a creator is a circular one. If the Universe and Intelligence require a creator, why does God not? We can assume that he was always there, but the thought that matter was always there? HERESY!!

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: If evolution is real...

The problem is, I don think any of that happened. The Bible is not proof, because for all you know, a group of people could have pretended to be visited by God.

Answer this for me. What makes other religions such as Islam and Buddhism wrong, but yours right? Muslims also have "evidence" that they're right. Why are hey wrong?

And could some body pretend to create a Universe? You don't think people would not notice?

God bless.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: If evolution is real...

The problem is, I don think any of that happened. The Bible is not proof, because for all you know, a group of people could have pretended to be visited by God.

Answer this for me. What makes other religions such as Islam and Buddhism wrong, but yours right? Muslims also have "evidence" that they're right. Why are hey wrong?

I cannot speak to you further. I have used my last tissue. I must sleep now.


REPENT!

YIC

Jack

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

I'm struggling to see your hateful words through the tears. Every morning is the same for me now, my laptop and moist tissues. Don't you understand? Sin was brought into the world through the actions of one man. You share that burden, that is why you are full of depravity. God sent himself down as man to temporarily die to take those sins away from you. All you have to do is open your heart, accept the sweet blood of Jesus and praise Him relentlessly for eternity. Is that much to ask?

Forget this evolution mumbo jumbo. Get down on your knees now and let Him enter you.

YIC

Jack

The problem is, I don think any of that happened. The Bible is not proof, because for all you know, a group of people could have pretended to be visited by God.

Answer this for me. What makes other religions such as Islam and Buddhism wrong, but yours right? Muslims also have "evidence" that they're right. Why are hey wrong?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: If evolution is real...

Well I don't know if you how Evolution works, but essentially what happens if a group of say, squirrels, somehow gets trapped somewhere, eventually the trapped ones will not be able to have kids wih the original ones.

Also, I don't hate Jesus. I'm sure he was a great man. But he wasn't the son of a supreme being and never did any miracles.

I'm struggling to see your hateful words through the tears. Every morning is the same for me now, my laptop and moist tissues. Don't you understand? Sin was brought into the world through the actions of one man. You share that burden, that is why you are full of depravity. God sent himself down as man to temporarily die to take those sins away from you. All you have to do is open your heart, accept the sweet blood of Jesus and praise Him relentlessly for eternity. Is that much to ask?

Forget this evolution mumbo jumbo. Get down on your knees now and let Him enter you.

YIC

Jack

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

And people have been breeding goldfish for thousands of years. So why are there still goldfish? Why haven't they turned into something else?

Because they don't have to. Evolution only occurs if an organism is in danger of dying out, and needs to adapt to their current environment.

[alex.siegel]

Re: If evolution is real...

I believe the scientific definition of a species is when it cannot breed with another species. Do you have any examples of a creature that cannot breed with the previous generation? If not then creatures will always remain within their 'kind'.

I truly am weeping here. Why do you hate Jesus so much. After the blood that He shed for you?

YIC

Jack

Well I don't know if you how Evolution works, but essentially what happens if a group of say, squirrels, somehow gets trapped somewhere, eventually the trapped ones will not be able to have kids wih the original ones.

Also, I don't hate Jesus. I'm sure he was a great man. But he wasn't the son of a supreme being and never did any miracles.